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^ good point re no of blades

your trash can has the top spec GPUs? Mine (min spec) ran whisper quiet until I upgraded the CPU and SSD, since which time it’s become just audible. I mostly tax the CPU/ram
Thanks ref the blade count. It's critical to this sort of work.

As for the TC, nope the 6 core with D-500 and 1 TB SSD. It runs like mad with just a few browser tabs open when one is playing a video, etc. And yes, I uninstalled Flash and cleaned her out. 72F ambient, nothing blocking the intake either. I'll be glad when I get the new Studio setup done (I hope).
 
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^ I have similar hopes for the studio, but yeah this thread makes me nervous.
The good thing is we do get a 14 day return window. I know some people said it took a few weeks to start but it seems most people heard the problem quickly.

I also added on AppleCare+ for it anyway so in case it ends up happening, maybe that'll help me. It doesn't seem to be an issue for 100% of people, just some people. And we have to assume a large percentage of Studio owners aren't on this site or in this thread anyway. The people frequenting this thread are more likely to be those coming to mention a problem.
 
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Wanna bet? Read my post again. When I stated that resonant frequency can be dangerous, I said where vibration analysis is an engineering concern in certain settings, not specifically regarding the Studio. Example: Aircraft, helicopters in particular, most of which are also made of aluminum. See, e.g.:


Even so, if the root cause of the whine is somehow a potential fire hazard like some of Apple's batteries have proven to be, I still wouldn't be too cavalier about it until the issue is fully explained, and addressed if needed.

You're lucky it only sounds like a car. Get a Mac Pro "trash can." It not only looks like a jet engine, it frequently sounds like one. I've been in cockpits with engines running at full takeoff power and they made less noise than the one I'm currently typing this reply on sometimes does!
Certain frequency resonations have caused bridges to collapse as well. At least from watching the Discovery Channel I've learned this. :)
 
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If this is a power supply issue, which design do you think is suspect of making the noise? Checking into teardowns to see if one variant is used more often in Ultra's vs Max may help answer that question.
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I don't think anyone here is sure one way or the other. Just a lot of guessing going on.

Perhaps someone with the problem and who has the technical chips to do a tear down investigation with a sound meter. Granted, fabricating an extended power cable will be needed. Until then it's speculation. Until then, can someone spare some cheese to go with the whine?
 
Perhaps someone with the problem and who has the technical chips to do a tear down investigation with a sound meter.
If it's a airflow resonance thing, which is what I suspect, taking the machine apart invalidates pretty much everything because it changes the airflow. This will not be easy to do and no private individual would have the equipment to do it.

Until then, can someone spare some cheese to go with the whine?
Totally useless and offensive statement. If you don't hear the noise, congrats, not everyone is so lucky.
 
If someone can check an X-ray or other image of a teardown and count the exact number of blades on one of the fans (assuming they're identical), when I have time, I can pretty quickly derive some numbers that probably could provide evidence of the whine's potential association with the fan itself.
 
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If someone can check an X-ray or other image of a teardown and count the exact number of blades on one of the fans (assuming they're identical), when I have time, I can pretty quickly derive some numbers that probably could provide evidence of the whine's potential association with the fan itself.
There's actually an xray in google images, but it's not clear enough to count the blades. It's a centrifugal fan with a LOT of blades.

 
From the iFixit Teardown: I count 67
Thanks. If that blade count is correct, then I'm not sure what to make of it...yet. Just a quick rough calc says that would mean a 2.2 KHz. sound from a fan with 67 blades = 1970 RPM, which sounds too high. However, there is at least one video that shows the whine freq. increases with fan speed. Maybe I'll see what a rewatch of that yields.
 
Thanks. If that blade count is correct, then I'm not sure what to make of it...yet. Just a quick rough calc says that would mean a 2.2 KHz. sound from a fan with 67 blades = 1970 RPM, which sounds too high. However, there is at least one video that shows the whine freq. increases with fan speed. Maybe I'll see what a rewatch of that yields.
Don’t forget there are two fans, if it matters?
 
If it's a airflow resonance thing, which is what I suspect, taking the machine apart invalidates pretty much everything because it changes the airflow. This will not be easy to do and no private individual would have the equipment to do it.


Totally useless and offensive statement. If you don't hear the noise, congrats, not everyone is so lucky.
I note @handheldgames contributed constructively to one of the lines of ‘inquiry’ in this thread, rather than come here purely to poke fun at those with the problem. That being so, a little levity might be permitted yes? Certainly, in work situations where SNAFU reigns, a little joking has helped a lot IME!
 
Don’t forget there are two fans, if it matters?
If they are in sync, or nearly so, then no, not really, but that can cause another type of noise (a wow-wow warble), but not this "whine." If one is running measurably (significantly) different from the other, it would be seen as two peaks i/o one. With the right software, expertise, and techniques, unless the sync is perfect, even small differences can usually be discerned, as can just one of the fans failing completely, or almost anything in between.

