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nickgwyn

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Sep 7, 2006
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64 bit

Glen Quagmire said:
XP Home supports one processor (with any number of cores).
XP Pro supports two processors (with any number of cores).

If you want to take advantage of both the CPUs in a Mac Pro, you need XP Pro. XP Home would suffice for any other, non-Woodcrest Mac (i.e. anything but the XServe).

I am not that knowledgeable about this, but a Small Dog sales rep told me that Windows has to emulate 32 bit (unless you use the 64 bit version which apparently doesn't have many drivers) so it is very slow. True?
 

Mundy

macrumors regular
Sep 8, 2006
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nickgwyn said:
I am not that knowledgeable about this, but a Small Dog sales rep told me that Windows has to emulate 32 bit (unless you use the 64 bit version which apparently doesn't have many drivers) so it is very slow. True?

You were told wrong. That sales rep doesn't know what he is talking about.
 

nickgwyn

macrumors member
Sep 7, 2006
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Mundy said:
You were told wrong. That sales rep doesn't know what he is talking about.
So what is the truth?
Should I run 64 bit Windows?
Will windows "SCREAM!"?
 

ammon

macrumors regular
Sep 24, 2005
231
40
Colorado
nickgwyn said:
So what is the truth?
Should I run 64 bit Windows?
Will windows "SCREAM!"?

No. Stick with the 32-bit version. Unless you are using Lightwave 3D 64-bit, or some other 64-bit software, WinXP64 is nothing but a pain in the butt!
 

Windshadow

macrumors newbie
Apr 14, 2005
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Jan perhaps it is because we live in Maine? ;)
Except for 2 gig of ram and the 500 gig hard drive my order is the same as yours (oh and Aperture preinstaled) and I ordered on the 7th while Steve was still on stage my order has been stuck at ship on the 12th delivered on the 12th since I hit the return key!
I understand the delay in shipping as we had to wait on the cards but I too am very upset at Apple at not dealing with our orders in the proper FIFO way! :mad:

oh well 3 more days with luch and when I called last week to complain about this they refunded the overnight shipping charge :) Interestingly the full shipping charge for the whole order was charged at the time they shipped the 30 in monitor which I got on the 8th of Aug! less than 24 hours from when I called them on the 7th to place the order! as I said they have refunded the whole $73 shipping charge which was nice of them ... but I would rather of let them keep it and had my computer last Wed like so many posting in this thread and others who ordered last weekend and had their MacPro in just 3 or 4 days!
Cheers
Randolph
PS: I am in the Mid Coast area of Maine where are you (and do you also wonder that Mass is getting yet another Apple store and we in Maine are yet to even show up on the future plans rumored stores list!)
:mad:
jansmith said:
I ordered on August 7th and am still waiting -- I live in the US (Maine) -- Canada on 3 sides!

Ordered:

3.00 GHz Quad Xeon
1GB 667 DDR2 FB DIMM ECC-2x512
ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB
250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s drive
16x SuperDrive DL
Apple Keyboard & Mighty Mse
iWorks '06
Mac OS X
Country Kit

I understand the initial delay due to the late video cards, but others with this configuration, both in US and Canada, have received theirs and had later order dates! Apple really should process these in order! :mad:
 

Cowinacape

macrumors regular
Jul 3, 2006
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Surrey B.C. Canada
Ok so we have narrowed it down to Apple apperantly having some form of grudge against teh western half of Canada, and Maine? Fine then, no more Lobsters, and Beer for Apple, so there take them apples! :D
 

arn

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Staff member
Apr 9, 2001
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bob5820 said:
True, but if your only reason to load Windows in the first place is to play games, does it really matter.

Why wouldn't you want the second processor to be used for games?

arn
 

Fedge

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Original poster
Aug 9, 2006
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arn said:
Why wouldn't you want the second processor to be used for games?

arn

It's not really that YOU don't want it, it's due to the fact that not too many games have been coded to take advantage of multi-core, multi-proc hardware. So, for most games, the difference between home and pro is moot, really. Hopefully developers start leveraging the powerful systems on the market.
 

Spaceman Spiff

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Oct 9, 2003
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Cowinacape said:
Ok so we have narrowed it down to Apple apperantly having some form of grudge against teh western half of Canada, and Maine? Fine then, no more Lobsters, and Beer for Apple, so there take them apples! :D

Western Canada seems alright, mine (x1900, BT/AP) arrived in Richmond, BC today. It's stuck there for 3 days to clear customs, and then it'll make the 20 minute trip to Vancouver.
 

