[Merged] No Flash?

[Looon]

I can't believe people have actually brainwashed themselves into thinking they don't need flash.

Enjoy browsing PHONE optimized sites (made for tiny screens) on your pretty new ipad screen.
We get it, flash sucks. But the fact is every site that actually matters uses it in some form.

 

[puffnstuff]

What, a video player? You made that? I downloaded Chrome even and couldn't get anything to play, they were still in Flash. At any rate, I was thinking more along the lines of 3D interactive animations, etc..

http://www.canvasdemos.com/

 

[Kadman]

Since Apple's support for Flash is crap and causes even their most modern & sophisticated systems to whimper & die (while a $199 Windows Netbook doesn't blink an eye), people would rather bash it than simply face the fact that it's an Apple issue. The vast majority of the world simply looks at the plight of the Mac user and says, "whatever, works fine for me" and goes on with life. It's not going away. Stop being one of Steve's lemmings and start demanding better Flash support on Apple platforms.

 

[coolbreeze]

Lack of flash will lead to high return rates.

Imagine the simplicity of this device. You go "wow, my uncle would LOVE one of these. He just discovered online TV and I'm gonna get one for his birthday."

Uncle receives the iPhad. Goes to hulu. Doesn't work.

Hmm. Not many really creative websites work. Is something wrong? Is it me? Surely I must be doing something wrong?!

Uncle returns it to the AAPL store, confused about the hype.

The general public (not tech geeks) will flock to this device. Most stuff will work just fine, but when it comes to flash, Adobe and Apple need to kiss and make up already.

 

[Zerg]

Are you kidding? Flash is a proprietary product from Adobe. While the browsing experience might be limited by lack of Flash, this should show you how pervasive this technology is.

The future is HTML5:

"HTML5 aims to reduce the need for proprietary plug-in-based rich Internet application (RIA) technologies such as Adobe Flash, Microsoft Silverlight, and Sun JavaFX."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5

Flash is very 1998, .. time to move on..

 

[Hankster]

Im a web designer and I'm sorry all you mac fans, but flash is here forever.

People who are saying that flash is only good for youtube and that there's already a app for it are missing the point of flash. It is there for the wow! factor, for those presentations and experiences.

Apple are never going to get rid of flash, especially with the ratio of apps to flash games.They aren't going to be able to stop flash games, this are created mostly by people who actually understand what the internet is for, freedom. They aren't going to be told that they shouldn't use it because Steve Jobs doesn't like it. He doesn't like many things which is Apples biggest flaw. Apple is trying to shovel snow in a blizzard.

+1 Been there and done that. Flash is here to stay AND the web will be MORE Flash dependent in the future. This was a VERY BAD MISTAKE by Jobs.

This product was suppose to be the best web browsing experience - ever! Yet, FireFox, IE, Mozilla, and Safari on a computer gives BETTER browsing experience.

 

[Jack Flash]

Since Apple's support for Flash is crap and causes even their most modern & sophisticated systems to whimper & die (while a $199 Windows Netbook doesn't blink an eye), people would rather bash it than simply face the fact that it's an Apple issue. The vast majority of the world simply looks at the plight of the Mac user and says, "whatever, works fine for me" and goes on with life. It's not going away. Stop being one of Steve's lemmings and start demanding better Flash support on Apple platforms.

Get it right. It's Adobe's issue coding software improperly, not Apple's.

 

[Nostromo]

Let's see what the first revision of this device will be.

With a real OS, USB, flash support, decent RAM, and, above all, at least 128 Gb of hdd space.

 

[Aranince]

I personally hate flash, so it's not that big of a deal for me (HTML5 is the future). But I think this could be added to future versions if Apple wanted to.

 

[mainomega]

Zerg, you have made the strongest point.

 

[coolbreeze]

Are you kidding?While the browsing experience might be limited by lack of Flash...

Exactly.

Go to a grocery store. Ask the average consumer what they know about web standards and trends.

Report back.

My Aunt just checked her aol email, BTW.

Not everyone is as tech savvy and advanced as us. Flash isn't going anywhere and it's essential on this device.

Of course I'm wrong around here, but time will tell.

 

[calderone]

Exactly.

Go to a grocery store. Ask the average consumer what they know about web standards and trends.

Report back.

