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steve333

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I'm left scratching my head why I use Safari at all anymore.
Several times per day I have to stop using it and move to Chrome anyway.

I guess I just like the syncing of book marks and history, etc. with iOS. But I don't enjoy Safari not working with the web itself.
Me too. I much prefer the layout of Safari and that's why I have stuck with it.
To be fair, I tried Facebook on Brave and it was just as bad so this is a Facebook issue
 
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GlenK

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Don't know if this is a bug but it is strange. In the weather app on my MBP it always opens to the last Location I was looking at and that location is highlighted on the left sidebar.

Every time I open it on my Studio it opens to my current location and nothing is highlighted on the left sidebar. Like it better returning to the last location I had selected and like seeing the location selected as highlighted.
 

Brachaci

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So I am using Ventura for 3 days on my iMac 27 2020 and so far I can tell that the overall experience is good. Not great, but for majority of my workflow is OK. Few issues though:

- during a new user setup, while logging into iCloud account and confirming the two factor authentication I am encountering error: unable to contact server. The process of logging in then continues and I was able to start using the iMac. While setting up account for my wife, I experienced that even after logging in the iCloud account, in the system settings she is still prompted to login again, despite the setting are showing her as logged. Really strange bug, but it is not causing any functional issues with the iCloud usage (drive, mail, messages, calendars etc.)

- Right after that, I've enabled iCloud drive for Desktop and Documents and it all synced quite fast for Documents folder, except one folder which was on my Desktop. I logged in the www.icloud.com and saw the folder there, but I was only able to download it's content, not the actual folder with all its files. Right after I did download the content of the folder, the folder itself showed on my Desktop with all the files in it.

- The universal control does not work seamlessly for me. I have the iPad PRO 12.9 M1 and it takes couple minutes after login to my account for macOS to actually figure out that there is an iPad next to it despite the UC is enabled and used all the time before. Curious thing is that the mirroring or extending functionality for the iPad is working right away after I enable it.

- Stage manager: even I am not quite the target group for this functionality I haven't had major issues while using it. It is maybe nice to have and if you do not like to have messy desktop it makes your visual experience more clearer. But I am not really sure about the actual benefit. Also I was under the impression from the WWDC presentation that it should be more helpful for iPad users rather then desktop, but I am finding it more clumsy to use on the iPad then on the iMac.

- New system settings: The absence of NW location has been widely discussed and I think at some level you can still get to it. As for the design changes I understand that unifying the experience cross all platforms is one of Apples targets and as they are not there yet I am willing to accept some "stepbacks" if they are not ruining my overall experience. Also I believe human being is a creature of habits and that is all that I have to say on the design topic.

- One bug I have discovered while I was writing this comment. While copy pasting my text to text edit, it has messed up the color formatting. I am using dark mode on the MacRumors forums and so the font is white, but actually Ventura has copy it with black background and black font so the text in TextEdit is completely unreadable.

As for the overall performance, it is as good as was on Monterey. Also I remember more issues with early Monterey releases then with Ventura. But I accept the fact that I just may be lucky and somebody else can have different experience.
 

arw

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I'm surprised this isn't listed on the 1st page as since Monterey there are several threads about it:
Since Ventura (Big Sur > format > fresh install) I constantly get "Disk Not Ejected Properly" on USB storage devices that always worked before and still do on every other device and version of macOS.
They are USB-A devices connected via an 3rd party and also original Apple's Type-C adapter.
I cannot force it. Sometimes I can copy a file from the device, sometimes it terminates due to disk eject.
Apple's software quality really went down the toilet in the recent months/years...
MacBook Pro 13" 2020 (2TB, Intel)
 

fisherking

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I'm surprised this isn't listed on the 1st page as since Monterey there are several threads about it:
Since Ventura (Big Sur > format > fresh install) I constantly get "Disk Not Ejected Properly" on USB storage devices that always worked before and still do on every other device and version of macOS.
They are USB-A devices connected via an 3rd party and also original Apple's Type-C adapter.
I cannot force it. Sometimes I can copy a file from the device, sometimes it terminates due to disk eject.
Apple's software quality really went down the toilet in the recent months/years...
MacBook Pro 13" 2020 (2TB, Intel)
try resetting the smc..
 
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JPS127

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Oct 23, 2013
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"Loading installation information" just keeps spinning and spinning with no upgrade. Yet.
 

Brachaci

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I just find out that the UC control starts to work right after I move any app to my iPad via (Window --> Move to iPad). So when I use the iPad as extended display and turn it off the UC is suddenly working. This wasn't like that in Monterey so it must be a bug in Ventura.
 

