macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

[PhoneandPad]

That sounds like a hibernation-related issue. Use the terminal to see what the hibernation mode is set at;
pmset -g
shows the current settings.
Try these commands...

I am in a similar place to Arekussu. Sleep/Wake issues with Ventura and OLP.

I'm testing Ventura on a late 2015 iMac v16.2 that previously ran Mojave 10.14.6.

It's currently running stable on a 2TB Sandisk USB SSD after the internal Fusion drive started playing up so it now boots from SSD.

I bought a separate External USB Drive - 2TB Crucial just to do a UAT on Ventura - having had complete success with a 2010 iMac and a 2013 MacBook already. Since my wife uses the Mojave based iMac daily I needed a separate SSD to play with.

Installing Mojave to the Crucial SD went smoothly, the OS throws no errors at all in extended use. Next step, use OLP to update to Ventura. This went straightforwardly and I then applied the post-install OLP patches and reset the NVRAM. It runs OK but does one thing that Mojave didn't though, spontaneously ejecting then immediately remounting the dodgy Fusion drive. That's solved once I unmount the Fusion drive, no further errors except...

While awake Ventura on the Crucial external SSD runs with no errors. If I sleep it then wake it after a few minutes, again no issues. If I leave it longer it fails to wake, stays totally dead and needs the long power switch hold before I can reboot it. My suspicion is that Hibernate has an issue with Ventura+OLP that Mojave did not have.

Have gone through Console logs carefully and as others seem to be aware, when rebooting it wipes any errors that previously occurred going into sleep/hibernation. A completely error free Console log!

I am going to try the diagnostics settings davidlv posted above. Have a similar thought though, do any of the commands prevent it sleeping or hibernating altogether? How do you reverse each of those settings changes afterward?

Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else on a similar vintage of hardware has been encountering sleep/wake issues with Ventura, especially waking from hibernation.

 

[dandeco]

Maybe I will try that. But what if there's a future Ventura update like 13.6.5? Can I still be able to download and install that, then re-apply the iMazing profile?
(I got the "no root patch" scenario again where it apparently tried to force a Sonoma upgrade, but was able to fix it with my patched Ventura USB installer again.)

I did try that again, but I eventually got the "no root patch" forced upgrade problem again when booting the Mac a second time after doing a Target Disk Mode copy... when I was at work, too! Ugh!

Luckily, I brought my patched Ventura USB installer for this MacBook Pro, so I had it re-install the Mac OS as I worked. I also don't see the notification anymore, so maybe that solved the problem and got the profile working like it should. I guess I won't be booting this into Target Disk Mode anytime soon; I'll have to suck it up and do any huge file transfers over the network connection for the time being.

 

[DrCC]

Can anyone report if Ventura via Open Core Patcher is running stable and running without issues on a MacBook Pro Retina 13" A1502 - Mid 2014 (4th gen Intel Core i5 Dual Core, 8GB Ram) ?

BigSur is the latest supported macOS on this machine, but BigSur has no more support, Ventura is the only way to go to receive updates until the end of 2025. I am not sure if I should go to Ventura or Sonoma for this older machine, it will be used by a kid for school and ideally I would want everything to update smoothly just like it would be officially from Apple.

 

[shafez]

Can anyone report if Ventura via Open Core Patcher is running stable and running without issues on a MacBook Pro Retina 13" A1502 - Mid 2014 (4th gen Intel Core i5 Dual Core, 8GB Ram) ?

BigSur is the latest supported macOS on this machine, but BigSur has no more support, Ventura is the only way to go to receive updates until the end of 2025. I am not sure if I should go to Ventura or Sonoma for this older machine, it will be used by a kid for school and ideally I would want everything to update smoothly just like it would be officially from Apple.

Ventura 13.6.4 runs perfectly fine on my late 2013 mbp 11,1 which is the same configuration as your mbp using OCLP 0.6.8.

 

[DrCC]

@shafez - thank you !

I've never used macOS patched with OCLP (only unpatched), are the security updates coming along nicely without user input (extra patches) just like on an unpatched original macOS machine? In other words, can I set and forget this A1502 MacBook Pro with Ventura + OCLP with automatic updates in the background? The machine will be used by a kid and this is her first Mac, it will take a while until she learns macOS and is able to manage the machine. Until then I am hoping that all the updates will be performed similarly to how they would be done on an unpatched machine.

Also, with Ventura confirmed that it works properly on the A1502 MacBook Pro, is it worth doing the same thing but with Sonoma? Is there a particular reason why you installed Sonoma and not Ventura since Sonoma would give you more update support for an older machine? Thanks again.

 

[shafez]

@shafez - thank you !

I've never used macOS patched with OCLP (only unpatched), are the security updates coming along nicely without user input (extra patches) just like on an unpatched original macOS machine? In other words, can I set and forget this A1502 MacBook Pro with Ventura + OCLP with automatic updates in the background? The machine will be used by a kid and this is her first Mac, it will take a while until she learns macOS and is able to manage the machine. Until then I am hoping that all the updates will be performed similarly to how they would be done on an unpatched machine.