After watching a few more videos, I am thinking that, aside from the "numbers" not matching those expected, the nature of the noise may not be the blades directly. For lack of a better term, it sounds more "electronic" in nature, or, it possibly could be a sort of "whistle" (that covering half the back trick is also intriguing). Not even close to sure yet, and I hope I don't find out when I finally unbox the new Studio in the next few days (again, hopefully).
 
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No. It's making fun of people that have the problem, and making fun of people is never okay.
I believe I see where you’re coming from; you mean the status game function of humor where it is used to belittle, bully and so on? I agree.

However, there’s another important function of humor, where it is used to express and enhance in-group identity; the cooperative rather than competitive side of human relations. Bedevilling this is that often it’s used to meet both functions: enhancing the in-group specifically at the cost of one or more out groups.

Unlike you I think the original comment was meant in an in-group building sense, but of course I can’t divine intent and then effect becomes paramount. It offended you (but not me) so there we are. Like much else in this time and place, somewhere in a grey zone.
 
If they are in sync, or nearly so, then no, not really, but that can cause another type of noise (a wow-wow warble), but not this "whine." If one is running measurably (significantly) different from the other, it would be seen as two peaks i/o one. …
I was thinking more in terms of the ‘beats’ being 180 degrees out of phase (worst case) and thus producing an additive or doubling rather than just a difference effect. However, I take your points. Good stuff.

I hope a solution is found for those of us (not me, yet) who have this problem soon. After all, Apple promotes the studio as having the ability to "fly through heavy workloads at screaming-fast speeds — and stay whisper quiet."!
 
I believe I see where you’re coming from; you mean the status game function of humor where it is used to belittle, bully and so on? I agree.
Mainly, yes, that's what I mean.

Unlike you I think the original comment was meant in an in-group building sense, but of course I can’t divine intent and then effect becomes paramount. It offended you (but not me) so there we are. Like much else in this time and place, somewhere in a grey zone.
I can't change how I feel about bullying and don't really see how it can possibly enhance in-group building, but whatever.

If it were even *slightly* funny, I might have given it a pass by not posting, but really I can't do anything more than that and it will always irk me.

I'm a disabled since birth guy and I'm going to be annoyed by anyone making fun of anyone. You get pummeled enough, you're going to be sensitive about it. Words can hurt way worse than most people realize -- until they're the one getting hurt, of course. I apologize to you for being overly sensitive, and I know I am, but not for my original remark.
 
I was thinking more in terms of the ‘beats’ being 180 degrees out of phase (worst case) and thus producing an additive or doubling rather than just a difference effect. However, I take your points. Good stuff.
Could be.

I hope a solution is found for those of us (not me, yet) who have this problem soon. After all, Apple promotes the studio as having the ability to "fly through heavy workloads at screaming-fast speeds — and stay whisper quiet."!
I've gotten used to mind, but it wasn't as bad as some. I read somewhere that Apple had done a lot of working to tune the airflow for it to be whisper silent, and that's where I think the problem is, something in that tuning that is introducing some kind of resonance on some of the Studio's if they are are out of spec. Hard to tell though, but I can definitely say mine is not whisper quiet!

I like the idea of tape over the exhaust grill in places, that might actually let is change the airflow enough to at least help the problem. It's going to take a lot of trial and error though.

It just doesn't sound like coil whine to me. I suppose it could be some kind of noise from the fan motor if it's slightly out of spec -- I have heard bigger electric motors do the same kind of thing.
 
If it's a airflow resonance thing, which is what I suspect, taking the machine apart invalidates pretty much everything because it changes the airflow. This will not be easy to do and no private individual would have the equipment to do it.


Totally useless and offensive statement. If you don't hear the noise, congrats, not everyone is so lucky.

Oh boy here we go again. That was meant as a 'PUN' on the whining noise that was potentially tagged as coming from the power supply. Not the posts from anyone at MR forums.

With that said...I'm 'disabled' with a lifelong autoimmune condition that turned my life upside down when I got COVID in Early March 2020. Since then, because my body is essentially trying to kill me, I've been on debilitating 'chemo' meds and prednisone to shut down my immune for a year and a half and as a result, my hearing has been compromised and I have constant multi-tonal tinnitus throughout my day.

When we still had tube based TV's, I could walk into any house that had a TV running and hear the high pitch WHINE coming from the high voltage flyback. These days, it follows me wherever I go and it NEVER STOPS. Do I hear something similar to the noise made by bad caps or components on a Radeon Fury Nano or a or x58 Gigabyte motherboard? No.

Long story short, if I throw out a PUN on an issue, while LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION... It's to lighten the atmosphere. Now... Where did I put the cheese?
 
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