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rbart

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That's what I was talking about. I thought for the most part the established facts were the Apple TV app had been resolved when playing protected content Disney and other sites didn't work in Safari, but third party browsers such as Firefox, Chrome, etc were fine. As far as HDR and DRM, no they aren't connected but I was stating that most of the modern protected content I'd want to watch is also in HDR. An exception to non protected HDR content would be YouTube. As far as my needs, it's reasonable to take the facts and apply them to the situation to see if the individual needs are met.
DRM content issue is a limitation with OCLP, and saying it’s not a problem for you because you don’t use it is completely pointless…
The problem is still there and the forum is also here to inform about the limitations of using a patched system.
Too many people claim that « all is working perfectly »
Unfortunately it’s not the case.
DRM is one of the caveats, there are other.
It’s more useful to say what’s working/ not working and let people decide if it’s important for them and not than always coming back to your personal life
 
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sfalatko

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DRM content issue is a limitation with OCLP, and saying it’s not a problem for you because you don’t use it is completely pointless…
The problem is still there and the forum is also here to inform about the limitations of using a patched system.
Too many people claim that « all is working perfectly »
Unfortunately it’s not the case.
DRM is one of the caveats, there are other.
It’s more useful to say what’s working/ not working and let people decide if it’s important for them or not than always coming back to your personal life
rbart,

Thanks. That's exactly what I expected - everything is working fine (except for some apps that need AVX2.0). I appreciate the confirmation that with DRM it isn't something with my system but is most likely part of patching Sonoma to fit on older systems that don't support AVX2.0

regards,
sfalatko
 

MacinMan

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rbart,

Thanks. That's exactly what I expected - everything is working fine (except for some apps that need AVX2.0). I appreciate the confirmation that with DRM it isn't something with my system but is most likely part of patching Sonoma to fit on older systems that don't support AVX2.0

regards,
sfalatko
That's part of my frustration and lack of what's fact vs user assumption as well. There is a lot of info floating around both on this forum, and in YouTube videos that conflicts. For example with my misunderstanding of DRM working. I was under the impression that the problems only still existed in Safari now. Also as far as me not watching protected content I wouldn't know it was broken because even watching content on a supported OS wouldn't give me the full support content I'd want due to lack of format support on older computers vs TVs and mobile devices / newer computers. Also with AVX2.0 people make it sound like anything with a Haswell CPU or better has it, so it shouldn't be an issue. Then I come here where the majority of users have older hardware and when I need something specific or want to know something specific people aren't able to help. So to me, what's the point when I can just stick with a supported OS, and then when it's not usable anymore, switch to something I can get the kind of feedback I'm looking for regarding specifics.
 
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rbart

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rbart,

Thanks. That's exactly what I expected - everything is working fine (except for some apps that need AVX2.0). I appreciate the confirmation that with DRM it isn't something with my system but is most likely part of patching Sonoma to fit on older systems that don't support AVX2.0

regards,
sfalatko
DRM issues is unfortunately not limited to AVX2.0 support
With OCLP, you can read DRM content in third party browser, but most of the time you will be limited to low res rendering.
It's the same in AppleTV+ app, you can read videos, but it's not in Full HD.
 

MacinMan

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DRM issues is unfortunately not limited to AVX2.0 support
With OCLP, you can read DRM content in third party browser, but most of the time you will be limited to low res rendering.
It's the same in AppleTV+ app, you can read videos, but it's not in Full HD.
See, I didn't know that part of it, most of the time people that I read said it just didn't work, and then they said it was working. So, I wasn't aware of the whole story based on what people here said. Also, thank you for clarifying the details.
 
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trifero

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In terms of a Mac Pro, because they use more power sleep would be beneficial yes. For something like an iMac, the display is the highest power consumption on those. For me, even with my iMac running 24/7 and simply sleeping the display when idle keeps my power bill around $50 - $55 a month, and about $70 - $80x when the AC runs in the summer more. So in terms of power consumption my recommendation not to sleep an iMac was based on that. I've never owned a Mac Pro, so don't have any experience with them. My closest experience with a Mac tower system would have to be the Yosemite Blue and White G3 I had years ago.

