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First of all I want to thank everyone involved in developing the patch tool to make this even possible. It had to have taken hours of time and dedication to do so.
Now a couple questions....
I just installed Sonoma on my Late 2009 iMac 21.5 inch model yesterday. It installed easily especially since it has a spinner hd and only 4gb of ram for now. Definatly planning on upgrading ram to at least 8gb asap and maybe an ssd if I find someone who knows how to install one reasonably in the iMac.
questions are
1. Does the iMac use laptop size or desk top size ram chips, I may have the ram laying around if its laptop size chips.
2. If I install an ssd drive, will the usb drive I made to install Sonoma the first time or do I need to make a new one
Now a couple questions....
I just installed Sonoma on my Late 2009 iMac 21.5 inch model yesterday. It installed easily especially since it has a spinner hd and only 4gb of ram for now. Definatly planning on upgrading ram to at least 8gb asap and maybe an ssd if I find someone who knows how to install one reasonably in the iMac.
questions are
1. Does the iMac use laptop size or desk top size ram chips, I may have the ram laying around if its laptop size chips.
2. If I install an ssd drive, will the usb drive I made to install Sonoma the first time or do I need to make a new one
1) According to Apple you can install up to 16 GB RAM.
16GB For iMac (Late 2009), you can use 2GB or 4GB RAM SO-DIMMs of 1066MHz DDR3 SDRAM in each slot. For iMac (Mid 2010) and iMac (Mid 2011), use 2GB or 4GB RAM SO-DIMMs of 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM in each slot.
2) If the USB is made for your iMac, it can be reused.
There are several videos showing you how to change the HDD to SSD. Search YouTube.
Thanks much. just also found out it has 4 ram slots as well. if it uses laptop size chips, I likely have them
Also thinking upgrading the ram since I already likely have it would make a big performance boost. not so much in getting things to open but switching between tabs and such and having multiple things open at the same time. It works very well especially considering it has the spinning hd and small amount of ram.
typing this on it now and working perfect.
Also just fixed the mouse ball not scrolling both ways. never thought about running it on a piece of paper for a bit would work, but now mouse also acts properly.
typing this on it now and working perfect.
Also just fixed the mouse ball not scrolling both ways. never thought about running it on a piece of paper for a bit would work, but now mouse also acts properly.
very cool - never knew this - thanks for the tip. I enabled Accessibility > Zoom settings and it works well on MBP6,2.
EDIT: Tested and working in both Ventura 13.6.4 and Sonoma 14.3.
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Just update from 14.2.1 to 14.3 using OTA on my iMac 14,2. It took around 40 minutes. Ran OLPC 1.3 patch afterwards. Everything runs OK.
I updated from OCLP 1.21 to 1.30 and now my iMac 14,1 does not boot anymore. The progress bar stucks at about 40 %, the cursor appears and I can move it but no logon screen at all. I also tried to boot into safe mode by pressing shift during boot but still same result. What can I do?
I have Sonoma 14.1 installed.
I have Sonoma 14.1 installed.
Hello all,
Using an IMac 21.5" (late 2009) with Sonoma 14.3 and OCLP 1.3.0 with all working well.
Two questions:
1) This Imac only has a 500GB internal hard drive which is original equipment. Is it worth my time, money and patience to attempt an installation of a new internal SSD, or should I just use a new external SSD as my primary drive? My cureent internal is working satisfactorily, but slow. This computer has four USB ports (I think 1.0) and 1 Firewire port.
2) I have Ben Baker's Hackintool app installed after Bluetooth problems when upgrading to Ventura a year ago. It worked great and I've needed after each upgrade of Sonoma. In that app it says I have Open Core 9.6 installed with 9.7 available. I have never installed Open Core individually. Thought it was automatically updated whenever OCLP was updated. Do I need to update to Open Core 9.7?
FYI, this computer is used for email, internet, Apple Numbers & Pages, Photos and Turbotax. Not used for gaming or even Facetime.
Your thoughts are genuinely appreciated.
as always, my thanks from an old person.
Using an IMac 21.5" (late 2009) with Sonoma 14.3 and OCLP 1.3.0 with all working well.
Two questions:
1) This Imac only has a 500GB internal hard drive which is original equipment. Is it worth my time, money and patience to attempt an installation of a new internal SSD, or should I just use a new external SSD as my primary drive? My cureent internal is working satisfactorily, but slow. This computer has four USB ports (I think 1.0) and 1 Firewire port.
