macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread

TimothyR734 · Mar 30, 2019

Sedulous said:
Are results reproducible? That would be significant clue to solve this puzzle.

I can't quarentee this works on all unsupported mac's but it is working on my iMac 9,1 the last KP was 2pm there about been running smoothly since I applied the ambient light patch then reinstalled all the patches rom the patch updater

avz · Mar 30, 2019

The 10.14.4 is definitely more RAM hungry than 10.14.3(at least on my system). Just opening iTunes causes a memory pressure spike to yellow/red. It is ridiculous. I did everything I need and more on 10.14.3 with only 2GB RAM installed. I think I am going back.

0403979 · Mar 30, 2019

ford.tonthat said:
@0403979 do you need the Licensed version of Parallel Desktop? I can send you. Unlimited time to use.

I do because I’m always making changes. I used the trial for the original screenshots but now I’ve changed some of that process.

hvds · Mar 31, 2019

hvds said:
Installed 10.14.4 on my MBP5,2 this morning, resulting in frequent restarts as Thevivian and others have reported.
Assuming it is to do with graphics I changed the GPU mode after the last restart, to use the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT (in system settings/energy->higher performance).
No more restarts, but running only since 2hrs so far, so this could well be just luck. I thought I'd still post it as a hint. Many thanks dosdude1!

(MBP5,2 17", 10.14.4 on an external SSD with APFS, APFS ROM patch applied. Installed with patcher 1.3.0 over 10.14.3, then applying all proposed postinstall patches but APFS, then all proposed patch updater patches: Nightshift, Siri, iSight.)

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EDIT: after some 7hrs of smooth daily work with the 9600M GT GPU I switched back to 9400M to see what happens. Switching requires only logout/login to take effekt. I did not observe kernel panics within 15min after switching. I then rebooted and soon got several KPs (about 10min mtbf).
Now again using the 9600M GT, smooth running so far even after rebooting.
EDIT2: after a while of running with the 9600M GT, I switched to 9400M with logout/login, without rebooting. Still no KPs after 30min... and 11hrs.
The KPs seem to occur only when in 9400M mode while and after booting.

My MBP5,2 boots and runs fine with 10.14.4 now. The only change I did was switching it to the 9600M GT GPU.
I wonder if other owners of MBP5,2 confirm this.

Jonathan50 · Mar 31, 2019

Small victories. Used another, also unsupported mac to prepare the ssd. Many thanks to the people who have been contributing.

jackluke · Mar 31, 2019

TimothyR734 said:
For those who have mid 2009 iMac's with Nvidia 9400 gnu if you have a hard time installing 10.14.4 go to the High Sierra for unsupported Macs download the High Sierra patcher then macOS High Sierra then create a usb patcher when you install macOS Mojave 10.14.4 apply the post install patches force cache reboot but remove your Mojave Patcher then boot into the High Sierra patch er install only the backlight patch reboot apple the patcher updates then when you get back on your desktop open your High Sierra patcher then click on applications then utilities then macOS post install install only the ambient light patch, reboot after reinstall all patches from the patch updater I have had no KP been up a running for 5 hours even ran the aerial screensaver no issues

It makes sense, since Mojave patches are essentially from HighSierra and prelinkedkernel rebuild is done targeting Mojave kernel and extensions, so that should work for many.
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avz said:
The 10.14.4 is definitely more RAM hungry than 10.14.3(at least on my system). Just opening iTunes causes a memory pressure spike to yellow/red. It is ridiculous. I did everything I need and more on 10.14.3 with only 2GB RAM installed. I think I am going back.

I guess it's an expected condition, more advanced system version requires a bit more RAM.

ford.tonthat · Mar 31, 2019

0403979 said:
I do because I’m always making changes. I used the trial for the original screenshots but now I’ve changed some of that process.

