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Cnasty

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They did that sale about 2 weeks ago at best buy, but I think its like $179 right now. People think the new one will be out some time maybe in the summer, but who knows. Oh and thanks. It actually took some time to get it to look the way I wanted.

I think it stays connected over WiFi, but I am not sure. The android wear app has updated, but I have not gotten the update on the watch.

I see new ones going for $200 on swappa. In your opinion is it worth it and have you seen improvements on battery life since the update?
 

kdarling

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Oh and the ok google goes away. Its just up there when the face first turns on

Note that if you actually use "OK Google" about five times, the annoying newbie reminder prompt will go away. Say something like these, and wait for their responses:

OK Google, what's the weather today?
OK Google, set an alarm for 6 PM.
OK Google, when's my next meeting?
OK Google, take a note: Try the new restaurant on Main Street.
OK Google, stop telling me OK Google.

Although I've seen it come back much later on sometimes. Perhaps when I've re-paired after switching to another watch for a while. Not sure.

Would anyone with one of these say the software has been optimized since original purchase?

Yes.

For example, early Wear watches like the Moto 360 got a bad rep at first for battery life, but later software updates helped a great deal.

Just as with Apple's watch, how long the battery lasts, depends on how much you use it, how bright you keep it, and how far the device is kept from its smartphone mothership. Also, many Wear devices have an always-on or ambient watchface mode, which you can use or not.

With light use (but worn all day and night), the used Moto 360 I bought off eBay went 24 hours with ambient mode on, and 36 hours with ambient mode off.

I decided to see how long it would last as just a watch, so I put it into airplane mode last Thursday morning at 7 AM. It's now been three and a half days, and it's down to 10%. If it makes it through 7 AM tomorrow, that's four full days.

Some do worse. Some do better. I'm checking out several right now just for my own interest.
 

bmac4

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I see new ones going for $200 on swappa. In your opinion is it worth it and have you seen improvements on battery life since the update?
I got the watch after the update, so I can't says what the battery life was before the update, but it's been great for me.
 

jrswizzle

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With recent smartwatches, I'd say the 2012 I'm Watch, running Android, from fashion conscious Italy went the true luxury route first. From their luxury collection brochure:

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They have Sport models for $250, titanium for $900, and then they go into silver and gold, and even diamond encrusted, models from $2,000 to $20,000.

Going back much further, it was IBM back in 2000 that started the whole idea of "digital jewelry", where each piece was a fashionable part of the whole:

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Indeed, this is a huge advantage for the Apple Watch.

However, if Apple wasn't terrified of direct competition, and actually opened up all their internal APIs, it is easy to imagine that many people would go for less expensive (and differently shaped!) alternatives.

Also, we already see GPS and NFC in the Sony Smartwatch 3. I bet we see more and more of this kind of thing in the coming year with other Android Wear devices.

As we all keep noting, competition is terrific for us customers.


Did those sell millions?

Notice I said "compete".
 

Lloydbm41

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Apple sold millions of watch preorders with people not even seeing or trying them on first. That says more to me than anything else.

Yep. Apple could have a block of wood with an Apple logo on it sell approx 1 million pre-orders. The die hard fans will buy anything with a logo on it. Doesn't matter what it is. The real question will be how many watches Apple sells once all the pre-orders are filled.
I'm fairly confident it will sell about as much or less than the quantities we see sold on the Apple TV. Of course, that will still be more than any other company.
 

burgman

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Yep. Apple could have a block of wood with an Apple logo on it sell approx 1 million pre-orders. The die hard fans will buy anything with a logo on it. Doesn't matter what it is. The real question will be how many watches Apple sells once all the pre-orders are filled.
I'm fairly confident it will sell about as much or less than the quantities we see sold on the Apple TV. Of course, that will still be more than any other company.
Nothing says hate like calling millions of Apple customers stupid and unable to decide what works for them. When will we move past this childish posting.
 

Lloydbm41

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Nothing says hate like calling millions of Apple customers stupid and unable to decide what works for them. When will we move past this childish posting.

I said nothing of the sort. But trying to reword what I said is childish indeed.

And if you want to deny that there aren't über-Apple fans that buy anything with an Apple logo on it, then you really need to get out more.
 

diamond.g

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Yes.