2) I have Ben Baker's Hackintool app installed after Bluetooth problems when upgrading to Ventura a year ago. It worked great and I've needed after each upgrade of Sonoma. In that app it says I have Open Core 9.6 installed with 9.7 available. I have never installed Open Core individually. Thought it was automatically updated whenever OCLP was updated. Do I need to update to Open Core 9.7?
FYI, this computer is used for email, internet, Apple Numbers & Pages, Photos and Turbotax. Not used for gaming or even Facetime.
Your thoughts are genuinely appreciated.
as always, my thanks from an old person.
All working well? You can wait for the OCLP 1.4.0 release that updates OC to 0.9.7.
Hi there, I've got Sonoma 14.3 running on my mid 2012 MBP. It's been crashing almost daily and was also doing so with 14.1 and 14.2.1. Also sometimes the UI gets all messed up and starts glitching out with unresponsive with flickering triangles.
I can't run diagnostics because it's missing from my system. I've tried booting diagnostics from a USB stick but it's not working, it's going straight to my system instead, I think because of opencore having the same name of "EFIboot". It also seems like I'm not able to to disable SIP because my system also doesn't have recovery installed, so it has to use internet recovery, and the old version of internet recovery doesn't understand "disable csrutil" on the terminal.
Here's the latest crash report, can anyone help diagnose the issue?
Thanks
I can't run diagnostics because it's missing from my system. I've tried booting diagnostics from a USB stick but it's not working, it's going straight to my system instead, I think because of opencore having the same name of "EFIboot". It also seems like I'm not able to to disable SIP because my system also doesn't have recovery installed, so it has to use internet recovery, and the old version of internet recovery doesn't understand "disable csrutil" on the terminal.
Here's the latest crash report, can anyone help diagnose the issue?
Code:
panic(cpu 4 caller 0xffffff803209189b): userspace watchdog timeout: no successful checkins from WindowServer (2 induced crashes) in 120 seconds
WindowServer has not exited since first loaded
service: logd, total successful checkins in 10949 seconds: 1092, last successful checkin: 0 seconds ago
service: WindowServer (2 induced crashes), total successful checkins in 10903 seconds: 1076, last successful checkin: 120 seconds ago
service: opendirectoryd, total successful checkins in 10949 seconds: 1091, last successful checkin: 0 seconds ago
service: configd, total successful checkins in 10949 seconds: 1092, last successful checkin: 0 seconds ago
Panicked task 0xffffff8ba0c64218: 3 threads: pid 127: watchdogd
Backtrace (CPU 4), panicked thread: 0xffffff906d753b30, Frame : Return Address
0xfffffffe007e7510 : 0xffffff802f436c41 mach_kernel : _handle_debugger_trap + 0x4b1
0xfffffffe007e7560 : 0xffffff802f5955c0 mach_kernel : _kdp_i386_trap + 0x110
0xfffffffe007e75a0 : 0xffffff802f584d0c mach_kernel : _kernel_trap + 0x55c
0xfffffffe007e7620 : 0xffffff802f3d3971 mach_kernel : _return_from_trap + 0xc1
0xfffffffe007e7640 : 0xffffff802f436f2d mach_kernel : _DebuggerTrapWithState + 0x5d
0xfffffffe007e7730 : 0xffffff802f4365d3 mach_kernel : _panic_trap_to_debugger + 0x1e3
0xfffffffe007e7790 : 0xffffff802fbd8e6e mach_kernel : _panic_with_options + 0x89
0xfffffffe007e7880 : 0xffffff803209189b com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN10IOWatchdog14userspacePanicEP8OSObjectPvP25IOExternalMethodArguments.cold.1 + 0x27
