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jamezr

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My guess would be that using a metal rear panel changes the antenna dynamics considerably and what works for plastic or leather may not work for metal. I'd love to see one as well but considering this potential problem, understand why they may choose to omit the offering.

My greatest concern with Moto is that it's best days are behind it now that Lenovo is running the show. Lenovo phones follow a distinctly different philosophy and I'm just worried that they are going to steer the Motorola 'ship' in an entirely different direction. I certainly hope I'm wrong.
There are some metal phones out there now. The iphone and M9 right off the top of my head.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Lenovo at the helm. Don't know much of Moto will be left in the next couple of transition years ahead.
 

tbayrgs

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There are some metal phones out there now. The iphone and M9 right off the top of my head.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Lenovo at the helm. Don't know much of Moto will be left in the next couple of transition years ahead.

Of course there are other metal phones. My only point was that the necessary antenna layout for a Moto X with a metal rear panel may be very different from what's required on the same phone using a plastic or leather material. And since it's all one basic design, the dynamics of the phone may be quite different depending on the build materials one choose with MotoMaker, i.e. the phone you just built with the black leather gets one level of reception while the same phone with the metal back gets a completely different level of reception.

I don't think Motorola wants to design what could essentially be two different phones to accommodate this differences.
 

epicrayban

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I predict Motorola won't be straying very far from their design of the 2014 moto x. Just tweaks and the obvious hardware upgrades. Maybe new moto maker options. S'about it I bet.

If true, will that be enough for them to compete?
 

jamezr

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I predict Motorola won't be straying very far from their design of the 2014 moto x. Just tweaks and the obvious hardware upgrades. Maybe new moto maker options. S'about it I bet.

If true, will that be enough for them to compete?
I am not sure if that will be enough. Look at HTC and staying the course with their designs. The problem with the whole Moto Maker process is it doesn't allow design changes to their process. If they go to a more premium design say like the S6 how will that work with designing your own phones? It really is not feasible. So Moto kinda locked themselves into this customization scheme for now.
 

epicrayban

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I am not sure if that will be enough. Look at HTC and staying the course with their designs. The problem with the whole Moto Maker process is it doesn't allow design changes to their process. If they go to a more premium design say like the S6 how will that work with designing your own phones? It really is not feasible. So Moto kinda locked themselves into this customization scheme for now.

I agree.

Wonder what the unlocked price will be, too...
 

MRU

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Probably around $499/549 or €499/549 similar to Moto X 2014 when it released. Which in fairness is a good €100-150 cheaper than some of its competitors.

I just hope they don't just go bumping up specs like Snapdragon 810, QHD, 20mp camera, 3gb ram and forget that other than ram there, it's not about how big the spec sheet is - it's the quality of the component too.

I'd happily settle for Snapdragon 805, 1080p and 13mp camera as long as Processor and battery are fast and efficient, screen quality is excellent with both colour accuracy and outdoor visibility, 13mp sensor is fine again as long as it's a better sensor with OIS and higher aperture rating.

Too many times Android phones run a spec race and often make shortcuts to reach the high spec sheet either in software or in quality of those high specs.

Comparing the QHD screen of say a Note 4 to Nexus 6 and it's clear not all screens are the same regardless of resolution and same goes for camera, processor, battery etc...

Just up the quality and give me a phones that's as snappy and responsive as Moto X 2014 and Nexus 6 undeniably are and I'll be happy.
 

epicrayban

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Probably around $499/549 or €499/549 similar to Moto X 2014 when it released. Which in fairness is a good €100-150 cheaper than some of its competitors.

I just hope they don't just go bumping up specs like Snapdragon 810, QHD, 20mp camera, 3gb ram and forget that other than ram there, it's not about how big the spec sheet is - it's the quality of the component too.

I'd happily settle for Snapdragon 805, 1080p and 13mp camera as long as Processor and battery are fast and efficient, screen quality is excellent with both colour accuracy and outdoor visibility, 13mp sensor is fine again as long as it's a better sensor with OIS and higher aperture rating.

Too many times Android phones run a spec race and often make shortcuts to reach the high spec sheet either in software or in quality of those high specs.

Comparing the QHD screen of say a Note 4 to Nexus 6 and it's clear not all screens are the same regardless of resolution and same goes for camera, processor, battery etc...

Just up the quality and give me a phones that's as snappy and responsive as Moto X 2014 and Nexus 6 undeniably are and I'll be happy.


That camera will be the real test. Motorola's post-processing software never seemed very strong in the past...