For example, early Wear watches like the Moto 360 got a bad rep at first for battery life, but later software updates helped a great deal.

Just as with Apple's watch, how long the battery lasts, depends on how much you use it, how bright you keep it, and how far the device is kept from its smartphone mothership. Also, many Wear devices have an always-on or ambient watchface mode, which you can use or not.

With light use (but worn all day and night), the used Moto 360 I bought off eBay went 24 hours with ambient mode on, and 36 hours with ambient mode off.

I decided to see how long it would last as just a watch, so I put it into airplane mode last Thursday morning at 7 AM. It's now been three and a half days, and it's down to 10%. If it makes it through 7 AM tomorrow, that's four full days.

Some do worse. Some do better. I'm checking out several right now just for my own interest.

The problem is, no one here will believe such results (I routinely go a whole weekend without charging my Moto 360). What makes the results more impressive, is the all the things that suck power down ('crappy' 2010 SOC, LED Display) for such a "small" battery.
 

bmac4

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Did those sell millions?

Notice I said "compete".
Apple did sell millions in preorders, and destroyed the completion in terms of sells numbers. I am not sure what this shows though. These were people buying a smartwatch for the most part on a watch they had never seen in person. I give credit to Apple's marketing department as usual, but sales don't always mean the best product. I think again we are getting back into a matter of opinion.

Again I think Apple did a great job of marketing, and they have created a fan base like no other. I don't think another company will ever see fans like this again. The true test will be how the watch holds up to the completion for the rest of the year. After the preorders have died down, and the excitement of a new Apple product is over. Will the watch be good enough. I am not saying its not, but we will see. I saw somewhere that Apple decided not to make another small phone this year, and wait until next year because the iPhone 5s is selling better than any other last gen phone Apple has ever made. Now that tells you how good that phone is. Let's see is Apple can create something like that in the smartwatch category.
 

burgman

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I said nothing of the sort. But trying to reword what I said is childish indeed.

And if you want to deny that there aren't über-Apple fans that buy anything with an Apple logo on it, then you really need to get out more.
Thanks for proving my point. ;)
 

burgman

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Curious you don't think such fans exists?
Curious you, and others seem to think there isn't a rabid core of fans in Music, Fashion, Electronics, operating systems, cars, motorcycles and most other consumer goods. If you, and others posting this over and over, believe that Apple is unique in having fanboys, To quote a recent post
"then you really need to get out more."
 

gotluck

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Curious you, and others seem to think there isn't a rabid core of fans in Music, Fashion, Electronics, operating systems, cars, motorcycles and most other consumer goods. If you, and others posting this over and over, believe that Apple is unique in having fanboys, To quote a recent post
"then you really need to get out more."

I don't think anyone rivals Apple's abilities on this subject. I'd be curious to see who else you think has this kind of pull. Apple is unique imo
 

Robisan

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I don't think anyone rivals Apple's abilities on this subject. I'd be curious to see who else you think has this kind of pull. Apple is unique imo

At the next Apple product reveal fap-fest Tim Cook should announce an Apple-branded Kool-aid and then just drop the mike...
 

Technarchy

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Apple sold millions of watch preorders with people not even seeing or trying them on first. That says more to me than anything else.

It says Apple has a reputation for making an overall quality product that can be easily returned if you don't like it, and is well supported long after the time of purchase.

Motorola would be well served by trying to work up a similar reputation.
 

Fanaticalism

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It says Apple has a reputation for making an overall quality product that can be easily returned if you don't like it, and is well supported long after the time of purchase.

Motorola would be well served by trying to work up a similar reputation.

That is your interpretation and perception of the brand. Reviewers have said that it is the better of the watches available today from a build perspective but doesn't differentiate much in the functionality category and is by no means a product without its fundamental flaws.

If we were to take what Apple personifies through brand and consumer association, those things would be (IMO):

Intuitive
Polished UX
HQ Materials and craftsmanship

The apple watch nailed 1 of 3

How many people have you encountered that were looking to preorder the watch? Outside of forums I mean, as these are typically the extreme end of enthusiasts for any given product or brand.