Ok I will send you right away when i am home from school.

avz · Mar 31, 2019

jackluke said:
It makes sense, since Mojave patches are essentially from HighSierra and prelinkedkernel rebuild is done targeting Mojave kernel and extensions, so that should work for many.
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I guess it's an expected condition, more advanced system version requires a bit more RAM.

I don't know what to think. Supported MBP9,2 does not seem to use any more RAM on 10.14.4. MB5,1 seems to run pretty good as well on 10.14.4 but I am not sure if I should be concerned that the systems starts swapping to the drive from the get-go when even nothing launched. I guess 100-200 Mb is not a huge swap but I believe it is strange when it occurs even with very light usage. Maybe I am just OCD about it. I do have 8GB of RAM lying around for my MB5,1 anyway.

P.S. I noticed that Apple News is missing from my MBP9,2, I don't remember deleting it and it seems that Apple would not let you delete it. I removed it from dock once but now it is absent from the Applications as well. Very strange.

jackluke · Mar 31, 2019

avz said:
I don't know what to think. Supported MBP9,2 does not seem to use any more RAM on 10.14.4. MB5,1 seems to run pretty good as well on 10.14.4 but I am not sure if I should be concerned that the systems starts swapping to the drive from the get-go when even nothing launched. I guess 100-200 Mb is not a huge swap but I believe it is strange when it occurs even with very light usage. Maybe I am just OCD about it. I do have 8GB of RAM lying around for my MB5,1 anyway.

P.S. I noticed that Apple News is missing from my MBP9,2, I don't remember deleting it and it seems that Apple would not let you delete it. I removed it from dock once but now it is absent from the Applications as well. Very strange.

No doubt there are some 10.14.4 issues/incompatibility with our unsupported mac, so I agree with 10.14.3 choice, about Apple News seems in some countries has been deactivated, try from Terminal and check if maybe it's flagged as hidden:

cd /Applications/
ls -a
ls -al

Hughmac · Mar 31, 2019

hvds said:
My MBP5,2 boots and runs fine with 10.14.4 now. The only change I did was switching it to the 9600M GT GPU.
I wonder if other owners of MBP5,2 confirm this.

How much does this affect battery life, as I could do this on my MacBookPro5,1?

Cheers

Hugh

avz · Mar 31, 2019

jackluke said:
No doubt there are some 10.14.4 issues/incompatibility with our unsupported mac, so I agree with 10.14.3 choice, about Apple News seems in some countries has been deactivated, try from Terminal and check if maybe it's flagged as hidden:

cd /Applications/
ls -a
ls -al

100% Correct.

jackluke · Mar 31, 2019

This is really weird, in debugging, about my to test to attempt bring back Acceleration to 10.14.5 beta1 for Nvidia Tesla I checked the kexts dependencies, regular for GeForceTesla.kext but on its GLDriver I obtained AMDRadeon* dependancies, a weird result?!:

Code:

sw_vers
ProductName:    Mac OS X
ProductVersion:    10.14.5
BuildVersion:    18F96h

Code:

cd /S*/L*/E*/

kextlibs GeForceTesla.kext

For all architectures:
    com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily = 530.62
    com.apple.iokit.IONDRVSupport = 530.51
    com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily = 2.9
    com.apple.kpi.bsd = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.iokit = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.libkern = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.mach = 18.6
    com.apple.nvidia.classic.NVDAResmanTesla = 10.0.4
    com.apple.nvidia.driver.NVDAResman = 12.0

For x86_64:
    5 symbols not found in any library kext.
    Multiple symbols found among 1 libraries:
    com.apple.nvidia.driver.NVDAResman

Code:

kextlibs GeForceTeslaGLDriver.bundle

GeForceTeslaGLDriver.bundle not of type 'kext'.

sudo mv GeForceTeslaGLDriver.bundle GeForceTeslaGLDriver.kext

kextlibs GeForceTeslaGLDriver.kext

For x86_64:
    com.apple.driver.AppleACPIPlatform = 6.1
    com.apple.driver.AppleEffaceableStorage = 1.0
    com.apple.driver.DspFuncLib = 281.52
    com.apple.kec.Libm = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4000HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4030HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4050HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4070HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4100HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4200HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4300HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4400HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX4700HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX5000HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX5100HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX5400HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX5700HWLibs = 1.0
    com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib = 528.0
    com.apple.kpi.libkern = 18.6

    258 symbols not found in any library kext.