For me, personally, it'll need to match or best the S6 camera's results for me to even consider it.
 

jamezr

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Camera is really motos only problem in my eyes
Camera is just one part for me. They need to step up the features and responsiveness of the phone. It just feels sluggish to me. It would be great to have more premium build materials too. You can only go so far with the rubberized feel and colors combos.
 

gotluck

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Camera is just one part for me. They need to step up the features and responsiveness of the phone. It just feels sluggish to me. It would be great to have more premium build materials too. You can only go so far with the rubberized feel and colors combos.

As long as they keep it close to stock android as possible, that is what appeals to me most about moto. We have enough skinned devices as it is. Surprised to hear the comments about responsiveness

I can overlook build materials when paying a lower price, particularly during the good sales moto has. I would rather have premium hardware parts with rubberized feel than premium build quality with less than ideal hardware. I prefer going caseless anyway, with glass screen protector. The more premium the build quality, the more careful you have to be when going naked.
 

MRU

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As long as they keep it close to stock android as possible, that is what appeals to me most about moto. We have enough skinned devices as it is. Surprised to hear the comments about responsiveness
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Yeah never had any speed issues with my Moto X 2014 tbh. It was always very snappy and responsive. I actually think it's a little snappier than the Nexus 6 which lets face it is just an oversized Moto X 2014.

I don't want them to stray from their stock ethos, software wise but would appreciate a few more OK Moto features and active display features.
 

jamezr

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As long as they keep it close to stock android as possible, that is what appeals to me most about moto. We have enough skinned devices as it is. Surprised to hear the comments about responsiveness

I can overlook build materials when paying a lower price, particularly during the good sales moto has. I would rather have premium hardware parts with rubberized feel than premium build quality with less than ideal hardware. I prefer going caseless anyway, with glass screen protector. The more premium the build quality, the more careful you have to be when going naked.
I guess your right as a budget phone it is a great deal. Adding premium materials would take it out of the budget pricing zone that appeals to most people that buy the Moto X. As far as responsiveness goes. It was just not a fast phone for me. Compared to the numerous other phones I have had it was slow. It didn't lag but just wasn't snappy and quick. I thought the Nexus 6 was much faster and has a better camera IMHO.
 

gotluck

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Yeah never had any speed issues with my Moto X 2014 tbh. It was always very snappy and responsive. I actually think it's a little snappier than the Nexus 6 which lets face it is just an oversized Moto X 2014.

I don't want them to stray from their stock ethos, software wise but would appreciate a few more OK Moto features and active display features.

I am okay with extra software features, as long as they dont effect the ability for them to push software updates. For example, the 'unique' processor in the moto x 1st gen that seemed to result in huge delay for lollipop. I'm probably just talking myself into just buying nexus only. I just don't want to get burned on software updates and noone other than nexus is giving me a good feeling right now :( I don't know if it is lenovo or what..
 

gotluck

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I guess your right as a budget phone it is a great deal. Adding premium materials would take it out of the budget pricing zone that appeals to most people that buy the Moto X. As far as responsiveness goes. It was just not a fast phone for me. Compared to the numerous other phones I have had it was slow. It didn't lag but just wasn't snappy and quick. I thought the Nexus 6 was much faster and has a better camera IMHO.


Roger that on the camera, I haven't used both of them long enough to really comment on performance differences, but the size of the nexus 6 is basically the only problem I have with it, or I would own one right now.

were you on carrier variant or the pure edition? just curious, for example my verizon moto e 2015 performs noticeably better with all the verizon stuff disabled (at least whatever I was allowed to disable). I actually ended up disabling all of the motorola apps too :p

The assist app for moto x in the car (that feature does not exist on the 2015 moto e) is probably the only thing Id use. The active display feature caused so many phantom touches when I have the phone in my pocket (not sure whether to blame to phone or the software) but no issues with it disabled. Id take the phone out of my pocket and low and behold hotspot is turned on and location services turned off, happened 3 or 4 times doing lawn work.
 
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MRU

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Stoked for next week's announcement. I hope Moto's got something really cool and new up their sleeve.

5.2" is perfect but looking for improvements in camera and battery. Still waiting for that perfect Android phone.
 

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Motorola will go hard this time, since they got taken over (again).

The G looks pretty great. The X, they need to go all in on it with intelligent decisions. The new 360 should be solid.
 

MRU

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Nice article. ....is Moto going to be another HTC? What happens if they keep the same design as the last 2 years and just update the specs a little but the camera still sucks? Since they seem to be all in with Moto Maker will they ever have premium material design?

Well the new Moto G actually looks more like the Moto X 2014 and the new Moto X 2015 looks like its going to be just slightly smaller Nexus 6 albeit with front facing flash.

Ergonomically it looks like they have lost what made the original Moto X 2013 design so great, the Moto X 2014 was a better phone however its increased size did take away much of the great ergonomics. Going 'bigger' again to 5.5 / 5.7" to me seems like a mistake imho.
 
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