I'm going to be looking for other alternatives to OCLP though. Along with the fact that currently patching the OS still gives me little problems here and there for certain tasks I want access to, I just don't like some of the changes Apple has made to the newer versions, and I'd probably have to deal with those on a new supported Mac as well.

At this point, I feel like my two main choices are clear after trying the Open Core solution:

1. get a new Mac
2. switch platforms

I'm still trying to decide which to do. Although I did put Big Sur back on my 11,1 and it seems like it's OK. (last official supported version for that Mac.)
I understand. It´s a difficult decision.
 
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trifero

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How is DRM for you? I have a cMP5,1 with OCLP 1.3 and Sonoma 14.3.1 and I cannont play purchased movies in the Apple TV app and I cannot play free episodes in TV+. I am using a Vega 56.

Everything but two of my movies works with the same setup in Monterey (though with a manually developed config.plist).
Can´t say. I have the AppleTV for that.
 
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MacinMan

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I understand. It´s a difficult decision.
It is because when it comes to actually being technically up to date on things I'm better with older hardware / software unless you maybe talk Linux / BSD, but even those have significant changes since I was regularly up to date on things.

Apple changes too fast and I gave up trying to keep current and just try to use what works and update as I can. iOS is much easier as well as TVOS at this point.
 
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sfalatko

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Can´t say. I have the AppleTV for that.
Well if you get some spare time see if you can watch a free episode in the TV+ app. That's a great way to test DRM. In Monterey I can do that but in Sonoma I can't - the window opens and then closes when I try and play one of the free episodes.
 
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sfalatko

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See, I didn't know that part of it, most of the time people that I read said it just didn't work, and then they said it was working. So, I wasn't aware of the whole story based on what people here said. Also, thank you for clarifying the details.
Definitely confusing and problematic. I would like to get it working with Sonoma to keep my cMP5,1 alive for a few more years. And to be clear - I'm not complaining. What the OCLP team is doing is amazing but for my personal situation I need to decide when I move on to a newer Mac with the attendant cost.

When I get the energy and time I'll put my RX580 back and try that in Sonoma. Everything relative to DRM was working with the RX580 in Monterey. With my RX Vega 56 I have two movies that I purchased (as CD with digital copy) that won't play with the Vega 56 in Monterey. I haven't tried Sonoma with the RX 580.
 

TOM1211

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Well if you get some spare time see if you can watch a free episode in the TV+ app. That's a great way to test DRM. In Monterey I can do that but in Sonoma I can't - the window opens and then closes when I try and play one of the free episodes.

Have you tried using a vpn? Then try the episode
 

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Virtualbox had limitations on the amount of memory allocated to graphics (that may have changed). Parallels is arguably the best of the VM software, but Fusion runs a close second; both are way better than VirtualBox in my opinion. Fusion has the advantage of having a free version that has no baggage the way Parallels supposed free version has. For me, VMWare Fusion is the VM to use.

Apple introduced quite a few technical changes in recent years starting with 10.13 or so including Metal stack, 64bit, SIP (limited signed kext, RO system), switch to ARM, virtualization framework (only on ARM). Existing software needed a ton of work to port things over to fit Apple's restrictions.

x86 virtualization on MacOS is dying due to this. There is no return for investment to keep virtualization going on x86 (Intel) since most people will be buying ARM Macs.

In general, VirtualBox being an acquisition has not been Oracle's focus for years. It is pretty much left to the community to maintain it. It may feel a little unpolished in some cases.

