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MacPro: ATI X1900 XT Price Drop?!!?
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I'mAMac said:
No, it's a professional workstation. Quad Xeon computers are as much for consumers as a semi.
macgeek2005 said:
The fact that the upgrade to an arguably solid graphics card has just come down 100 bucks???
People that say the Mac Pro is overkill for consumers, are the people that wish they could afford a Mac Pro, and they are trying to make themselves feel better.
Any computer user would enjoy a Mac Pro. I mean, unless you're an old granny, looking up recepies and typing emails, you will notice a difference between the Mac Pro and the iMac.
Many users who do standard tasks, and some fun, such as iLife, maybe some light Final Cut Pro usage, will greatly enjoy the benefits of the Mac Pro.
The consumer computers are there for those that can't afford the Mac Pro, and don't NEED it.
The Mac Pro is there for anyone who wants the best mac they can get.
And on top of all that, it will last much longer, and it's upgradeable.
I call BS on anyone who claims that the Mac Pro is "overkill" for anyone or anything.
Any computer user would enjoy a Mac Pro. I mean, unless you're an old granny, looking up recepies and typing emails, you will notice a difference between the Mac Pro and the iMac.
Many users who do standard tasks, and some fun, such as iLife, maybe some light Final Cut Pro usage, will greatly enjoy the benefits of the Mac Pro.
The consumer computers are there for those that can't afford the Mac Pro, and don't NEED it.
The Mac Pro is there for anyone who wants the best mac they can get.
And on top of all that, it will last much longer, and it's upgradeable.
I call BS on anyone who claims that the Mac Pro is "overkill" for anyone or anything.
Well said. I think the big plus over the iMac is the upgradability. iMacs will last, but the mac pro will last longer.macgeek2005 said:
I have to agree the MacPro may be overkill, but it's also common sense. Just 4 or 5 years ago, I had NO idea I was going to capturing video in iMovie and burning DVDs. I had a G4 with nowhere near enough storage, no DVD burner and hardly enough processing power to handle all that. It could do it sure, but it was really slow.
What's on the horizon? HD. Encoding and playing it. Games that are going to keep pushing graphics higher and higher. And the plain and simple fact is that we have a Xeon chip now that uses a very decent amount of power and is at a very affordable price point.
What's on the horizon? HD. Encoding and playing it. Games that are going to keep pushing graphics higher and higher. And the plain and simple fact is that we have a Xeon chip now that uses a very decent amount of power and is at a very affordable price point.
I'mAMac said:
Yeah that's true. A faster than average computer is only 'overkill' for the average consumer until it becomes as fast as the average computer. Which for a Mac Pro will probably be about 1.5 years which is worth it imo. How long will it take for an iMac of equal spec to the current Mac Pros to come out?
Edit: After having a look over at lowendmac, it seems that it took 1 year 2 months for an iMac to come out with similar specs to the first G5 (in processor and base graphics). The G5 iMacs never got the same kind of FSB speeds though.
Very basically put, the people that can afford a Mac Pro buy one, and the people that can't say they don't need it.
macgeek2005 said:
How's life up there on your high horse and how does the world look with your extremely distorted version of reality. Not every 14 year old can convince their parents to buy them a $3000 computer for video games. Not every consumer wants a 65 lbs., $3000 box connected to another $700 display.
Saying that people who say the Mac Pro is overkill are the ones who wish they could afford one is an arrogant, immature, and just plain stupid way of seeing things. My sister doesn't need a Mac Pro, my dad doesn't need a Mac Pro, my friend just bought a MacBook because it was the perfect size for him and doesn't want a desktop, need I go on? I'll give you one more example. My parents run a multi-million dollar company off a Flower Power iMac G3. They could afford a Mac Pro for every day of the week, loaded to the gills with 2 30" displays per tower. Do they need it? No. Can they afford it? Of course. Consider your statement debunked. Call BS on that.
This arrogant, privileged, snot-nosed idea that people who say they don't need a Mac Pro because they can't afford it is naive and ridiculous in SO many ways, if I were to list them, it would require another 3 pages added to this thread. Grow up
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Xeon, schmeon....
Even if you don't want the quad, Apple forces you to buy it if you want:
When the New Form-Factor 64-bit Conroe Mini-Tower/Home-Theatre-PC arrives, then your slogan will make some sense.
Until then, since Apple's only selling a Mini-Cooper and a Suburban - a lot of people end up with the huge Suburban because they can't "fit their stuff" into a Mini.... ;(
While Grandmother and Great-Uncle Edwin don't need a quad-core system, many hobbyists who play with video and image files can appreciate the power of a quad.BenRoethig said:
Even if you don't want the quad, Apple forces you to buy it if you want:
- ECC memory
- more than 1 disk
- more than 1 optical
- more than 2 GiB of RAM
- more than 1 GbE NIC
- ...
