macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

[hvds]

@hvds
I don't know it I understand well the last changes. Specifically "KDK automatically downloaded/installed, with fallback to last available version". Does it mean that, if you are installing beta 9 and the related KDK isn't available yet, OpenCore-Patcher downloads/installs the previous KDL available, beta 8, and uses it for the root patch? Because I was thinking that the KDK must be the same version as macOS 13. Thanks.

Yes exactly, that is how OCLP acted on that, see attached snippet from another patching protocol. I assume that the KDKs differ in some respect, maybe some kexts, but not entirely, and so an older one is still useful for many patchings. khronokernel I'm sure has found a good way forward should the correct KDK be unavailable.
Certainly it works well in my case.

 

[perez987]

@hvds
Awesome! Every day I am more surprised by the quality of the work that @khronokernel and the other developers do. So… let's try beta 9 with these new conditions.

 

[BGS]

Again, @Ausdauersportler already told you. Don't use the "Force Web Drivers" option. It forces your GPU into non-Metal rendering mode. The option is solely there for development purposes, no practical application for end users. I feel like I should put a paywall/password up on OCLP's settings.

And the reason there's a KDK check is the non-Metal would require a KDK due to the nature of IOSurface swapping. And there's no non-Metal support in Ventura at this time:

• https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/issues/998

Also please be more respectful and stop acting like you're in authority. We have enough misinformation floating around due to this thread, would really like to clean it up. Remember, people a year from now will be reading this thread for research...

Ironic the once in a blue moon I comment here is for this.

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While I'm here, might as well make some general comments on Ventura support for the community. Namely what to expect when we do release OCLP 0.5.0 to the general public.

Currently we're quite happy with progress internally on legacy Metal. Still need a fair amount of love for the patches, however for the most part they're usable.

Regarding current issues, we believe these ones will remain broken by release time:

• USB 1.1 support
  • Applicable for Penryn and Cheese Grater Mac Pros
  • ie. Bluetooth, Internal Keyboard/Mouse
• Legacy Wireless support
  • Applicable Wifi cards needing root patches in Monterey
  • ie. Atheros, BCM94328, BCM94322
• Non-Metal Graphics Acceleration
  • AMD TeraScale 1/2, Nvidia Tesla/Web Drivers, Intel Ironlake and Sandy Bridge
• MacPro6,1 Boot Support
  • Completely unbootable for most (if not all)
  • Cause unknown, will be looking into getting a unit (donations appreciated)
  • Reference:
    • https://github.com/acidanthera/bugtracker/issues/2126
• Broken Power Management on Ivy Bridge and older
  • CPU stuck at base clock, won't idle lower or boost

And other issues are listed on the Ventura issue, above are the main noteworthy concerns:

• https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/issues/998

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Otherwise that's all from me for now, I'll be returning to my cave again and hammering through some more development. Hope everyone's enjoying the work we've been putting out so far.

- Mykola

Hey Mykola, I just want to say a huge thanks for the update and the tremendous work you and OCLP Team do! Cheers!

 

[Andreas Jordanidis]

the MacPro3,1 on Ventura... surprisingly smooth install.

Surprised that someone has the nerves to using the 3,1 still.
I got it 6 months ago, and since then, I wasnt able to use it in a reliable way.
The USB connectors would randomly stop working, random inability to boot, stuck on the glitched startup chime and etc...

Its nice to see it work for someone at least

 

[Larsvonhier]

no I have 97GB left

Surprised that someone has the nerves to using the 3,1 still.
I got it 6 months ago, and since then, I wasnt able to use it in a reliable way.
The USB connectors would randomly stop working, random inability to boot, stuck on the glitched startup chime and etc...