Fusion's strength is built on their investments in eras of the past that carried over today. Fusion/Workstation isn't VMWare's most money making business and is under heavy cost cutting (they fired the US Workstation team a few years ago). The emphasis on profit has only increased since Broadcom's acquisition. Fusion has no future as a product in VMWare because their main market is servers. (Workstation is a bridge for IT admins testing in corp environments, but no corp IT environment/server farms runs on Macs) I wouldn't be surprised if they discontinue it entirely in the next few years.

Parallel is the only one with incentive to keep their product going. The company is a lot more dedicated to this niche area. They still dedicate resources into x86 virtualization as long as Apple supports x86 officially. But I expect them to face a lot of competition from free solutions (UTM) on top of Apple's built in virtualization framework in the new ARM era.

Apple changes too fast and I gave up trying to keep current and just try to use what works and update as I can. iOS is much easier as well as TVOS at this point.

Apple has always been pushing changes fast when they want to. If they announce a new API for developers and deprecate the old API, the developers are forced to migrate to the new API by the next OS release or else their software won't run (ask NVidia about their web drivers). But as a user you don't usually notice it, because the developers are shouldering the burden.

It's just that MacOS has a lot more freedom than iOS and TvOS - more open source software where the developer complains that they needed more time to migrate, or you may run old versions of software you downloaded years ago (iOS does not allow this, you are only allowed to run the latest software on the App store). So you as the user feel the pain too.

And also MacOS having 8-9 years of update (including both OS and security updates) from Apple is relatively short for consumers' expectation. Consumers have built a habit of changing our phones a lot more frequently than our computers (with components such as batteries that have a limited useful life), so we're always on the latest and greatest iPhone, but still stubbornly holding our 10 years old Mac. Being officially supported by Apple makes a big difference in terms of "it just works" or "I needed to do some work and it kind of works".
 

RumorChaser

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At this point, I feel like my two main choices are clear after trying the Open Core solution:

1. get a new Mac
2. switch platforms

I'm still trying to decide which to do. Although I did put Big Sur back on my 11,1 and it seems like it's OK. (last official supported version for that Mac.)
I would advise trying Monterey. It still receives security updates until September this year. I find it really stable. If it weren't for XCode I would probably stay on it indefinitely.
 
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MacinMan

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I would advise trying Monterey. It still receives security updates until September this year. I find it really stable. If it weren't for XCode I would probably stay on it indefinitely.
I am on Monterey, it's the last officially supported OS for this iMac 17,1. It's what to do after it's out of support. OCLP isn't a set it and forget it option as there are specific that wouldn't work as expected for me. Monterey is stable, but should i just forget about security risks since Chrome and Firefox will still receive updates after Apple is finished? That's my only real concern about upgrading. I could care less about features macOS already has what I need. since before Monterey.
 

paalb

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How is DRM for you? I have a cMP5,1 with OCLP 1.3 and Sonoma 14.3.1 and I cannont play purchased movies in the Apple TV app and I cannot play free episodes in TV+. I am using a Vega 56.

Everything but two of my movies works with the same setup in Monterey (though with a manually developed config.plist).
Maybe you should test Ventura. I have 13.6.4 OCLP 1.3.0 on my MacBook Pro 2015. It plays Apple TV+. I just tested with Ted Lasso.
 
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tipoo

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Does anyone on AMD graphics, or I guess anything else, have the menu bar sometimes go blocky and red, and sometimes web pages while they're rendering too, but they go away when swiping desktops back and forth? Is this a known issue? M370X.

I know it's not graphics card corruption because it goes away pretty easily and doesn't get worse or cause other issues. It does not happen on the Iris Pro 5200 (but that has its own issues and doesn't seem to finish GB6 compute or GFXbench successfully, but that's not much of an issue since anything pushing graphics turns on the AMD chip, including getting around the Iris + Photos Memories bug)
 
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nekton1

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OTA-updated MacMini 2014 running 14.3 (OCLP 1.3) to 14.4 RC after previously predownloading latest 1.4n to SSD. 14.4 RC installed OK (about 30 minutes) and restarted with usual message to update OCLP but at next reboot, progress bar baulked at about 35% just after screen pointer appeared. Restarted with Shift key pressed to start in Safe mode and reached Desktop. Then, ran preloaded 1.4n post-install Root patch and MM restarted normally to Desktop.
Seems normal now although not tested all functions, but BT and Wi-Fi are working.
 
