macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

[Dilli]

… Or just disable Recent Applications in the Stage Manager settings: the miniatures on the left side will now hide, and show up only when the cursor is on the left edge of the screen.

In my case I think there is a bug when I activate Hot Corners Stage manager crashes. Also with my machine specs Stage Manager doesnot work. It was listed by the developers of OCLP too. So I have switched it off. Cheers

 

[PropClear]

I actually have a USB 3 card with an unused internal connector. But this would not work during boot, would it?

When i need (for rescue) an ALT boot i've to plugin a keyboard to USB1,1 ports - when in OCLP boot menu my solution via USB3.0 works perfect, if i get you right.

 

[358]

hi guys,

I installed OCLP 0.6.1 and Ventura 13.2 on 2011 27' iMac

everything works well after post install patch including the wifi however the wifi menu is completely missing....

Let me clarify the wifi is connected and the hardware is recognized just no menu and therefore no ability to add networks.

I am looking to have the GUI menu to display networks and have the on/off switch

Any suggestions?

 

[iMac-Oldschool]

Found this by searching for: macOS join network from command line:

To List all available WIFI networks, Run:

/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Apple80211.framework/Versions/Current/Resources/airport -s

Now to connect to any of these available networks. Run:

networksetup -setairportnetwork en1 <SSID_OF_NETWORK> <PASSWORD>

If the network does not have a password, change the parameter to en0.

 

[Dilli]

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[358]

Found this by searching for: macOS join network from command line:

To List all available WIFI networks, Run:


Now to connect to any of these available networks. Run:


If the network does not have a password, change the parameter to en0.

hi there,

I was hoping for a GUI solution to get the functionality working not a workaround to connect a new device, any suggestions?

 

[steverae]

Hey folks

Any update on getting the post fixed to work correctly on the iMac 10,1 ?

I know this is old, 2009 dual core 21.5” first of the new style.

Currently works up to installing post updates, any update would be superb.

 

[davidlv]

Hey folks

Any update on getting the post fixed to work correctly on the iMac 10,1 ?

I know this is old, 2009 dual core 21.5” first of the new style.

Currently works up to installing post updates, any update would be superb.

On my iMac late 2014 model 15,1, the OCLP versions prior to the latest 0.6.2 nightly were somewhat iffy, often not completing the root patches. The latest version, since Feb. 8 2023, works every time. Give it a try. If you don't have the nightly site bookmarked, do a search on this thread for "OCLP nightly" or see post #3,381 on page 136.

 

[davidlv]

hi guys,

I installed OCLP 0.6.1 and Ventura 13.2 on 2011 27' iMac

everything works well after post install patch including the wifi however the wifi menu is completely missing....

Let me clarify the wifi is connected and the hardware is recognized just no menu and therefore no ability to add networks.

I am looking to have the GUI menu to display networks and have the on/off switch

Any suggestions?

While you said "everything works well after post install patch", if you don't see the WiFi menu, the patches were not fully implemented. Try a later version of OCLP.

 

[Lgga74]

No issues on open core legacy and 9.2 everything works like a champ no lags or missing menus or anything weird

 

[Mooow]

Everything seems to be working great so far on my 2016 MacBook Pro EXCEPT for not getting video from the other person during FaceTime video calls.

I also have a 2016 MBP. Can you play / write HEVC/H.265 videos? The current OpenPatch has problems with this codec

 

[pwillis]

This thread will be dedicated to the discussion of running macOS 13.0 on Unsupported Macs

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Welcome to the new macOS Ventura on Unsupported Macs thread! We're eagerly awaiting for all our community developers and enthusiasts to test out the new version of macOS. Please play it by ear and only experiment with the new OS if you really know what you're doing.

