My 30 day iPhone 5 Journey

[Night Spring]

It is true. You can objectively say it's the better os. If only you were willing to. Remember, it doesn't matter if it is or isn't the better os for a certain person. That's irrelevant and ultimately means we can't measure anything.

If it isn't better for me, then why should I care if it is better for everyone else? Why is what's better for you more relevant than what's better for me?

And no, I don't think it's possible to "measure" what is the best OS. The world is full of things that has no objective measurement, such as if one flower is more beautiful than another. And I'm perfectly fine with that.

 

[Dmaynard83]

You don't have to root to stop per-installed apps.

Settings > Application Manager

Chose your app from the list and click "Disable". The app will vanish from your app draw and wont run again until you re-enable it.

But I do notice they run in the background and slow down the device. After rooting and removing the apps (jelly 'beans' rom) it is much faster and not nearly as choppy as before.

 

[roxxette]

Just use whatever serves you best and move on guys, its not like you have 1 option anymore plenty now and in the future.

Why do you want to look back ? and change how things are ?

 

[ChazUK]

Fair enough - though I have a similar annoyance with Android in that it requires you to accept permissions....every....time...you update the app.

May I correct you on that? (Apologies if this has already been bought up)

You are only reminded of permissions on an update when the permissions actually change. If you had to acknowledge permissions "every....time...you update the app", auto update wouldn't work as you'd be prompted each time it auto updates.

The permissions reminder is very logical.

Say I release "Chaz's happy funtime wallpaper app" with no permissions other than internet access and storage write to download/save the wallpapers.

All of that seems logical, I release a few bug fixes and it auto updates. Then I get nasty.

I add SMS, contact, location and camera permissions to my app in the hopes of stealing your data when it auto updates....

Aha! You have a "manual" update now listing these new permissions which makes you think "GTFO APP!" and your data remains yours.

Having the permissions pop up when a dev changes the level of access an app has is an essential security feature for me.

Hope that fixes some things as I use auto update extensively and always have a prod around come a manual update, just to make sure the dev isn't taking the piss with permissions..

 

[F123D]

Say I release "Chaz's happy funtime wallpaper app"

Can't wait!!

 

[ChazUK]

Can't wait!!

FFFUUUUUUUUUUU


/learns how to code.

 

[Dave.UK]

But I do notice they run in the background and slow down the device. After rooting and removing the apps (jelly 'beans' rom) it is much faster and not nearly as choppy as before.

No, If you disable the app - Its disabled. It wont show or run.

 

[sentinelsx]

You both are incredibly blind if you don't think Apple's marketing sets a standard in hyperbole. It's always been said, Steve Jobs could sell a bag of ice if he wanted to.

No one is claiming Apple invented hyperbole or that others don't do the same. And who cares if they do? That's the classic use of "I know you are but what am I" argument. Who cares?

The issue is how far from the truth iOS is. It's so far from the world's most advanced mobile operating system given that it can't do some of the most simplest things.

You both are incredibly blind if you don't think Apple's marketing sets a standard in hyperbole. It's always been said, Steve Jobs could sell a bag of ice if he wanted to.

No one is claiming Apple invented hyperbole or that others don't do the same. And who cares if they do? That's the classic use of "I know you are but what am I" argument. Who cares?

The issue is how far from the truth iOS is. It's so far from the world's most advanced mobile operating system given that it can't do some of the most simplest things.

I am not the guy who buys things because of glamorous marketing. Having said that, apple saying "world's most advanced mobile OS" is no different to me from "9 out of 10 dentists recommend our toothpaste brand". Different lines, same point. Marketing is marketing,

 

[Mrg02d]

No, If you disable the app - Its disabled. It wont show or run.

Until it restarts, seconds later.

 

[sentinelsx]

Such as?

You'll probably say things like "changing default browsers or apps" - I challenge you to come up with a FUNCTION. Changing default browsers is not a function
My bet is most of what you come up with doesn't affect function for 99% of users (something like "limited to 8 tabs" - there are multiple other ways to save a webpage for reading later - saving the webpage is the function I'm referring to).

Allowing more tabs or ability to use another browser IS a function, because it is used to perform a certain task that would not be possible otherwise. The other methods that you speak of are workarounds, which are not direct replacements.

For people who don't care, it's alright, but dismissing it as a useful "function" is pretty dumb.

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Until it restarts, seconds later.

I have never seen a disabled app running, ever.

Do keep in mind some system apps and processes cannot be disabled and that can be seen in the apps menu when disabling.

