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[Merged] Blackberry Storm - RIM's New Touchscreen Blackberry
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Something is wrong with your iphone. Take it in for service. Seriously. Mine has never done what you describe even once and I've had it since release in 2007, and been running v.2 since the day before it was released.
You're right that it's no longer the unique force it once was. And you're right that the storm is probably the most impressive iphone copycat yet. But you don't know nearly as much as you think. Here are a few things you're missing:
1) The iphone is iconic. Part of that comes from being first, part of it comes from it being apple, and part of it comes from a self-fulfilling media buzz. BB is a well known and well respected brand, but the only thing it's iconic for is being an unhealthy addiction for business types.
2) BB has thrown down the gauntlet with this product, but it's an unreleased product debuting months after the iphone 3G and it still lacks some basic features that the iphone 3G has (wifi being the most obvious and important). I know the iphone lacks some things the storm has, but when you're last-to-market, you better come with a clearly superior product, not a product that's better in some ways and worse in others.
3) Even apart from the fact that they've achieved icon status, the ipod and iphone have had such phenomenal success in large part because of their UI and ease of use. Granted, my only experience with bb is with an 8700, but that UI is nowhere near the iphone's. It's ugly, counterintuitive, and takes a lot of getting used to. Maybe the storm will do it better, but if bb can't match that out of the box ease of use that apple has down pat, they're going to get a rude reception in the non-business market.
I'm sure there's more, but that will do for now. The point is that the storm is a nice looking device, and bb will probably do a pretty good job with it. But you're way overhyping it, and selling the iphone way short.
The Blackberry Storm sell that many phones, pass me what you smoking son. We've been hearing all these so called iphone killers that are supposed to come and kill off the iphone but we're still waiting for whatever device that is, it sure ain't this. Please toss this one in the bin with others that have come along.
If the Storm does in fact only have 1GB of memory and no wi-fi, then we can close this discussion right now. No way is it going to be an "iPhone killer"!
Read below on the memory possibilities, WiFi i happen to agree with. I don't understand why they left that out?
It's nice to have this happen, we all benefit.
I think since the Storm is going to run on CDMA networks for the first little while, it will take up much of that market. The market that didnt run from Verizon to AT&T when the iPhone came out.
Storm will sell, iPhone will sell.
With the introduction of the Pearl, Pearl Flip, Curve, and Storm I think RIM has a solid line up of phones for non-business people. I see a ton of people who arent business men with a Curve or a Pearl. So dont kid your selves, RIM has a solid following from every sector of the market.
You know it has a SD card slot, so you can expand the memory up to 16gb. So technically it would have 17gb of memory. Making it better then the iPhone
I agree and should make the iPhone better with future update or releases. Competition is good for everyone. Also? It's reported as supporting up to 32GB when that is available.
I agree again.
This is one of the things that cripple both phones. I have always thought it's like shooting yourself in the foot by only have one carrier. BB uses how many carriers? Apple should get a clue and work towards embracing all the carriers if they want it ALL.
#5 like flipping a coin, lets hope Apple uses this to enhance the iPhone and make it better.
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OP, You want an MBA to respond to your post? Here goes:
I have an iPhone (mine) and a BB Curve (issued by my employer). The BB is a clunky old POS by comparison. The functionality is fine for picking up work emails and looking up people on a GAL, but the iPhone is much more accessible for general use. In the majority, the BB essentially has a defined business-biased market - the iPhone has a much wider appeal and that's reflected by demand and its buying demographic, which is much broader. Apple's advertising and the sheer uniqueness and exceptional refinement of the product at time of release meant that market awareness has rarely been higher for a single product. In terms of brand awareness in the consumer electronics market, only the Sony Walkman and the iPod come in the same bracket. Even if people don't have one, they know what one is. If I asked my grandmother what an iPhone was, she'd know. If I asked what a BlackBerry was, she'd look at me funny and say it was an autumn fruit.
BB is still a premium choice for a business to issue to their employees - the back end infrastructure and ongoing data plans need a business case and both capex investment and opex commitment, as well as a conscious decision to pay possibly as much as double per unit what they could get a basic cellular handset for. Most small and medium sized businesses just give their employees regular phones, unless they have a very enlightened FD.