We will be expanding this thread with much more information as the day goes by including known issues as well as patcher support.

macOS Ventura Compatibility

Spoiler: Intel Macs Officially Compatible With macOS Ventura

• MacBook Air (2018 and Later)
  • MacBookAir8,x
  • MacBookAir9,x
• MacBook Pro (2017 and Later)
  • MacBookPro14,x
  • MacBookPro15,x
  • MacBookPro16,x
• MacBook (2017 and Later)
  • MacBook10,1
• Mac Mini (2018 and Later)
  • MacMini8,1
• iMac (2017 and Later)
  • iMac18,x
  • iMac19,x
  • iMac20,x
• iMac Pro (2017 and Later)
  • iMacPro1,1
• Mac Pro (2019)
  • MacPro7,1

* Note: List does not include Apple Silicon Macs

Spoiler: Macs officially compatible with Monterey but have been dropped from official support in Ventura

Not officially supported in macOS Ventura, but most likely fully capable of running it

• 2015/17 MacBook Air
  • MacBookAir7,x
• 2015/16 MacBook Pro
  • MacBookPro11,4-5
  • MacBookPro12,1
  • MacBookPro13,x
• 2016 MacBook
  • MacBook9,1
• 2014 Mac Mini
  • Macmini7,1
• 2015 iMac
  • iMac16,x
  • iMac17,1
• 2013 Mac Pro
  • MacPro6,1

Spoiler: Current issues with Ventura on legacy Macs

Not officially supported in macOS Ventura, but currently not or only partly capable of running it

• Machines without AVX2 support will no longer boot without workaround**
  • If you're unsure whether or not your Mac supports AVX2, type in this command into Terminal sysctl -a | grep machdep.cpu.leaf7_features | grep -o AVX2. Getting AVX2 printed out it means your system has a (decent) chance to run Ventura in future.
  • UPDATE: A workaround has been found: Using the Rosetta 2 x64 emulation library from Apple Silicon Ventura installations, all intel processors from Core 2 Duo (Penryn) on can successfully boot the current macos 13.0 beta
• Devices with Ivy Bridge CPUs and older, basically all Macs older than Late 2013 do not support AVX2 natively. See above.
• Support of these systems would require an opcode emulator to work around it, a complex piece of software. See workaround above.
• GPU drivers from before Kaby Lake (Intel) or Polaris (AMD) are removed. Graphics drivers have been patched on all metal-supported (basically post-2012) GPUs. See this post for details.
• Even if you can boot, you might not have GPU acceleration, just frame buffer at most. Can be circumvented by applying alpha acceleration patches on metal-supported GPUs
• Non-metal GPUs have absolutely no support for graphics acceleration (see #998)

Developers will investigate re-adding support. No guarantees

Spoiler: I am new here - where can I get more information about using and installing the old Monterey patcher?

Owners of older Macs are used to the procedure...

• Just check the first post of the macOS 12 Monterey on Unsupported Macs thread

The Monterey thread/post already covers how to download the Apple installer packages and why and how it is limited to end users by Apple (Beta program), it mentions the state-of-the-art patcher (OCLP) and explains everything else worth knowing right now. Since there isn't even basic support for Ventura right now, please jump onto this train only if you have a fair amount of developing or troubleshooting skills.

Get used the reading the first post of this thread again and again, it is the most valuable source of information. It will be updated constantly.

Spoiler: List of officially unsupported machines that have shown Ventura booting ability to some degree

This is not the OLCP support llist!

This is an unconfirmed list of machines Apple dropped, but that have managed to boot Ventura
(regardless of the patches/method required to enable them, * denotes GPU metal API patch support with appropriate GPUs, whereas + indicates non-metal acceleration patch support):

MacPro3,1 *
MacPro4,1 *
MacPro5,1 *

iMac13,1 (21.5") *
iMac14,1 (21.5") *
iMac14,3 (21.5") *
iMac15,1 (5k) *
iMac16,2 (21.5") *
iMac17,1 (5k) *

MacMini4,1
MacMini5,1
MacMini6,1 *
MacMini6,2 *
MacMini7,1 *

MacBookAir2,1
MacBookAir3,2 +
MacBookAir4,2 (13") +
MacBookAir5,x *
MacBookAir6,1 (11") *
MacBookAir7,x *

MacBook4,1
MacBook5,1 +
MacBook5,2
MacBook6,1
MacBook7,1
MacBook8,1 *
MacBook9,1 *

MacBookPro4,1 (15" and 17") +
MacBookPro5,x
MacBookPro6,1 (17") +
MacBookPro7,1 (13")
MacBookPro8,x
MacBookPro9,2 *
MacBookPro10,1 *
MacBookPro11,1 *
MacBookPro13,3 *

...to be continued!