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trifero

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I would advise trying Monterey. It still receives security updates until September this year. I find it really stable. If it weren't for XCode I would probably stay on it indefinitely.
All my macs are in Monterey, even the ones that support Sonoma natively. I just keep installing and updating Sonoma in a second Mac Pro 5,1, as I know Monteery will be out of support sooner or later this year.
Monterey runs rock solid on Mac Pros 5,1, no root patches needed.
And probably, I´ll keep Monterey beyond it´s unsupported, unless a really important vulnerability appears.
Really, don´t like Sonoma at all.
 
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Dummymac

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Will someone guide me to revert to my previous macOS Big Sur on late-2014 iMac? I am frustrated updating with OCLP as now everything is stuck in the process. Please help
 

shafez

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Will someone guide me to revert to my previous macOS Big Sur on late-2014 iMac? I am frustrated updating with OCLP as now everything is stuck in the process. Please help
To revert back to Big Sur you must erase your disk as there is no uninstall option.

Option 1
- Backup all you data
- Download the latest Big Sur 11.7.10 from Mr. machintosh
InstallAssistant.pkg
- Create a USB installer using Apple instructions on the following link:
https://support.apple.com/en-eg/101578
- Boot from the created Install USB holding Option/ALT Key while after you hear the Chim.
- Using Disk Utility erase your Apple SSD Disk as APFS.
- Install macOS.

Option 2
- Boot into internet recovery using Option-Command-R
- Using Disk Utility erase your Apple SSD Disk as APFS.
- Install macOS wil download and install the latest supported macOS for your machine.

Good Luck
 

sfalatko

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Have you tried using a vpn? Then try the episode
VPN would not help. I have no issues in Monterey. In Sonoma on my cMP5,1 the video drivers are root patched and that breaks HDCP. I was hoping there was something with OCLP settings that I was missing.
 
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Mystere65

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Well if you get some spare time see if you can watch a free episode in the TV+ app. That's a great way to test DRM. In Monterey I can do that but in Sonoma I can't - the window opens and then closes when I try and play one of the free episodes.
iMac 13.1 plays perfectly unlike Mac pro 5.1... Mac Pro does not have AVX while iMac 13.1 does not have AVX2
 

Dummymac

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To revert back to Big Sur you must erase your disk as there is no uninstall option.

Option 1
- Backup all you data
- Download the latest Big Sur 11.7.10 from Mr. machintosh
InstallAssistant.pkg
- Create a USB installer using Apple instructions on the following link:
https://support.apple.com/en-eg/101578
- Boot from the created Install USB holding Option/ALT Key while after you hear the Chim.
- Using Disk Utility erase your Apple SSD Disk as APFS.
- Install macOS.

Option 2
- Boot into internet recovery using Option-Command-R
- Using Disk Utility erase your Apple SSD Disk as APFS.
- Install macOS wil download and install the latest supported macOS for your machine.

Good Luck

To revert back to Big Sur you must erase your disk as there is no uninstall option.

Option 1
- Backup all you data
- Download the latest Big Sur 11.7.10 from Mr. machintosh
InstallAssistant.pkg
- Create a USB installer using Apple instructions on the following link:
https://support.apple.com/en-eg/101578
- Boot from the created Install USB holding Option/ALT Key while after you hear the Chim.
- Using Disk Utility erase your Apple SSD Disk as APFS.
- Install macOS.

Option 2
- Boot into internet recovery using Option-Command-R
- Using Disk Utility erase your Apple SSD Disk as APFS.
- Install macOS wil download and install the latest supported macOS for your machine.

Good Luck
Thanks for your instruction. Will try option 2 as it is simpler to me.
 
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