My Aunt just checked her aol email, BTW.

Not everyone is as tech savvy and advanced as us. Flash isn't going anywhere and it's essential on this device.

Of course I'm wrong around here, but time will tell.

Or will it go away as more devices exclude Flash and more sites adopt HTML5? Hmmmm.

 

[Looon]

Are you kidding? Flash is a proprietary product from Adobe. While the browsing experience might be limited by lack of Flash, this should show you how pervasive this technology is.

The future is HTML5:

"HTML5 aims to reduce the need for proprietary plug-in-based rich Internet application (RIA) technologies such as Adobe Flash, Microsoft Silverlight, and Sun JavaFX."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5

Flash is very 1998, .. time to move on..

Congrats to HTML5
call me when people are actually using it, then maybe I'll give a crap

 

[Zerg]

Congrats to HTML5
call me when people are actually using it, then maybe I'll give a crap

Are you kidding? Google has been in the process of converting YouTube over to HTML5.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...port_html5.php

H264 encoding blows away Flash any day of the week.

 

[coolbreeze]

Or will it go away as more devices exclude Flash and more sites adopt HTML5? Hmmmm.

Listen, I'm all for NO FLASH ON THE INTHARWEBHS but I'm also a realist.

It's not going away overnight, in a month, in a year, or in five years.

HTML5, ABCDEFG 13, whatever the new thing is, Flash will be with us for a long time.

Have fun explaining to grandma why hulu won't work. I'm just going to say get a 13" MBP to prevent a vortex of confusion and angst.

My take, at least.

 

[Looon]

Are you kidding? Google has been in the process of converting YouTube over to HTML5.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives...port_html5.php

H264 encoding blows away Flash any day of the week.

Cool
one website
out of how many?

 

[marksman]

Exactly.

Go to a grocery store. Ask the average consumer what they know about web standards and trends.

Report back.

My Aunt just checked her aol email, BTW.

Not everyone is as tech savvy and advanced as us. Flash isn't going anywhere and it's essential on this device.

Of course I'm wrong around here, but time will tell.

What does your aunt's knowledge of technology have to do with anything?

With more and more mobile units under apple's control hitting the market every day, more and more websites will make the rational choice to cater to the widest audience possible and abandon flash. Flash is not magic. It actually kind of sucks. Web developers need to be smarter and not exclude a significant part of their audience.

It doesn't matter how or why Apple does it. If the users/viewers are using their devices, the web developers need to adapt.

 

[Zerg]

Hulu?! Ya because the videos are of such great quality! No ad's, always works perfectly. You've got to be kidding me.

The iPad has it's faults but lack of Flash isn't one of them IMO.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

One thing I do agree on, is that a screen that huge should have the FULL browser experience. I can forgive a device as small as the iPhone which is no big deal not having flash, but 9.7 inches without flash is a no-no.

 

[Looon]

Hulu?! Ya because the videos are of such great quality! No ad's, always works perfectly. You've got to be kidding me.

The iPad has it's faults but lack of Flash isn't one of them IMO.

Because Hulu is the only site that uses flash right?

 

[Zerg]

Cool
one website
out of how many?

Used the Google Voice site on a iPhone lately?

 

[calderone]

Listen, I'm all for NO FLASH ON THE INTHARWEBHS but I'm also a realist.

It's not going away overnight, in a month, in a year, or in five years.

HTML5, ABCDEFG 13, whatever the new thing is, Flash will be with us for a long time.

Have fun explaining to grandma why hulu won't work. I'm just going to say get a 13" MBP to prevent a vortex of confusion and angst.

My take, at least.

Then recommend to grandma that she not buy an iPad. See, all done.

 

[Looon]

Used the Google Voice site on a iPhone lately?

Cool
two websites
out of how many?


I think you're missing the point buddy.

 

[Zerg]

Maybe if we put Internet Explorer with Flash installed on the iPad then it would be much better!

Oh wait, no we'd need a SD card slot, and X and Y and Z. Hell, just take a laptop, remove the keyboard! Oh wait, Microsoft tried that and it failed. Don't worry, they are cooking it up right now, Zune Tablet just like the Zune Phone. You'll be much happier with that. Windows Mobile is very superior to the iPhone OS.

 

[iMav]

What? No Shockwave??!???