Cowinacape

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Jul 3, 2006
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Surrey B.C. Canada
Xcat said:
Western Canada seems alright, mine (x1900, BT/AP) arrived in Richmond, BC today. It's stuck there for 3 days to clear customs, and then it'll make the 20 minute trip to Vancouver.

Oh so it's just a big hate on for Surrey is it :mad: When did you order yours, if you don't mind me asking?
 

arn

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Apr 9, 2001
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Fedge said:
It's not really that YOU don't want it, it's due to the fact that not too many games have been coded to take advantage of multi-core, multi-proc hardware. So, for most games, the difference between home and pro is moot, really. Hopefully developers start leveraging the powerful systems on the market.

yes, but now with dual core processors being so common, I expect most games will support it in the future.

arn
 

Spaceman Spiff

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Oct 9, 2003
243
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Cowinacape said:
Oh so it's just a big hate on for Surrey is it :mad: When did you order yours, if you don't mind me asking?

Well, it's not as if Surrey was ever terribly popular :D

Approximately 6 hours after the keynote on the 7th of August.
 

jansmith

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Aug 27, 2006
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Cheers
Randolph
PS: I am in the Mid Coast area of Maine where are you (and do you also wonder that Mass is getting yet another Apple store and we in Maine are yet to even show up on the future plans rumored stores list!)
:mad:

I agree that we should hold all lobster shipments to California until we get our MacPros! I'm in Topsham. I think Maine is ready for an Apple store - a well-stocked, custom configuration capable, Genius-loaded Apple store!:D
 

bob5820

macrumors 6502a
arn said:
Why wouldn't you want the second processor to be used for games?

arn
Software needs to be written to take andvantage of muliple processors. Most games are not written this way, so the 2nd, 3rd, 4th processor will sit idle. It is not such an issue when using aplications, as you can have multiple apps open and each using a processor. Its kind of hard to play a game and use other applications at the same time, at least for me. If your going buy a copy of XP by all means get Pro. But if you already have a copy of XP Home, and XP will be used just for games, then go ahead and use XP Home.
 

bob5820

macrumors 6502a
bob5820 said:
And on the tenth day of our ordeal a sacrifice was made to the gods; Woodcrest, Tiger, and FB-DIMM, that we might flee the lands of the evil Windows XP, before the date prophesied by the book of Apple online store. And though we have been delivered the righteousness and gloriousness of the 30" ACD, and though we have battled the peoples of Crucial for another 2 GB's of RAM, we are still forsaken.
.. Alas the gods were not appeased, and our ordeal continues.

So anyone know how to get sheep’s blood off of an AMD 64 (does run a little cooler know though).

I'll be dammed it actaully worked. My Mac Pro shipped yesterday.

I upgraded my shipping to overnight yesterday morning, before I knew it shipped, so hopefully I'll get the Pro on Monday.

Any one interested in a used and slightly bloody AMD64?

Edit: FedEx not showing any tracking info, which makes sense I doubt they pick up on Sunday. I probably won't see the Pro until Tuesday then.

Edit 2: No animals were actually harmed in the above sacrifice to the gods.
 

Trekkie

macrumors 6502a
Nov 13, 2002
920
29
Wake Forest, NC
nickgwyn said:
I am not that knowledgeable about this, but a Small Dog sales rep told me that Windows has to emulate 32 bit (unless you use the 64 bit version which apparently doesn't have many drivers) so it is very slow. True?

As others have said, no, quite the opposite actually. If you don't run the 64 bit windows you wont' notcie any difference especially if you have <4GB of RAM.

He must have been thinking of PowerpC based running Virtual PC, because then it was true.

But with EM64T that they did with the Intel processors all of the 8, 16, and 32 bit registers are still there on the chip. They just put more registers that were 64 bit. if you don't load a 64-bit OS they just sit there unusued and you use the old registers and are on your merry way
 

SavMan

macrumors newbie
Aug 2, 2006
5
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Shipped!

Last night the fine folks at Apple finally finished building my Mac Pro (stock + X1900, Airport/Bluetooth) and reported it shipped. Anybody from the Twin Cities (or any upper Midwestern state) in here with a Mac Pro? How many days did it take to get to you after it shipped (Standard shipping)? I've had my copies of Civ IV and Call of Duty 2 sitting on my desk torturing me for the past month, since I can't even come close to running them on my Quicksilver.