Its nice to see it work for someone at least

Your unit must have severe issues. (Glitchy startup chime points to RAM/RAM risers with faulty connections).
We have a couple of 3,1 in our office running rock solid with Monterey, some even as work units. Could not afford to have unreliable machines for my co-workers ;-)

 

[perez987]

Good morning. Trying the new KDK download feature added into OCLP alpha, I've noted that the first window (Downloading KDK) stays open for a long time (at least 30 min, tested 3 times) with very little movement on network downloads. It's not a network problem because immediately after closing this window I can go to the Apple Developer site and download the KDK quickly.
Does it happen to anyone else who has tried this new version?

Spoiler: Downloading KDK

 

[thegdn]

Surprised that someone has the nerves to using the 3,1 still.
I got it 6 months ago, and since then, I wasnt able to use it in a reliable way.
The USB connectors would randomly stop working, random inability to boot, stuck on the glitched startup chime and etc...

Its nice to see it work for someone at least

Not my daily driver. Ventura is installed on a separate drive. Normal operation is currently 12.6.1 and that's solid.
Ventura runs great for me and what the machine is for. No wifi but not an issue with dual ethernet and it sits within 6 feet of the switch and "modem".
Quite a few macs between 2008 and 2014 surround me in my office along with several pc's running various OS. I can play... test.

 

[Sanmiguel71]

Same here, right now I am waiting also.... I also discovered, that the Post install process fails, when your not logged in with your Developer Account (more or less clear)...

Sorry quote is not working?

 

[perez987]

@Sanmiguel71
This may be a clue. I was not logged in the Apple Developer site. I'll try in this way to see if it fixes the issue.

 

[Sanmiguel71]

Post Install Patches on iMac 17,1 is unfortunately not working here after new Beta. KDK 22A5352e also reinstalled manually, but no success so far...

Update: After manual install of KDK (see above) I tried to reboot again, and now Post Install works as expected. Not sure, whether it is because of the new install of KDK. It was already installed before...

 

[perez987]

@Sanmiguel71
Ah, sí! I have had this issue a couple of times. I don’t know the reason yet. Tried uninstalling / reinstalling KDK, removing / reapplying root patch + removing OCLP (Applications alias + Dortania folder in /Library/ApplicationSupport + plist in /Library/LaunchAgents), of course rebooting, but I couldn’t repair it without reinstalling Ventura onto the erased disk.
Note: dependencies warning can vary, they aren’t always the same.

 

[headlessmike]

Despite having followed this thread since its inception, I was not expecting this to work as well as it does. The only bug that I've run into so far is the known one of the Weather app crashing when scrolling to the bottom.

 

[pshufd]

Despite having followed this thread since its inception, I was not expecting this to work as well as it does. The only bug that I've run into so far is the known one of the Weather app crashing when scrolling to the bottom.

View attachment 2086153

I can live with that. The Windows Weather App crashes from time to time as well.

 

[jonnyv34]

MacBook Air 2012 Ventura installed fine and with acceleration. Congrats to the developers. The only problem is the mentioned fact that the CPU won’t go above the base line speed. So it is always at 1.7Gh instead of going up to 2.8 so everything is a lot slower than in Monterey. This CPU is slow already at full speed. I am confident that extraordinary developers will find a solution in time.

 

[hvds]

Good morning. Trying the new KDK download feature added into OCLP alpha, I've noted that the first window (Downloading KDK) stays open for a long time (at least 30 min, tested 3 times) with very little movement on network downloads. It's not a network problem because immediately after closing this window I can go to the Apple Developer site and download the KDK quickly.
Does it happen to anyone else who has tried this new version?

Spoiler: Downloading KDK

View attachment 2086054

Doesn't happen in my case, as the KDK is already merged into the kernel so KDK won't be downloaded/installed again. See lines 111 and following of sys_patch.py.
Will try to cheat it by commenting out lines 116-118 so it should redo KDK (but can try on it only on Wednesday).
Cheating at a different place forced it to re-download KDK, and that worked without problems. It didn't do anything with the downloaded KDK though so this is an incomplete test.

 

[jonnyv34]

Anyone has any idea why I am unable to patch the system because it says SIP is enabled, although it is not, checked the plist and it is 0x83.