Red29359

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Nov 6, 2022
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V-sync in OpenGL games is broken again with MacOS Ventura. V-sync on sets the FPS at 120 fps on my M2 MacBook Air even though my display is a 60 Hz display. This happened in MacOS Monterey last year but it was fixed with 12.1. But now its broken again with MacOS Ventura. These are photos of Minecraft on the V-sync problem.
Screenshot 2022-10-27 at 10.32.41 PM.png
Screenshot 2022-10-27 at 10.33.58 PM.png
 

Red29359

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I noticed that MacOS Ventura has a ram leak problem. The usage is excessive. For example, my window server sometimes uses 1 GB of ram even though all my apps are closed. Also the settings for the frequency of how frequent the Activity Monitor data updates do not save. So, for example, I have it set to 5 seconds, but every time I open the activity monitor, it still updates every 1 second and the settings then show that I it's still set on 5 seconds, so I then have to click on 5 seconds again for it to actually update at the correct frequency I set.
 
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gilby101

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I noticed that MacOS Ventura has a ram leak problem. The usage is excessive. For example, my window server sometimes uses 1 GB of ram even though all my apps are closed.
You need much more detail to claim a RAM leak. My WindowServer is currently 1.81 GB. Seems normal to me. What makes you say "leak"? Symptoms of a leak are continued increase in RAM usage. Is your WindowsServer's memory steadily increasing? Or is the usage just more than you think is needed or that you don't want your Mac to use its memory?

Also the settings for the frequency of how frequent the Activity Monitor data updates do not save.
I can't reproduce that. Mine is set to 5 Seconds and maintains that setting through application or system restarts. You could try exiting Activity Monitor, deleting ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.ActivityMonitor.plist (deletes all A-M preferences) and restarting Activity Monitor. You should also check that the file is being modified when you change settings.
 

Red29359

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You need much more detail to claim a RAM leak. My WindowServer is currently 1.81 GB. Seems normal to me. What makes you say "leak"? Symptoms of a leak are continued increase in RAM usage. Is your WindowsServer's memory steadily increasing? Or is the usage just more than you think is needed or that you don't want your Mac to use its memory?


I can't reproduce that. Mine is set to 5 Seconds and maintains that setting through application or system restarts. You could try exiting Activity Monitor, deleting ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.ActivityMonitor.plist (deletes all A-M preferences) and restarting Activity Monitor. You should also check that the file is being modified when you change settings.
I did that, and that did not fix the problem. I also tried reinstalling the MacOS Ventura operating system via recovery mode and that did not fix the problem either so its a Ventura bug on certain mac computers. I also can not select Activity Monitor for this file ethier. Also, yes it's a memory leak because the RAM is supposed to free up when you close your apps mostly, but for me, it does not as much as it is supposed to. After restarting the computer, the ram usage is much lower.
 
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pappkristof

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still no joy for Mighty Mouse in the prefpane but plist dropping appears to work now. you can assign squeeze buttons to exposé things by setting binds to button 4 in Mission Control prefs.
Hi! Can you please provide details how to do “plist dropping” to fix Mighty Mouse in Ventura?
Thanks
 

Killerbob

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I noticed that MacOS Ventura has a ram leak problem. The usage is excessive. For example, my window server sometimes uses 1 GB of ram even though all my apps are closed. Also the settings for the frequency of how frequent the Activity Monitor data updates do not save. So, for example, I have it set to 5 seconds, but every time I open the activity monitor, it still updates every 1 second and the settings then show that I it's still set on 5 seconds, so I then have to click on 5 seconds again for it to actually update at the correct frequency I set.
I don’t think you have a memory leak. I think you are dealing with programs that are not very good at working economically with memory. This sounds like normal behaviour and a heck of a lot better than what I have seen in past OS/App versions…
 
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Red29359

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Nov 6, 2022
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I don’t think you have a memory leak. I think you are dealing with programs that are not very good at working economically with memory. This sounds like normal behaviour and a heck of a lot better than what I have seen in past OS/App versions…
Ok, well, I guess then it is not a memory leak, then. However, how do I fix the Activity Monitor Update frequency? On my M2 MacBook Air running Ventura, the Activity Monitor, by default, updates at 1 second every time I open the app, but it is set to 5 seconds. I must click on 5 seconds again every time I open the app, so it usually updates. This is not normal, and I need help getting it to update 5 seconds by default. I tried everything; I tried to delete the Library/ActivityMoniter file and reinstall macOS Ventura, but that did not fix the problem. So I guess this is a bug with macOS Ventura then for some macs.
 

eelpout

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since I've upgraded to 13, Microsoft Edge (beta) "freezes" occasionally for about 20-25 seconds. One can click around the menus but nothing can be selected. It's like the main thread or thread for the current page gets stuck.