Even using a supported metal GPU on pre Haswell systems fails because the AMD driver stack (AMDRadeonX4000GLDriver.bundle) now uses AVX2 instructions. AVX2 use will not be limited to the kernel and drivers. You may check this link about the current situation.

For all of who have installed Ventura on any supported/unsupported devices you may use this method to check for AVX2 instructions hidden in any executables or libs. Unfortunately is is not that easy to access binaries from the kernel extensions any longer since they are not stored on disk but hidden in a big cache.

Please mention @0xCUBE in a post if a different Mac that is not on this list is confirmed to boot.

Spoiler: About (new) Apple firmware updates

All hardware still supported with Monterey but dropped from Ventura support will get Apple software and firmware updates until late summer 2024. To apply those (valuable and often necessary firmware) updates you need to install and update Monterey on your system. All firmware upgrades are bundled into the supported macOS updates, only. Ventura will not provide those firmware updates, since your Mac is not supported by Apple with Ventura!

The most easy way to achieve this is having an APFS container (aka volume) in parallel with your new Ventura installation. No user data needs to be copied in there. Just boot Monterey when you get an Monterey update notification and apply this update.

Note that when booting a supported OS to get firmware updates it must not be booted via OpenCore. Press alt/option on boot and do a PRAM reset before booting back into Monterey.

You may drop (delete) this basic Monterey installation after Apple stopped delivering new updates in autumn 2024. You will not get new firmware releases.

(If you read this section after 2024 just prepare your unsupported system by installing once the latest Monterey version released by Apple including all updates to get the latest firmware update installed. You may drop this Monterey installation after this procedure.)

Another method to update the firmware has been described on this site. It requires some system admin technical skills.

Spoiler: How to migrate user data on patched systems?

Bad news:

TM (time machine) restoring and MA (migration assistant) is broken on root patched systems. Do not try, system will only arrive in an unbootable and uncorrectable state after hours of restoring or transferring data.

There are two ways around this:

1. Use the OCLP USB installer and install Ventura on top of your current (supported or unsupported) macOS. This will retain your current user data. But create a final TM backup before leaving your supported macOS installation, it will be the only return ticket.

2. Simply use MA or TM before system has been root patched by the OCLP app. This is sometimes difficult to achieve when auto-patching ran before you even reached the login page. You can prevent auto-patching by creating an USB installer manually (createinstallmedia and install OpenCore manually).

The OCLP (OpenCore Legacy Patcher) for Ventura has been released. Support is experimental.

A lot of known issues exist, do not expect fixes and please do not even ask for fixes - this constant noise only ruins motivation of all people involved into this project.

A complete step by step guide is available in the ventura documentation. Please read this documentation before you start the installation process. Please understand only USB installer based installations are supported. Support is limited to legacy Apple systems only as listed within the docs.

Please retain the USB installer, it is a simple recovery tool in case your shiny new Ventura installation breaks for some reason.

OCLP gets regularly updates, please check those updates by reading the release notes and the full changelog.

Just installed Ventura on my late 2011 Macbook Pro. It's working pretty well
except for two things:
1) The fan won't stop. It's annoying.
and . . .
2) This . . . the System Settings (formally Sys Prefs) don't display any options EXCEPT for the Screensaver and Wallpaper sections


As usual, any suggestions would be appreciated!

 

[Larsvonhier]

Just installed Ventura on my late 2011 Macbook Pro. It's working pretty well
except for two things:
1) The fan won't stop. It's annoying.
and . . .
2) This . . . the System Settings (formally Sys Prefs) don't display any options EXCEPT for the Screensaver and Wallpaper sections


As usual, any suggestions would be appreciated!