 

[ReanimationN]

I posted this in the other thread. It's completely applicable here, too. Hope it helps everyone understand:

The moment someone says "I prefer it this way," the conversation is essentially over.

What can I say? "No, you don't prefer it that way"? Of course I can't say that. That'd be ridiculous.

There's no method of measuring if we're just going to talk about each other's preferences. That conversation can happen, but that doesn't help anyone else but yourself.

But if we begin to talk objectively, we can get somewhere. The trick is to get over the sensitivity of admitting one is objectively better than the other.

Remember: All this is in the hopes of improving iOS. All this is in the hopes of doing good.

Your rants about iOS aren't going to change a thing, you aren't going to start some revolution at Apple, or some uprising that'll force Apple to take notice. Only Apple can change iOS, and they'll only do that if they want to. They've ignored many, many pleas in regards to changes in Macs and OS X, so they certainly aren't going to pay any attention to one guy (or many guys) on a forum who hates what they're doing with iOS. People have always hated Apple's products, there are people out there who think in exactly the same way you do about iOS in regards to OS X and Macs- Apple doesn't care, they never have, they just keep doing what they're doing and people keep buying it. The only thing that will make them change iOS is a hit to what matters to them- sales, which is starting to occur, and so are they beginning to do something about it (even if iOS 7 will just be a fresh coat of paint over the same limitations). It has nothing to do with the rants of Android fans.

And your claims of objectivity are also silly. Your criteria as to what makes a phone 'objectively' better are based on how you use your phone, what you do for work and how you like to use your phone for leisure. As an example, say you're a musician and use a selection of mobile music apps for your job- Android is going to be unusable for your job thanks to the extra audio latency that makes certain music apps untenable. If you're a musician, iOS would objectively be the better OS right? There is no one objectively better OS, each OS is better than the other for certain tasks, or is better than the other at certain things- don't try and speak for everyone by saying Android is objectively the better OS.

 

[hyteckit]

onthecouchagain,

For a guy who says he has an iPad 3 and iPhone 4S and self proclaim Apple fan, you seem quite clueless about iOS.

You sound like you are using iOS for the first time.

Oh, I didn't know that.
Oh, I just discover that.
Oh, how do I do this.
Oh, I'm so new to the jailbreaking thing.
Oh, "I'm seeing iOS in a whole new way. It's a dark, sick joke."

 

[F123D]

onthecouchagain,

For a guy who says he has an iPad 3 and iPhone 4S and self proclaim Apple fan, you seem quite clueless about iOS.

You sound like you are using iOS for the first time.

Oh, I didn't know that.
Oh, I just discover that.
Oh, how do I do this.
Oh, I'm so new to the jailbreaking thing.
Oh, "I'm seeing iOS in a whole new way. It's a dark, sick joke."

Coming from the guy who bought a Note II and said, I can't use it one handed.

 

[hyteckit]

onthecouchagain,

The problem isn't really iOS. The problem is that you are a Google fanatic. It's pretty obvious to me, but I'm not sure it's obvious to yourself.

All you have proven in this thread is how little you know about iOS, and have convince yourself that iOS sucks.


Just as how you convince yourself how awesome the Google Nexus and Nexus 4 phones are, and end up buying the Nexus 4 despite of the fact there were potential issues.

I correctly assess the potential issues with the Nexus 4, such as poor battery life and poor camera quality, but you call me a delusional apple fanboy. You told me Google will somehow magically fix all the issues with the Nexus 4 comes out in 2 to 3 weeks.

I might be an Apple fan, but I do have/had tons of other Samsung stuff like 2 samsung android phones, 1 galaxy tab, and most recently a Samsung Ativ windows tablet which I bought about 2 weeks ago. I even have a Samsung plasma TV, Blu-ray player, monitor, and soon 2 samsung camcorders.

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Coming from the guy who bought a Note II and said, I can't use it one handed.

Not sure what your argument is. I guessing you don't have one? Are you comparing my opinion of the size of the device with onthecouchagain's lack of knowledge of iOS?


Yes, I have a Note 2. Yes, it sucks when it comes to one hand use.

I gave it a try as my primary phone. Doesn't work for me. Note 2 is too big as a phone and too small as a useful tablet.

I think I rather have an iPhone 4S and a Note 8".

 

[onthecouchagain]

I'm sorry that iOS isn't a better OS. I really am.

But I'm more sorry that no one is able to admit it. It's a sad state of affairs.

 

[zbarvian]

I'm sorry that iOS isn't a better OS. I really am.