As an aside, I have not ever, nor am I likely to any time soon, see queues round blocks in every major city to get a BlackBerry, no matter how good it is. I think that's quite significant in this debate.
I have an iPhone (mine) and a BB Curve (issued by my employer). The BB is a clunky old POS by comparison. The functionality is fine for picking up work emails and looking up people on a GAL, but the iPhone is much more accessible for general use. In the majority, the BB essentially has a defined business-biased market - the iPhone has a much wider appeal and that's reflected by demand and its buying demographic, which is much broader. Apple's advertising and the sheer uniqueness and exceptional refinement of the product at time of release meant that market awareness has rarely been higher for a single product. In terms of brand awareness in the consumer electronics market, only the Sony Walkman and the iPod come in the same bracket. Even if people don't have one, they know what one is. If I asked my grandmother what an iPhone was, she'd know. If I asked what a BlackBerry was, she'd look at me funny and say it was an autumn fruit.
BB is still a premium choice for a business to issue to their employees - the back end infrastructure and ongoing data plans need a business case and both capex investment and opex commitment, as well as a conscious decision to pay possibly as much as double per unit what they could get a basic cellular handset for. Most small and medium sized businesses just give their employees regular phones, unless they have a very enlightened FD.
As an aside, I have not ever, nor am I likely to any time soon, see queues round blocks in every major city to get a BlackBerry, no matter how good it is. I think that's quite significant in this debate.
OS is only one part of the equation unfortunately, and Apple needs a kick in the butt anyways (i'm looking at you, random Safari crashes )
And this is similar to the classic Windows vs. OS X argument - one is much better geared towards business, and the other to end user
The ability to look at and edit the MS Office suite via phone, the better push and sync features of the BB, copy/paste, etc. is much better suited to the business user. What BB is doing with this phone ultimately is to convince users to stick with their phones (the ones that were on the edge about UI, since hardcore business users are probably sticking with their BB phone anyways) and use the new flashy touchscreen to lure those on the fence with the iPhone to go the other direction.
I will say this though - the hardware suite for the Storm with CDMA & GSM is impressive for those of us who travel worldwide a lot. Having to unlock my phone just to take a SIM elsewhere is annoying as hell.
)And this is similar to the classic Windows vs. OS X argument - one is much better geared towards business, and the other to end user
The ability to look at and edit the MS Office suite via phone, the better push and sync features of the BB, copy/paste, etc. is much better suited to the business user. What BB is doing with this phone ultimately is to convince users to stick with their phones (the ones that were on the edge about UI, since hardcore business users are probably sticking with their BB phone anyways) and use the new flashy touchscreen to lure those on the fence with the iPhone to go the other direction.
I will say this though - the hardware suite for the Storm with CDMA & GSM is impressive for those of us who travel worldwide a lot. Having to unlock my phone just to take a SIM elsewhere is annoying as hell.
The ability to edit Office docs on a BB is vastly overrated. The screen res is too small to look at Powerpoints meaningfully, Excel cells are so large that only a tiny proportion of the spreadsheet is visible - essentially worse than useless, and in Word documents, tables simply do not get displayed other than the column headers (if at all), which in certain documents means they simply cannot be read or understood.
There's room for improvement then, I feel.
There's room for improvement then, I feel.
My brother went? Does that give me like 1/2 say?
Will the Storm take some iPhone sales? Likely....will it "severely dent" iPhone sales? I doubt it...that might depend on your definition of that term, but Apple is the 2nd highest cell phone in the US, so I doubt they are too worried. And "interrupt product cycle"...I'm not even sure what you mean there...Apple will be forced to release a new iPhone sooner? I wouldn't bet on it, and if it happened, how is that bad?(assume its a good phone)..maybe some software updates to address MMS, Copy/Paste, BT etc, but again thats good for consumers.
It's hard to take your analysis seriously when you don't use proper punctuation, paragraphs or proper capitalization.
Competition is good for everyone it spurs innovation. Rim has a new product, Apple will have a new product.