0xfffffffe007e7890 : 0xffffff8032091364 com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN10IOWatchdog14userspacePanicEP8OSObjectPvP25IOExternalMethodArguments + 0x2e
0xfffffffe007e78b0 : 0xffffff803209042b com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN20IOWatchdogUserClient14externalMethodEjP25IOExternalMethodArgumentsP24IOExternalMethodDispatchP8OSObjectPv + 0x83
0xfffffffe007e79e0 : 0xffffff802fb4e4d6 mach_kernel : __ZN12IOUserClient18callExternalMethodEjP25IOExternalMethodArguments + 0x86
0xfffffffe007e7a10 : 0xffffff802fb4e84d mach_kernel : _is_io_connect_method + 0x31d
0xfffffffe007e7b80 : 0xffffff802f54077f mach_kernel : _iokit_server_routine + 0x3aef
0xfffffffe007e7ca0 : 0xffffff802f40f8a0 mach_kernel : _ipc_kmsg_send + 0x570
0xfffffffe007e7d60 : 0xffffff802f4276b8 mach_kernel : _mach_msg_overwrite_trap + 0x5d8
0xfffffffe007e7dd0 : 0xffffff802f427d28 mach_kernel : _mach_msg2_trap + 0x3b8
0xfffffffe007e7ef0 : 0xffffff802f56a302 mach_kernel : _mach_call_munger64 + 0x1f2
0xfffffffe007e7fa0 : 0xffffff802f3d3dd6 mach_kernel : _hndl_mach_scall64 + 0x16
Kernel Extensions in backtrace:
com.apple.driver.watchdog(1.0)[F1797B78-7645-3FC6-AD29-624DD0826DA0]@0xffffff803208f000->0xffffff8032091fff
Process name corresponding to current thread (0xffffff906d753b30): watchdogd
Boot args: keepsyms=1 debug=0x100 ipc_control_port_options=0 -nokcmismatchpanic
Mac OS version:
23D56
Kernel version:
Darwin Kernel Version 23.3.0: Wed Dec 20 21:28:58 PST 2023; root:xnu-10002.81.5~7/RELEASE_X86_64
Kernel UUID: 8C96896D-43A3-3BF0-8F4C-4118DA6AC9AA
roots installed: 0
KernelCache slide: 0x000000002f000000
KernelCache base: 0xffffff802f200000
Kernel slide: 0x000000002f0e0000
Kernel text base: 0xffffff802f2e0000
__HIB text base: 0xffffff802f100000
System model name: MacBookPro9,1 (Mac-4B7AC7E43945597E)
System shutdown begun: NO
Panic diags file available: YES (0x0)
Hibernation exit count: 0
System uptime in nanoseconds: 10949266893857
Last Sleep: absolute base_tsc base_nano
Uptime : 0x000009f5532a08ed
Sleep : 0x000000d5be4169ad 0x00000014dc5353d4 0x0000000000000000
Wake : 0x000000d5c95bf843 0x000000002ee45aec 0x000000d5c83b67f1
Compressor Info: 3% of compressed pages limit (OK) and 5% of segments limit (OK) with 2 swapfiles and OK swap space
Zone info:
Zone map: 0xffffff806cda2000 - 0xffffffa06cda2000
. PGZ : 0xffffff806cda2000 - 0xffffff806eda3000
. VM : 0xffffff806eda3000 - 0xffffff853b5a2000
. RO : 0xffffff853b5a2000 - 0xffffff86d4da2000
. GEN0 : 0xffffff86d4da2000 - 0xffffff8ba15a2000
. GEN1 : 0xffffff8ba15a2000 - 0xffffff906dda2000
. GEN2 : 0xffffff906dda2000 - 0xffffff953a5a2000
. GEN3 : 0xffffff953a5a2000 - 0xffffff9a06da2000
. DATA : 0xffffff9a06da2000 - 0xffffffa06cda2000
Metadata: 0xffffffa06cdb2000 - 0xffffffa08cdb2000
Bitmaps : 0xffffffa08cdb2000 - 0xffffffa08fdb2000
Extra : 0 - 0Thanks
When you first experienced the frequent crashes in 14.1 (and subsequent versions of Sonoma), had you performed an upgrade from a previous macOS or a clean install?
What version of OCLP are you using to build the Open Core EFI and to apply the post-install patches?
Do you know enough to post your Open Core config.plist?
Hey all, got a quick question: I created a second Gmail account for me and someone to share for a specific service. Well, when I try to add the second account in internet accounts it errors with 400 on the google website after clicking continue after logging in. I was wondering if this was strictly a google issue, or if this was due to OCLP? Google let me connect the account to Canary mail, but not apple mail. My persona gmail account is in apple mail, and works fine, but i connected that, a long time ago before Sonoma, or Ventura were even a thought.