Also, with Ventura confirmed that it works properly on the A1502, is it worth doing the same thing but with Sonoma? Is there a particular reason why you installed Sonoma and not Ventura since Sonoma would give you more update support for an older machine? Thanks again.

For a first time mac user kid I would stick to Big Sur as it will run trouble free till she gets comfortable with macOS.
As for Sonoma I found it to be slower than Ventura and this is a personal opinion and many will disagree and also I don't need the extra features in Sonoma which appears to me as eye candy.

 

[Houpla]

I find Ventura slower than Monterey as well. And Monterey is still getting upgrades.

 

[paalb]

can I set and forget

That is not how I would describe the OCLP process.

... I am hoping that all the updates will be performed similarly to how they would be done on an unpatched machine.

It is more complex than that.

It is important to know that you will give your kid a less secure mac. This is the warning that I get on a 2015 MacBook Pro.

 

[rbart]

I find Ventura slower than Monterey as well. And Monterey is still getting upgrades.

Monterey is perfectly fine if the software you use is supported on it.
If you need to run an up to date Xcode version, you need Ventura 13.5, and Sonoma soon.

 

[RK78]

That is not how I would describe the OCLP process.

It is more complex than that.

It is important to know that you will give your kid a less secure mac. This is the warning that I get on a 2015 MacBook Pro.

View attachment 2346030

I wouldn't let any of that (from csrutil status - meant by Apple to discourage non-default configurations, and improve profits, such as hackintosh, OCLP) scare you off. That threat, including others, can be easily mitigated or completely removed by using the following:

Malwarebytes for Mac https://www.malwarebytes.com/mac Note, don't purchase, and ignore any nags, just let it expire after the initial trial, then continue using the free version, updated, by performing manual scans every once in a while. Note, have used for many years, and it never once has found anything.

Especially important: Keep browsers updated. For Firefox, install the following addons:

DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials https://duckduckgo.com/app, Malwarebytes Browser Guard https://www.malwarebytes.com/, TrafficLight http://trafficlight.bitdefender.com/ uBlock Origin (for a first time user, probably not in advanced mode) https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock#ublock-origin, I also use NoScript https://noscript.net/, but that may take a bit of getting used to.

Most of these, if not all, can be found for any chrome-like browser, probably the safest, and most privacy conscious being Brave https://brave.com/download/

Until the child in question (you don't mention how young) becomes acclimated, it is highly advisable that you stay in the picture. Security updates, especially, can get kind of tricky.

And these days, watch out for unwanted/forced upgrades to Sonoma.

EDIT: should also mention Apple's built in malware removal MRT (https://iboysoft.com/wiki/mrt-mac.html) and XProtect (https://support.apple.com/guide/security/protecting-against-malware-sec469d47bd8/web)

also see screenshot of latest Malwarebytes Browser Guard

 

[LlamaLarry]

Thanks to people posting their SilentKnight images I now see that my MBA EFI is outdated thanks to my 3rd party SSD. Do I actually care? Or is this just filed under my general anxiety of not having all my stuff updated?

 

[hanksliu]

My mid-2014 MacBook Pro with OCLP 1.3 installed has an issue where the keyboard backlight is disabled. Can you help solve this problem? My macos version is 14.3

solved, it's a hardware issue.

 

[in.e.motion]

@ll, I upgraded via the menu > System Setting > Software Update from 13.6.1 to 13.6.4 ( around 13 GB ) , after reboot I started OCLP 0.6.8 and just did the Root Patch. No probs discovered.

 

[Houpla]

Is there a reason many use old versions of OCLP instead of the current 1.3.0?

 

[RK78]

Is there a reason many use old versions of OCLP instead of the current 1.3.0?

Not sure exactly where, at which page OCLP 1.3.0 was first mentioned, but if you look back a number of pages you will see any number of users reporting various problems after running 1.3.0. Some prefer 0.6.8, which I've used successfully, but have also used 1.2.1 successfully at a different Mac, the iMac 10,1. For now, probably best to stay away from 1.3.0, except where it's absolutely required - that info accompanies the 1.3.0 popup.

 

[rmb3218]

Hi All,
I have a 2011 Macbook Pro (8,1), OCLP 1.3.0, Ventura 13.6.4. I am not sure when this started to happen but when I try to access anything from icloud drive in finder i get a message "Couldn’t communicate with a helper application" I am able to see the file in thumbnail. Dropbox in finder works fine. I have turned icloud drive on/off, logged out/in of apple, still the same. Any advice appreciated.

Kevin

 

[deeveedee]

For those who are considering an upgrade from Ventura to Sonoma because of the need to upgrade to XCode 15.3, I have an update from my own experience that may interest you. The urgency may not be as high as originally suspected.

I have completed my migration of my app development environment from macOS to Windows 11 (Microsoft Visual Studio / .NET / Xamarin / MAUI) for developing apps for Windows, Android and iOS. The migration to Windows was surprisingly easy. Visual Studio running in Windows 11 automatically connects to XCode running in macOS to publish iOS apps to the App Store.