When the New Form-Factor 64-bit Conroe Mini-Tower/Home-Theatre-PC arrives, then your slogan will make some sense.
Until then, since Apple's only selling a Mini-Cooper and a Suburban - a lot of people end up with the huge Suburban because they can't "fit their stuff" into a Mini.... ;(
MovieCutter said:How's life up there on your high horse and how does the world look with your extremely distorted version of reality. Not every 14 year old can convince their parents to buy them a $3000 computer for video games. Not every consumer wants a 65 lbs., $3000 box connected to another $700 display.
Saying that people who say the Mac Pro is overkill are the ones who wish they could afford one is an arrogant, immature, and just plain stupid way of seeing things. My sister doesn't need a Mac Pro, my mother doesn't need a Mac Pro (she's been running her multi-million dollar business on her Flower Power iMac G3 for the last 6 years, she can afford a Mac Pro, but doesn't want one or need one), my dad doesn't need a Mac Pro, my friend just bought a MacBook because it was the perfect size for him and doesn't want a desktop, need I go on?
This arrogant, privileged, snot-nosed idea that people who say they don't need a Mac Pro because they can't afford it is naive and ridiculous in SO many ways, if I were to list them, it would require another 3 pages added to this thread. Grow up
Well said. However, I dont think the people you mentioned would discredit the Mac Pro as overkill, which is what that poster was referring to.
Still a good point though. Moral of the story: Buy what you want while taking into consideration what you can afford.
Best .sig of the day....
Excellent, although my mother would have said "nobody gives a rat's #$$"MovieCutter said:
suneohair said:
My mother considers an Intel iMac overkill every time I try to get her to upgrade. My sister's iMac G5 will do more than what she wants for the next several years. My friend with the MacBook just entered his Junior year of college. Just needs to take notes and write papers and surf the web with email. He considers the Mac Pro cool, but overkill for his needs. Those in my community (high end video editors and filmmakers) lust after the Mac Pro. All of them can afford it, but some can't justify it, especially with Photoshop not being universal yet. Many people work in After Effects or high end Avid editing systems and need different computers for their work. The Mac Pro isn't the end-all solution for every computer user on the planet.
AidenShaw said:Excellent, although my mother would have said "nobody gives a rat's #$$"
That was my initial sig, but I needed something with harsher undertones.
suneohair said:Pardon my ignorance, but if your community consists of high end video editors and filmmakers, what difference does it make if PHOTOSHOP is not universal?
There is an increasing demand for Photoshop and After Effects in our workflows. Creating titles, masks, and other graphical elements is a daily thing, sometimes dealing with large HD size files. Many of us aren't JUST video editors. Some of us do graphic design and special effects in ADDITION to editing. After Effects especially. And Avid, which is the current king of video editing, is not yet universal and won't be until December. This is something that many of my editor friends use as their primary editing rig, and it simply won't work on an Intel Mac, so what good is the sheer power of the Mac Pro if the programs they use won't run on it?
MovieCutter said:
Last time I checked they run just fine. Chances are someone doing video is going to get more RAM so you can't use that argument.
Considering their MAIN apps are universal (I am assuming here) a Mac Pro would most assuredly be justified. Heck Photoshop ran in a usable way on my Intel iMac 20" with 512MB, I am sure a Mac Pro with 2GB could pump out the performance.
suneohair said:
There's a difference between "a usable way" and "time is money", especially when you're charging $150/hr and the client expects you not to be waiting for Photoshop to chug a composite or chugging rotoscoping effects. The point is, they don't NEED a machine that doesn't meet all their needs. I guess more to the point of Avid, again, if the superfast, kick ass workstation computer doesn't run a primary piece of software, then that superfast, kick ass workstation computer is as good as a doorstop. Don't get me wrong, they WILL go to a Mac Pro, and can AFFORD to go to a Mac Pro, what macgeek is saying is that people who say they don't need or want one are the people who can't afford it, this is plain wrong.
AidenShaw said:Excellent, although my mother would have said "nobody gives a rat's #$$"
i personally liked his old sig...."i'll sleep when i'm dead"
it's a good song as well
twoodcc said:
This sig is just a temporary one until my anger, frustration, and madness blow over. Thanks though...
AidenShaw said:
Gotta love Apple. You're either doing high end apps or you're reading emails. The 45% of the market who is in between should not apply.