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Fan:
Are you sure that indexing has been completed? Otherwise, let it run for a while and it might get back to normal (if indexing is currently hogging your CPU ressources).

System settings: Two possible solutions against the black boxed fields.
Either use the appropriate root volume patch (esp. for HD3000 based graphics) or set the color profile to another entry.
Both have been described multiple times in this thread. Search function suggested ;-)

 

[358]

While you said "everything works well after post install patch", if you don't see the WiFi menu, the patches were not fully implemented. Try a later version of OCLP.

hi there, i am on the latest OCLP 0.6.1

 

[Drivemysaab]

Have a question though... Does Ventura with OCLP installation support firewire ports on older iMacs? Anyone tried it please comment. thanks

Here on an mid-2011 iMac 27, Ventura 13.2, the firewire works perfectly with booth FW800 drives. 👍🏼

 

[pwillis]

hi there, i am on the latest OCLP 0.6.1

Same here.

 

[pwillis]

Fan:
Are you sure that indexing has been completed? Otherwise, let it run for a while and it might get back to normal (if indexing is currently hogging your CPU ressources).

System settings: Two possible solutions against the black boxed fields.
Either use the appropriate root volume patch (esp. for HD3000 based graphics) or set the color profile to another entry.
Both have been described multiple times in this thread. Search function suggested ;-)

Thanks very much for your reply!

"appropriate root volume patch" is a little above my pay grade.

Also, I opened my Activity Monitor hoping to see if I could find out if there was indexing going on, and noticed red error messages only with items related to the System Settings.
I could only capture a couple of them but it's looking the same across the board.

 

[deeveedee]

The fan won't stop. It's annoying.

I found on my MBP6,2 that Spotlight could be resource intensive. Depending on how much you rely on Spotlight, you may want to try tuning System Preferences > Spotlight (eliminate Search Results and add volumes to Privacy) to see if that helps to minimize the running fan.

 

[pwillis]

Also, I'm seeing this . . .

The more I look at things the more I realize that it's not working so well lol!
Now this, in Messages. The black message from me is the first message I've tried to send since the installation.

 

[pwillis]

I found on my MBP6,2 that Spotlight could be resource intensive. Depending on how much you rely on Spotlight, you may want to try tuning System Preferences > Spotlight (eliminate Search Results and add volumes to Privacy) to see if that helps to minimize the running fan.

Thanks for that dee but unfortunately I can't see anything in my Sys Prefs other than screensavers and wallpaper, so I can't edit or change settings.

 

[makra]

Thanks for that dee but unfortunately I can't see anything in my Sys Prefs other than screensavers and wallpaper, so I can't edit or change settings.

Try to use the search button - you'll find screenshots like this one:

Even if you German isn't fluent, you should be able to figure out, that Color Profile ist the fourth rectangle in the Displays panel. Try to hit at the right, so than the menu with all the profiles pops up. Has worked for me.

 

[pwillis]

Try to use the search button - you'll find screenshots like this one:
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Even if you German isn't fluent, you should be able to figure out, that Color Profile ist the fourth rectangle in the Displays panel. Try to hit at the right, so than the menu with all the profiles pops up. Has worked for me.

Thanks makra.

This is what I get when I search from within System Settings/displays

 

[davidlv]

hi there, i am on the latest OCLP 0.6.1

With all due respect, that is not the latest version available, but it is the latest release version. The nightly versions, at least 4, have all been much better than 0.6.1 on my 2014 iMac. Rock solid here, but that situation may or may not be the same for your hardware. It is certainly worth a try, and it may enable those missing preferences.

 

[davidlv]

Thanks makra.

This is what I get using "Spotlight".
??

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I thought he meant the search button in System Preferences for Display, not the Spotlight search button.
The idea is to try clicking on the right side rectangle in the Display preference, Have you tried that?

 

[Sigvard]

I also have a 2016 MBP. Can you play / write HEVC/H.265 videos? The current OpenPatch has problems with this codec

Just checked, and I'm not able to play MP4 H.265/HEVC files on QuickTime Player and VLC. I suppose I just need to hold still and wait for a patch.