For me, those that I came across were looking to purchase for one of three reasons:

Wanted to the be first to have one
Wanted it because its an apple product
Wanted it because they believed nothing else existed with the same feature set

Now, these are my interactions and no one elses and obviously don't speak to the masses.

Apple has excellent customer support but in the simplest of meanings, everything comes with a 1 yr manufacturer warranty and if you're in the UK you're supported even longer.

If you scroll through the threads you'll see that the main use case people are finding the apple watch at its best is for notifications (duh, right?). These same people scoffed at the idea of a smartwatch and always said that is what the phone was for. That sounds like a rationalization to keep it to me, which in my mind is more a result of the strength of brand than the functionality of the device itself. People are actually saying that it is changing their lives... I mean really?
 

Cnasty

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These are now $179 on the PlayStore.

So close to pulling the trigger but cant decide between silver and black.
 

kdarling

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Has anyone had issues with watchmaker pro watch faces using up the battery on your 360?

I think I had one chewing up the battery on my LG Watch R last week.

It was either that, or an app I installed that watched system CPU usage.

In either case, my watch dropped from going 48 hours, to just 24 hours.

Not having time to figure it out, I deleted the taskwatcher, and switch to a different watchface. So, alas, I don't know which one it was yet (or if it was both!).
 

kdarling

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Did those sell millions?

High or low, it doesn't change the fact that they existed.

Just ask any true Apple fan if sales numbers matter. Heck, the Apple II and Mac only sold a small fraction of the numbers of other computers, but they're still counted as competition.

Notice I said "compete".

What does the Apple Watch compete with? Just the Pebble, mostly. Not much else works with the iPhone, and Apple keeps critical APIs to themselves to prevent others from having the same functionality as their own watch.

If Apple allowed direct watch competition, you bet that many iPhone owners would buy the less expensive and/or round watches from others. But Apple doesn't, and that ensures they have no other real competition.

All that obviousness aside, what I was replying to, was this claim:

The AW is the first smart watch to actually compete as a piece of luxury jewelry and not just a gadget.

There were other smartwatches before Apple came along, that competed for the wrist by claiming to be a piece of jewelry and not just a gadget. I've already noted the Italian based I'm Watch luxury series from 2012 as one very good example, with aluminum Sport and then higher luxury levels, similar to what Apple later did.

Moreover, six months before the Apple Watch was even shown off, Motorola was touting the Moto 360 as being a watch designed to honor horological tradition, and which used quality, fashionable materials to compete with the other mostly plastic smartwatches of the period.

These Moto 360 videos from March 2014 are like watching precursors to the later Apple Watch videos.

 
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burgman

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I don't think anyone rivals Apple's abilities on this subject. I'd be curious to see who else you think has this kind of pull. Apple is unique imo
I'm guessing you never rode a BMW motorcycle to a Harley rally. Or attended a Comic con convention. Or been to a Formula one race. Or any FIFA Worldcup match, or watched one in a bar. Or watched a Super Bowl game. Or...Yeah you ,and many other internet wonks ,need to get out more ;)
 
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gotluck

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I'm guessing you never rode a BMW motorcycle to a Harley rally. Or attended a Comic con convention. Or been to a Formula one race. Or any FIFA Worldcup match, or watched one in a bar. Or watched a Super Bowl game. Or...Yeah you ,and many other internet wonks ,need to get out more ;)

None of those companies have sold the kind of product apple (entirely new product categories too I might add) has without their customers even seeing it in person.

I agree they are passionate, but thats not translating into sales like it does for apple.

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Keep it up with the personal attacks though
 

diamond.g

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Wow, massive thread derail...



Anyhow, has anyone else noticed that sometimes the Moto360 doesn't like going into settings. Meaning if you select settings the watch goes back to the display face as if nothing happened, and from that point you have to turn the display off then on again for it to recognize touches?
 

Fanaticalism

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Wow, massive thread derail...



Anyhow, has anyone else noticed that sometimes the Moto360 doesn't like going into settings. Meaning if you select settings the watch goes back to the display face as if nothing happened, and from that point you have to turn the display off then on again for it to recognize touches?

I've experienced the issue of being kicked back to the homescreen but never the lack of response after the fact.
 
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