Rim is now in the process of launching three new models, they only have the BB product to draw revenue from. The changing business climate will also be difficult as many businesses will start to cut back on shiny bobbles. So all is not rosy for RIM. They too will have their share of difficulties.
Competition is good for everyone it spurs innovation. Rim has a new product, Apple will have a new product.
Rim is now in the process of launching three new models, they only have the BB product to draw revenue from. The changing business climate will also be difficult as many businesses will start to cut back on shiny bobbles. So all is not rosy for RIM. They too will have their share of difficulties.
i agree. it looks like a well thought piece of hardware.
maybe that will spur Apple to release a cut and paste sw update.
the video feature looks neat. I don't know how great the quality would be, but a great option.
i still love my iphone though
maybe that will spur Apple to release a cut and paste sw update.
the video feature looks neat. I don't know how great the quality would be, but a great option.
i still love my iphone though
That's my feeling as well (I have a personal iphone 2G and a bb 8700 from work). I can't imagine being "addicted" to the bb... its interface is so clunky and unfriendly that I can't wait to put it down.
That said, the storm will be using a whole new interface (the classic bb navigation system is obviously out), so I'll reserve judgment until I get to use the storm in person. I don't think it will match the iphone OS/UI, but maybe RIM will surprise us.
Well said Marky, Blackberry may be good for business but when it comes to sheer public appeal, nothing comes close to iPhone, this is a phone people lined up to buy, when was the last time someone lined up to buy a blackberry, this phone will end up like the other so called iPhone killers.
blackberry storm... wont' have pinch feature right?
is the blackberry storm able to pink a picture to zoom in and out. im just curious, cause if not then it sucks lol. also any pics on what the browser looks like or a site i can test its use.
is the blackberry storm able to pink a picture to zoom in and out. im just curious, cause if not then it sucks lol. also any pics on what the browser looks like or a site i can test its use.
im not sure if apple has patented the pinch feature.
Im not sure why you say the bold sucks if it doesnt. Frankly i was shocked to find apple destroys the quality of photos when putting them onto the device. With such a revolutionary zoom feature, why make your photos always pixelate when zooming in 2x??? And the photos still take up the same size after they are downconverted.
Wtf is up with that?
Im not sure why you say the bold sucks if it doesnt. Frankly i was shocked to find apple destroys the quality of photos when putting them onto the device. With such a revolutionary zoom feature, why make your photos always pixelate when zooming in 2x??? And the photos still take up the same size after they are downconverted.
Wtf is up with that?
It seems that it will not have WI-FI, so the roaming charges for your data connection when abroad will kill your company billing...
It might be the world edition to only keep the carriers happy.
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/28372
The rest of the features are very interesting.
How nice and interesting nowadays the industry is evolving due to the changes that the iPhone brought to the market.
It might be the world edition to only keep the carriers happy.
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/28372
The rest of the features are very interesting.
How nice and interesting nowadays the industry is evolving due to the changes that the iPhone brought to the market.
The pinch has been around since at least 1982. Sun even made a movie showing it in 1992. See this article from an ex-Apple, ex-Sun guru (MultiTouch UIs) and the famous UI movie about Starfire.
Exactly. Zoom can be done many ways, and often in easier ways for one-handed operation than the pinch.
Get a local SIM. Something the iPhone cannot do.
The industry has used touchscreens for a long long time... and touch-friendly UIs were already being shown off. It was just slow in coming, and Apple sped that up a bit.
I find it funny how so many people here are so concerned with the storm. Regardless of its success or features, are your iPhones suddenly that much worse?
Even if it has all the features the iPhone lacks, i still love it now, so I dont see how some new phone can changes at all how the iPhone works.
Even if it has all the features the iPhone lacks, i still love it now, so I dont see how some new phone can changes at all how the iPhone works.
Although I wish it had it for home use, I have lots of friends and family with Verizon or Sprint EVDO phones who have never missed WiFi.
The iPhone mostly had WiFi because Apple was aware of how slow EDGE could be, and later because they knew that ATT's 3G network was kind of slim. Remember back at its introduction? Jobs kept saying, oh don't worry about EDGE, you can fail over to WiFi.