I'm thinking the Gmail issue is strictly google related, and not OCLP, but wanted to check.
I'm thinking the Gmail issue is strictly google related, and not OCLP, but wanted to check.
Just a heads-up there's an updated KDK kit. 14.3 build 23D56, if memory serves me it was 14.3 23D5051b when 14.3 was first released which did work.
github.com
Releases · dortania/KdkSupportPkg
Kernel Debug Kit Mirror for macOS Ventura and newer - dortania/KdkSupportPkg
github.com
Thanks and to be sure I understand; Open Core will update to 9.7 automatically when the next OCLP update is downloaded???
This may help you decide, 2009 iMac running High Sierra (it's a beater) here are a couple of speed tests. One with an SSD I put in years ago and the OG Seagate "spinner", this iMac's (2009/2010) Link Speed is 3GB where as 2011 and up is 6GB.
Thanks for your reply, it was from a previous macOS.
I'm currently using 1.3.0
No how do I find the config.plist?
Just added another 4gb to the ram on my late 2009 21.5 inch iMac making it a total of 8gb of ram and has made a huge difference not so much in opening apps, because it still has a spinner for a hd but in how apps behave and switching between them, like mail to safari and such. Have to find out if my friend knows how to open these without damaging them or if the IT guy at his work does and get an ssd for it and think I will have a rocket ship. Keep up the good work with making the patch tools, has to be a real pain. Thanks again!!
When you "Build and Install Open Core" with OCLP 1.4.0, Open Core will be updated to the next version. As of this post, since OCLP 1.4.0 has not yet been officially released and OC 0.9.8 has not yet been officially released, it's possible that OCLP 1.4.0 (Release) could include OC 0.9.8 (Release) ... too early for me to tell whether OCLP 1.4.0 will include OC 0.9.7 or 0.9.8.
I don't want to steer you in a direction that is beyond your knowledge. Since you upgraded from a previous version of macOS and you are experiencing problems, you should try to perform a clean installation of Sonoma.
EDIT: Make sure you have a way to recover your system/data before you start experimenting. I don't know your risk tolerance, but I would suggest that you have a backup using your preferred backup mechanism before you start experimenting.
Perhaps it may not be related, but back then when i did update to 14.2.1 caused Mail including previously working iCloud and Google accounts to behave a bit funny.
I was not able to send emails whatsoever. Error: "Server offline." No matter what SMPT server was chosen. All of them seemed to be offline and non working. I was only able to solve the issue by removing the gmail account completely from internet accounts. In that case it was likely a non OCLP issue. I did not try to reproduce this in 14.3.
I have tried again Sonoma on my iMac 17,1
Finally I have rolled back again to Ventura which far more polished for this hardware.
There are several (non blocking) graphical glitches on Sonoma which are nonexistent on Ventura
- green videos thumbnails in Finder and Photos.app
- in Maps (and all mapkit apps), there are some transparency problems around some texts (look atstreet names and POI names in my attachment)
- it's heating in standby due to the video screensavers (better to disable to avoid fan noise)
- sometimes there are some menu bar problems after resuming from standby
For all these small reasons, I recommend to stay on Ventura on this kind of hardware, unless you are forced to upgrade for a missing feature.
I hope it will improve, but as the OCLP project seems a bit stall, I am not very confident.
Finally I have rolled back again to Ventura which far more polished for this hardware.
There are several (non blocking) graphical glitches on Sonoma which are nonexistent on Ventura
- green videos thumbnails in Finder and Photos.app
- in Maps (and all mapkit apps), there are some transparency problems around some texts (look atstreet names and POI names in my attachment)
- it's heating in standby due to the video screensavers (better to disable to avoid fan noise)
- sometimes there are some menu bar problems after resuming from standby
For all these small reasons, I recommend to stay on Ventura on this kind of hardware, unless you are forced to upgrade for a missing feature.
I hope it will improve, but as the OCLP project seems a bit stall, I am not very confident.
I've kept your suggestions in mind and I opened Maps, photos, and even in Finder, I haven't observed any green thumbnails and when I opened maps to my current location, I didn't observe any of the transparency issues either.
The only real issue I had was adding the second Gmail account to apple mail, but that may be a google issue. All current existing mail accounts that were present in Monterey before the upgrade work as expected.
Here are a few screen shots of my mac running Sonoma showing the reported areas, not showing issues for me.