For the record, ordered online on 14 August 2006, 3:36PM.
 

studiox

macrumors regular
Aug 3, 2004
131
1
Stockholm / Sweden
Fedge said:
It's not really that YOU don't want it, it's due to the fact that not too many games have been coded to take advantage of multi-core, multi-proc hardware. So, for most games, the difference between home and pro is moot, really. Hopefully developers start leveraging the powerful systems on the market.

As you don't know what games he play/would like to play your comment doesn't make much sense..


1.) XP Home does not handle a MP system. It does Dual Core but not Multi Processor.
2.) Almost ALL games today are written in multi-thread-enviroment as it the most efficient way to write games. That means that the load WILL be distributed along multi-cpu/multi-core - giving a greater performance.
3.) Top games like HL2; Counter-Strike, FarCry etc.
4.) GFX drivers are 64 bit today giving you a quicker execution between the OS and the GFX card.

When my mac pro arrives I'll run Windows XP 64 bit as I'm doing today on my AMD64 3200+ - It works great and I haven't had any compatibility problems. Even Internet Explorer is 64 bit. Apple is actually behind on this point as they haven't transferred ANY of their APPS to 64 bit....
 

Trekkie

macrumors 6502a
Nov 13, 2002
920
29
Wake Forest, NC
studiox said:
When my mac pro arrives I'll run Windows XP 64 bit as I'm doing today on my AMD64 3200+ - It works great and I haven't had any compatibility problems. Even Internet Explorer is 64 bit. Apple is actually behind on this point as they haven't transferred ANY of their APPS to 64 bit....


Yes because we all want our apps to take up twice the memory with none of the benefit. :rolleyes:

Like a browser being 64-bit is important. :rolleyes:

Step away from the 64-bit koolaid. Not everything needs to be 64-bit. Itanium2 proved that. You don't need to double the size of your integer storage and floating point storage if you're still adding 1+1.

Sure video cards and games can benefit from it, as can other things, but not *everything* needs to be 64-bit.
 

Abulia

macrumors 68000
Jun 22, 2004
1,786
1
Kushiel's Scion
milozauckerman said:
The Accelero X2?

I'm wondering if there's anything that attaches to the PCI-E slot above (or below, whichever way they mount) the graphics slot and pulls hot air out the back.
Correct. I'll see what the temp results are before looking at an active venting solution. The Artic Cooling folks say it only increases internal temps by 1C.

(Not sure why this post disappeared earlier.)
 

opinpi

macrumors newbie
Sep 10, 2006
3
0
Still waiting....

Wow! The posters that ordered their MacPro w.x1900 after me are really making me jealous.

I ordered mine immediatly after the keynote on 7 August, and mine still has not shipped!! I only live 2 1/2 hours from the production facility in Fullerton. I called Apple to complain and all I got was "What do you want me to do, I can't speed up the production of your computer" blah blah blah. They wouldn't even upgrade the shipping for free like some have been able to do.

Oh well.....
 

storage

macrumors 6502
Jun 4, 2005
275
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My head is torn in many different pieces. Each of which wants to order a different computer.

One of the pieces wants to order a 2.66 GHz, X1900XT, 1GB, 160GB Mac Pro, but it's sooo much money! And I don't think I would ever use all of that processing power. But I would think that computer would last me quite a while so I won't have to upgrade any time soon. I chose a 160GB harddrive because for the money I save from downgrading from the 250GB I can buy another 250GB for the same price giving, me a total of 410GB :).

Arrgh, decisions!
 

kered22

macrumors 6502
May 26, 2006
354
1
Torrance, CA
opinpi said:
I ordered mine immediatly after the keynote on 7 August, and mine still has not shipped!! I only live 2 1/2 hours from the production facility in Fullerton.
Know the feeling, I'm in Torrance (30, 40 minutes from Fullerton if the traffic is bad) and ordered on August 19th. Best estimate I have right now is this Wednesday. Did they at least give you some estimate of the date?

storage said:
My head is torn in many different pieces. Each of which wants to order a different computer.
Just get what you need plus a little bit extra. :) It's difficult to predict just exactly what your future computing needs will be, so having a little bit of excess is usually a good thing.
 
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