    Multiple symbols found among 4 libraries:
    com.apple.driver.DspFuncLib
    com.apple.kec.Libm
    com.apple.kext.AMDRadeonX5000HWLibs
    com.apple.kext.OSvKernDSPLib

For i386:
    No libraries found.
    308 symbols not found in any library kext.


sudo mv GeForceTeslaGLDriver.kext GeForceTeslaGLDriver.bundle

0403979 · Mar 31, 2019

ford.tonthat said:
Ok I will send you right away when i am home from school.

Thank you so much. This tool will prove useful to me.

jackluke · Mar 31, 2019

This "part2 debugging for 10.14.5 beta1" is about GPUWrangler.framework and AppleGraphicsControl dependency, I noticed "IOGraphicsFamily.kext" maybe could be required to bring OpenGL Acceleration but it's also get omitted from prelinked if used the HighSierra version, also playing with AppleGraphicsControl kexts is unpleasant.

Code:

cd /System/Library/Extensions/AppleGraphicsControl.kext/Contents/PlugIns

kextlibs AppleGPUWrangler.kext

For all architectures:
    com.apple.AppleGraphicsDeviceControl = 3.40.12
    com.apple.iokit.IOGraphicsFamily = 530.62
    com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily = 2.9
    com.apple.kpi.bsd = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.iokit = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.libkern = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.mach = 18.6

For x86_64:
    1 symbol not found in any library kext.


kextlibs AppleGraphicsDeviceControl.kext

For all architectures:
    com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily = 2.9
    com.apple.kpi.bsd = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.iokit = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.libkern = 18.6
    com.apple.kpi.mach = 18.6

This part is interesting (you need Xcode Dev Tools to use otool):

Code:

cd /S*/L*/Private*

otool -L GPUWrangler.framework/V*/A/GPUWrangler

GPUWrangler.framework/Versions/A/GPUWrangler:
    /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/GPUWrangler.framework/Versions/A/GPUWrangler (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 0.0.0)
    /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreFoundation.framework/Versions/A/CoreFoundation (compatibility version 150.0.0, current version 1561.0.0)
    /System/Library/Frameworks/IOKit.framework/Versions/A/IOKit (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 275.0.0)
    /usr/lib/libc++.1.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 400.9.4)
    /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1252.200.5)

edit: Tested replaced CoreFoundation and IOKit from 10.14.3 , system reaches loginUI but still no OpenGL acceleration, so it's not there the issue.

krzysku · Mar 31, 2019

Hi,

Cannot upgrade Mojave 10.14.3 to 10.14.4 on MacBook Pro 17" Early 2011 (MacBookPro8,3). Successfully created installer on USB pendrive with macOS Mojave Patcher 1.3.0. I'm trying to upgrade Mojave on SSD running APFS. Installer starts, but installation is not going further.

It looks like that:

What should I do now?
@dosdude1, do you have any ideas?

Larsvonhier · Mar 31, 2019

hvds said:
My MBP5,2 boots and runs fine with 10.14.4 now. The only change I did was switching it to the 9600M GT GPU.
I wonder if other owners of MBP5,2 confirm this.

Same here on my MBP5,2 17”
Thought my weaker GPU came to its end of life but it seems to be driver-related instead!

ford.tonthat · Mar 31, 2019

jackluke said:
No doubt there are some 10.14.4 issues/incompatibility with our unsupported mac, so I agree with 10.14.3 choice, about Apple News seems in some countries has been deactivated, try from Terminal and check if maybe it's flagged as hidden:

cd /Applications/
ls -a
ls -al

I also experienced heavy RAM usage in MB5,1 (10.14.4).
For Apple News, may be you can try Shift+ Command + . and look again in your Application folder.

saudor · Mar 31, 2019

pkouame said:
Thanks and thanks for the added info. Your findings point to changes in other 10.14.5 frameworks that affect gpu acceleration.