Since Apple still allows app publishing with XCode 14.3.1 (XCode 14.3.1 publishing allowed through April 28), I can still publish iOS apps from my Windows development environment (connected to XCode 14.3.1 running in Ventura). Starting on April 29, Apple will require XCode 15 for publishing iOS apps. Since Ventura supports XCode 15.2, I will still be able to publish iOS apps without upgrading to Sonoma.

I'm sharing this, because my urgency to upgrade to Sonoma (for XCode) is not as high as I had originally suspected. Ventura (and XCode) is working perfectly (for me) patched with OCLP on my MBP6,2.

 

[K two]

I wouldn't let any of that (from csrutil status - meant by Apple to discourage non-default configurations, and improve profits, such as hackintosh, OCLP) scare you off. That threat, including others, can be easily mitigated or completely removed by using the following:

Malwarebytes for Mac https://www.malwarebytes.com/mac Note, don't purchase, and ignore any nags, just let it expire after the initial trial, then continue using the free version, updated, by performing manual scans every once in a while. Note, have used for many years, and it never once has found anything.

Especially important: Keep browsers updated. For Firefox, install the following addons:

DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials https://duckduckgo.com/app, Malwarebytes Browser Guard https://www.malwarebytes.com/, TrafficLight http://trafficlight.bitdefender.com/ uBlock Origin (for a first time user, probably not in advanced mode) https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock#ublock-origin, I also use NoScript https://noscript.net/, but that may take a bit of getting used to.

Most of these, if not all, can be found for any chrome-like browser, probably the safest, and most privacy conscious being Brave https://brave.com/download/

Until the child in question (you don't mention how young) becomes acclimated, it is highly advisable that you stay in the picture. Security updates, especially, can get kind of tricky.

And these days, watch out for unwanted/forced upgrades to Sonoma.

EDIT: should also mention Apple's built in malware removal MRT (https://iboysoft.com/wiki/mrt-mac.html) and XProtect (https://support.apple.com/guide/security/protecting-against-malware-sec469d47bd8/web)

also see screenshot of latest Malwarebytes Browser Guard

View attachment 2346834

Looks like Apple's built-in malware removal features MRT and XProtect are doing a great job. Part of macOS, MRT and XProtect are maintained back to El Capitan and can be kept up to date with SilentKnight, here: https://eclecticlightdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2023/11/silentknight207.zip for Catalina to Sonoma or https://eclecticlightdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/silentknight121.zip for ElCap to Ventura. A most essential tool.

 

[jrumball]

I have just upgraded a 2013 13inch MacBook Air with a Hynix P31 Gold and at the same time upgraded from Monterey to Ventura via OCLP both the latest version.

i am now getting random crashes caused by windowserver, where the display freezes but say a zoom call can still be heard and interacted with the only way to recover is to reboot the machine ?

i assume the is Ventura related not related to the SSD upgrade ?

Any idea what is causing this a quick search for windowserver in this thread doesn’t point to anything specific ?

 

[Bigwaff]

Install some system monitoring software and monitor the temp sensors of your CPU and SSD.

 

[samiqa]

I have just upgraded a 2013 13inch MacBook Air with a Hynix P31 Gold and at the same time upgraded from Monterey to Ventura via OCLP both the latest version.

i am now getting random crashes caused by windowserver, where the display freezes but say a zoom call can still be heard and interacted with the only way to recover is to reboot the machine ?

i assume the is Ventura related not related to the SSD upgrade ?

Any idea what is causing this a quick search for windowserver in this thread doesn’t point to anything specific ?

I've Macbook Pro mid 2014 with nvidia gpu and I have also installed Hynix P31 and I have the same kind of problem like you and reported that earlier here .

but I think it's related to the Nvidia GPU in my case and not my NVME ssd.

 

[jrumball]

I've Macbook Pro mid 2014 with nvidia gpu and I have also installed Hynix P31 and I have the same kind of problem like you and reported that earlier here .

but I think it's related to the Nvidia GPU in my case and not my NVME ssd.

Its weird I also have issues with copy and paste and the arrow keys doing odd things...

I've seen mention that disabling FeatureUnlock in Opencore settings, rebuild, rewrite Opencore to disk and reboot solves the issues though you will lose Airplay and some other things...

 

[K two]

Install some system monitoring software and monitor the temp sensors of your CPU and SSD.

MenuMeters runs up to macOS 14.4b4, perfectly, here: https://github.com/yujitach/MenuMeters/releases

 

[RK78]

Very cool! Had forgotten about silentknight; used to have it in Mojave (patcher). Thanks for the reminder K two.

 

[deeveedee]

I have just upgraded a 2013 13inch MacBook Air with a Hynix P31 Gold and at the same time upgraded from Monterey to Ventura via OCLP both the latest version.

i am now getting random crashes ...

See this SSD guide which indicates problems with hackintoshes booting with Open Core and Hynix P31. The same issues would likely apply to your real Mac. After this thread was created, others reported that Hynix released firmware for the P31 that fixed the problem. You may need to boot Windows on your P31 (or install the NVMe SSD in a system running Windows) to check the firmware version and update if necessary.

EDIT: See this.