But I'm more sorry that no one is able to admit it. It's a sad state of affairs.

It might be that you're impossible to please. Just saying.

 

[hyteckit]

I'm sorry that iOS isn't a better OS. I really am.

But I'm more sorry that no one is able to admit it. It's a sad state of affairs.

And you said you would not buy a Nexus 4 if there are issues with it.

Yet you convinces yourself to buy one because you believe in the holiness of Google, and somehow Google will fix all issues with its magically Android updated.

 

[Mrg02d]

I'm sorry that iOS isn't a better OS. I really am.

But I'm more sorry that no one is able to admit it. It's a sad state of affairs.

I'll admit it. But android feels unrefined. Why can't HTC or Samsung make android fit their phone like a glove?

The only thing I like about iOS is the smooth feel.

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onthecouchagain,

The problem isn't really iOS. The problem is that you are a Google fanatic. It's pretty obvious to me, but I'm not sure it's obvious to yourself.

All you have proven in this thread is how little you know about iOS, and have convince yourself that iOS sucks.


Just as how you convince yourself how awesome the Google Nexus and Nexus 4 phones are, and end up buying the Nexus 4 despite of the fact there were potential issues.

I correctly assess the potential issues with the Nexus 4, such as poor battery life and poor camera quality, but you call me a delusional apple fanboy. You told me Google will somehow magically fix all the issues with the Nexus 4 comes out in 2 to 3 weeks.

I might be an Apple fan, but I do have/had tons of other Samsung stuff like 2 samsung android phones, 1 galaxy tab, and most recently a Samsung Ativ windows tablet which I bought about 2 weeks ago. I even have a Samsung plasma TV, Blu-ray player, monitor, and soon 2 samsung camcorders.

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Not sure what your argument is. I guessing you don't have one? Are you comparing my opinion of the size of the device with onthecouchagain's lack of knowledge of iOS?


Yes, I have a Note 2. Yes, it sucks when it comes to one hand use.

I gave it a try as my primary phone. Doesn't work for me. Note 2 is too big as a phone and too small as a useful tablet.

I think I rather have an iPhone 4S and a Note 8".

Dude, he bought an iPhone 5. What google fanatic would do that? Deciding android is better than iOS doesn't make you a fanatic.

 

[hyteckit]

Dude, he bought an iPhone 5. What google fanatic would do that? Deciding android is better than iOS doesn't make you a fanatic.

He said he owns an iPad 3 and had an iPhone 4.
Why would you need an iPhone 5 to decide whether or not Android is better than iOS.
You think iOS 6 running on an iPhone 5 is much different from iOS 6 running iPad 3/iPhone 4?

He has been saying how much iOS sucks long before he got his iPhone 5.

The question is, if he believes iOS suck and the iPhone 5 4" screen sucks, why else would he have gotten an iPhone 5?

Why do you think his title is: My 30 day iPhone 5 Journey

He bought it with plans to return it within 30 days.

He is using it to convince himself how much iOS suck.

All he has shown is how little he knows about iOS, even though he says he owns an iPad 3 and had an iPhone 4.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Dude, he bought an iPhone 5. What google fanatic would do that? Deciding android is better than iOS doesn't make you a fanatic.

If I am a Google fanatic, I sure am a horrible one what with all my Macs, Thunderbolt display, et all. And my influence on my family and friends to purchase Apple products.

But let Hytect continue his mischaracterize of me. That's what happens when you selectively read and/or don't comprehend posts. It's not worth addressing.

 

[hyteckit]

If I am a Google fanatic, I sure am a horrible one what with all my Macs, Thunderbolt display, et all. And my influence on my family and friends to purchase Apple products.

But let Hytect continue his mischaracterize of me. That's what happens when you selectively read and/or don't comprehend posts. It's not worth addressing.

And I can't be a Apple fanactic because I own tons of Samsung products and tons of Android products and tons of PCs and Windows product. Right now, I probably have more Samsung products than Apple products.

At least I admit I'm an Apple fan.

Some just can't admit the obvious fact that he is a Google fanatic.

 

[onthecouchagain]

PS. I noticed a number of upvotes in my posts in this thread. I'm happy what I'm saying is reaching some people.

I briefly went back through the thread, and nearly every response is a subjective response, rendering the conversation utterly useless -- something I'm trying to avoid. Subjectivity cancels out subjectivity.