EDIT: On my MacBook Pro 5.3 , I just jumped from 10.14.2 to 10.14.4 after software update and latest post-install with no problems. Video acceleration (without 10.14.3 retro patches) is working just fine too. So I concur. I'll download the .5 DP to start scanning for other changes between 4 and 5.

I didnt even realize we had to do the retro patches separately. I just updated on my 2010 MBP 6,2. Did the usual 1.3.0 patch and everything worked (thought those patches were already baked into the 1.3.0 patcher)

avz · Mar 31, 2019

ford.tonthat said:
I also experienced heavy RAM usage in MB5,1 (10.14.4).
For Apple News, may be you can try Shift+ Command + . and look again in your Application folder.

Do you see a swap to the drive with light usage on your MB5,1(I know that you recently installed 8GB of RAM)? Or what it takes for your system to start swaping to a drive?

jackluke · Mar 31, 2019

Well to those interested about "bring back OpenGL on 10.14.5 beta1" testing MacBook7,1 here is one bit more observation:

I've compared the outputs "line by line" of the kexts dependancies between HighSierra (supported) and Mojave (unsupported), you'd be surprised that they are exactly the same, almost identical, and that's not over, even comparing the verbose boot lines when NvidiaTesla are loaded (they are typically the latest before reaching the IOconsoleusers loginwindow UI) there are no differences.

You can notice the transition from stage2 apple logo loading bar from a cold grey to a warm-yellowished grey (or from grey to dark boot with white apple logo) followed by very smooth fadeout/fadein and lastly resulting no OpenGL acceleration.

Hence (they are no my conspiracy theories) looks like apple have voluntary disabled its OpenGL rendering GUI (maybe Metal-izing it) on our unsupported mac.

ford.tonthat · Mar 31, 2019

avz said:
Do you see a swap to the drive with light usage on your MB5,1(I know that you recently installed 8GB of RAM)? Or what it takes for your system to start swaping to a drive?

Well, what I know from CLEANMYMAC menu is my RAM is 98% use even i am not opening any program. Even open a Finder window takes times. In Activity Monitor, Swap used = 3GB.

avz · Mar 31, 2019

ford.tonthat said:
Well, what I know from CLEANMYMAC menu is my RAM is 98% use even i am not opening any program. Even open a Finder window takes times. In Activity Monitor, Swap used = 3GB.

Wow! And here I am sitting and complaining about my 200MB swap. Makes me look like a cry baby.
I would be concerned if I were you, as it does not look normal especially with no apps running.

souljah · Mar 31, 2019

Hi folks, having bit of a trouble giving my "not so ancient old" iMac 27" mid 2011 a new shine with Mojave. I had the High Sierra and followed the instructions here. Installed it on Usb via Mojave patch program from here and not sure if the installation bar with restart and Opt+Cmd+R got all the way through but always ends with a iMac shut down and when turned on i get either prohibitory sign or via internet recovery somekond of "applesupport -2003f "

What else can i try?

K two · Mar 31, 2019

souljah said:
Hi folks, having bit of a trouble giving my "not so ancient old" iMac 27" mid 2011 a new shine with Mojave. I had the High Sierra and followed the instructions here. Installed it on Usb via Mojave patch program from here and not sure if the installation bar with restart and Opt+Cmd+R got all the way through but always ends with a iMac shut down and when turned on i get either prohibitory sign or via internet recovery somekond of "applesupport -2003f "

What else can i try?

Did you reboot from the USB installer and apply the post-install patches per your machine?

antony34 · Mar 31, 2019

can anyone upload Flurry screen saver to me? seems it was crashed after upgrade to 10.14.4.
thank you!!

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