 

[Sven G]

Maybe try to reinstall OCLP to the EFI with the default settings and then retry to root patch…?

 

[Larsvonhier]

While trying to get further machines to boot Ventura (in addition to the recent MB4,1, MBA2,1 and MBA3,2) I noticed a common boot failure behavior on these three:
- MP6,1 (D300)
- MBP4,1 (Nvidia Tesla)
- iMAC8,1 (Nvidia Tesla)

Despite configuring the OC for each machine individually on a boot volume (that boots fine on i.e. MBA3,2) the boot process ends at a very early stage at either log outputs

[PCI configuration start]
or
HID Legacy shim 2

The HD activity goes on after that for quite some time (as if in background the system continues booting but does not give any screen outputs any more).

USB connectivity (i.e. 1.1 problems) can be ruled out (I have tried to boot FireWire and USB3.0 through ExpressCard) and also Nvidia Tesla (as other machines with that GPU type at least boot unaccelerated).

Any success stories with MBP4,1 and older iMacs?
(I know that the MP6,1 is a special problem case, just wanted to share the observation that it stalls out at the same boot step).

 

[MacPeet]

Many thanks to the developers of OCLP 0.5.0.
The postinstall brought back the IntelHD kext's for Ventura on my Lenovo T450s.
I have also created new EFI for my MacPro3,1 with 0.5.0.
Ventura full installer 13 DP9 no problems, Ventura is running.



I have only one problem, BT is broken under Ventura with my BCM94360CD. With Monterey, same EFI, BT works without problems.
What's new under Ventura with the ...CD for WLAN/BT?

 

[MacHosehead]

I have only one problem, BT is broken under Ventura with my BCM94360CD. With Monterey, same EFI, BT works without problems.
What's new under Ventura with the ...CD for WLAN/BT?

My guess is that wifi/bt card is OK but the USB it is connected to is no longer supported in Ventura.

 

[albert-e]

Thanks to all Developers and collaborators! I successfully installed macOS Ventura Beta 9 using OCLP Ventura-patch 0.5.0 on a MacBook Pro 15" Early 2013, MacBook10,1 with Ventura Beta installed in a USB.Previously, I had macOS Catalina on my system. I created EFI partition on it with OpenPatcher-GUI.app that I downloaded from a link from a member of this forum.
Everything went smoothly...like peanut butter. Thanks!

Update: Graphics acceleration (h264 enabled, h265 disabled). using Nvidia 650M on Video Proc app
I checked HEVC decoding/encoding is not available on Macbook10,1 CPU? Anyone, can I enabled HEVC?

 

[mortiis]

MacBookPro9,2
Dual-Core Intel Core i5
2.5 GHz
Intel HD Graphics 4000
successfully installed beta 8 but I guess there is no graphic acceleration
is there any way to make graphic acceleration work

 

[joergz]

My guess is that wifi/bt card is OK but the USB it is connected to is no longer supported in Ventura.

I believe the combined WiFi-BT card in the cMP 3,1 is connected via PCIe and not via USB. Also the screenshot shows that WiFi is working so perhaps a separate Kext problem with BT.

Update: I checked it on my cMP and it looks like that BT is indeed connected via USB as opposed to WiFi. Never thought this could happen with the same card.

 

[Larsvonhier]

MacBookPro9,2
Dual-Core Intel Core i5
2.5 GHz
Intel HD Graphics 4000
successfully installed beta 8 but I guess there is no graphic acceleration
is there any way to make graphic acceleration work

Your screenshot shows transparencies, so I´d say it indicates GPU acceleration up and running already. Check the section about graphics in your system profiler to see...

 

[mortiis]

Your screenshot shows transparencies, so I´d say it indicates GPU acceleration up and running already. Check the section about graphics in your system profiler to see...

I guess I said no no graphic acceleration as the system is slow kind of, so I thought it would be of the graphic do you have any idea why its is slow? what is missing that I should do I?