Edit: i've narrowed it down to an extension for Chrome/Edge called "Clutter Free." using Edge's Task Manager along with Activity Manager you can see the CPU spiking like crazy for about 10 seconds. I've turned it off and let the author know. Could be I have too many tabs open for it now. ;)
 
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gilby101

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However, how do I fix the Activity Monitor Update frequency?
Have you looked at ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.ActivityMonitor.plist. That is where the update frequency is stored about 3/4 of the way down. Mine says:
<key>UpdatePeriod</key>
<integer>5</integer>
As I suggest before, have you tried deleting this file and letting Activity Monitor recreate it?
Are its permissions blocking changes?
Reinstalling Ventura (unless by erasing the disk as first step) is not going to help as settings (plist) files are not replaced.
 
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Red29359

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Have you looked at ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.ActivityMonitor.plist. That is where the update frequency is stored about 3/4 of the way down. Mine says:
<key>UpdatePeriod</key>
<integer>5</integer>
As I suggest before, have you tried deleting this file and letting Activity Monitor recreate it?
Are its permissions blocking changes?
Reinstalling Ventura (unless by erasing the disk as first step) is not going to help as settings (plist) files are not replaced.
I did delete that file and had Activity Monitor recreate it but that did not fix the problem. I also can not find the key integer info. It is not there, I used command F and searched for the info on update frequency but nothing was found.
 
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gilby101

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I did delete that file and had Activity Monitor recreate it but that did not fix the problem. I also can not find the key integer info. It is not there, I used command F and searched for the info on update frequency but nothing was found.
Definitely something odd there. I checked with mine, changing update frequency immediately changes the key in the preferences plist. In your case, 1) AM is able to recreate the preference plist, but 2) AM is not updating the preferences. It is not a universal bug, but clearly there is something causing this on your Mac - I have no idea what.

Best I can suggest as potential workaround (not a proper solution) is to edit the plist and insert the UpdatePeriod key. Using BBEdit (not TextEdit) you can probably insert it anywhere at the 1 tab level. It is here in mine:
...
<key>NetworkGraphType</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>OpenMainWindow</key>
<true/>
<key>SelectedTab</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>ShowCategory</key>
<integer>100</integer>
<key>ShowCategoryAppsinLast12Hours</key>
<true/>
<key>UpdatePeriod</key>
<integer>5</integer>

<key>UserColumnSortPerTab</key>
....

Or, you could try inserting it immediately below the first <dict> in line 4.

That is me out of suggestions!
 
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Red29359

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Definitely something odd there. I checked with mine, changing update frequency immediately changes the key in the preferences plist. In your case, 1) AM is able to recreate the preference plist, but 2) AM is not updating the preferences. It is not a universal bug, but clearly there is something causing this on your Mac - I have no idea what.

Best I can suggest as potential workaround (not a proper solution) is to edit the plist and insert the UpdatePeriod key. Using BBEdit (not TextEdit) you can probably insert it anywhere at the 1 tab level. It is here in mine:
...
<key>NetworkGraphType</key>
<integer>1</integer>
<key>OpenMainWindow</key>
<true/>
<key>SelectedTab</key>
<integer>0</integer>
<key>ShowCategory</key>
<integer>100</integer>
<key>ShowCategoryAppsinLast12Hours</key>
<true/>
<key>UpdatePeriod</key>
<integer>5</integer>

<key>UserColumnSortPerTab</key>
....

Or, you could try inserting it immediately below the first <dict> in line 4.

That is me out of suggestions!
Screenshot 2022-11-08 at 9.53.11 AM.png

This is what my file looks like for me. Is this the right file? Also, I would never change anything like this at all. All I did was update to macOS Ventura and this problem started occurring. It is a bug with macOS Ventura on certain mac computer models.
 

gilby101

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This is what my file looks like for me.
I think you are using TextEdit. I did say to use BBEdit https://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/index.html which does understand plists.
All I did was update to macOS Ventura and this problem started occurring. It is a bug with macOS Ventura on certain mac computer models.
All we know so far is that one computer is having this problem.

What is the last modified and last opened date/time on the preference file?
Do these change when you change update frequency in AM?
What the permissions on the file?
Can you see the UpdatePeriod key in the plist file?
 
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