It's amazing people can't grasp that even after I've demonstrated it so many times. You prefer it this way? Well, I prefer it the other way. If we decide that's the only way we can gauge, then we can all just stop visiting these message boards, and more specifically, stop posting in the numerous threads about Android vs iOS. What's the point if we've accepted preferences as the be all and end all of the conversation?

It's folly to think one person (or one group of people in a forum) can't begin something. Almost as folly to think one can't objectively say one OS is better than the other.

It's like morality. If we let moral relativity (which is the more popular belief) dictate what's "good" or "bad" then we're utterly at the whims of culture and tradition. It's perfectly normal in certain traditions and culture to stone women. If we only discuss this in relative terms, we are defenseless in combating it. But if we begin to admit we can discuss morality in a objective manner, then we can possibly get somewhere.

The same thing is happening here.

I sincerely hope people begin to understand this.

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Some just can't admit the obvious fact that he is a Google fanatic.

No where in my post said I am not a Google fan. Again... selective reading.

It's also not the first time you've taken things out of context.

Good luck, Hyteck. Truly.

 

[hyteckit]

No where in my post said I am not a Google fan. Again... selective reading.

It's also not the first time you've taken things out of context.

Good luck, Hyteck. Truly.

I'm pretty sure you did imply you were not a Google fanatic.

Quoting onthecouchagain:

If I am a Google fanatic, I sure am a horrible one what with all my Macs, Thunderbolt display, et all. And my influence on my family and friends to purchase Apple products.

Your argument implies that you cannot be a Google fanatic because you own lots of Apple products and convince others to buy Apple products.

 

[Vegastouch]

onthecouchagain,

The problem isn't really iOS. The problem is that you are a Google fanatic. It's pretty obvious to me, but I'm not sure it's obvious to yourself.

All you have proven in this thread is how little you know about iOS, and have convince yourself that iOS sucks.


Just as how you convince yourself how awesome the Google Nexus and Nexus 4 phones are, and end up buying the Nexus 4 despite of the fact there were potential issues.

I correctly assess the potential issues with the Nexus 4, such as poor battery life and poor camera quality, but you call me a delusional apple fanboy. You told me Google will somehow magically fix all the issues with the Nexus 4 comes out in 2 to 3 weeks.

I might be an Apple fan, but I do have/had tons of other Samsung stuff like 2 samsung android phones, 1 galaxy tab, and most recently a Samsung Ativ windows tablet which I bought about 2 weeks ago. I even have a Samsung plasma TV, Blu-ray player, monitor, and soon 2 samsung camcorders.

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Not sure what your argument is. I guessing you don't have one? Are you comparing my opinion of the size of the device with onthecouchagain's lack of knowledge of iOS?


Yes, I have a Note 2. Yes, it sucks when it comes to one hand use.

I gave it a try as my primary phone. Doesn't work for me. Note 2 is too big as a phone and too small as a useful tablet.

I think I rather have an iPhone 4S and a Note 8".

Not sure why when all you do is put them down. Samsung themselves make good products but what im talking about is Android. Why waste your money on those three devices(4 counting the Note 2) when you always bash them here?
I will never understand why people waste their money on things and come here and complain about them. Buy one or two at different times to see how things changed i can see it but to own 4 Android devices....Logic tells me not to buy them. Why are you still holding on to them if you think they suck?

 

[Dmaynard83]

PS. I noticed a number of upvotes in my posts in this thread. I'm happy what I'm saying is reaching some people.

I briefly went back through the thread, and nearly every response is a subjective response, rendering the conversation utterly useless -- something I'm trying to avoid. Subjectivity cancels out subjectivity.

It's amazing people can't grasp that even after I've demonstrated it so many times. You prefer it this way? Well, I prefer it the other way. If we decide that's the only way we can gauge, then we can all just stop visiting these message boards, and more specifically, stop posting in the numerous threads about Android vs iOS. What's the point if we've accepted preferences as the be all and end all of the conversation?

It's folly to think one person (or one group of people in a forum) can't begin something. Almost as folly to think one can't objectively say one OS is better than the other.

It's like morality. If we let moral relativity (which is the more popular belief) dictate what's "good" or "bad" then we're utterly at the whims of culture and tradition. It's perfectly normal in certain traditions and culture to stone women. If we only discuss this in relative terms, we are defenseless in combating it. But if we begin to admit we can discuss morality in a objective manner, then we can possibly get somewhere.

The same thing is happening here.

I sincerely hope people begin to understand this.

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No where in my post said I am not a Google fan. Again... selective reading.

It's also not the first time you've taken things out of context.

Good luck, Hyteck. Truly.

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