My 30 day iPhone 5 Journey

[ReanimationN]

PS. I noticed a number of upvotes in my posts in this thread. I'm happy what I'm saying is reaching some people.

I briefly went back through the thread, and nearly every response is a subjective response, rendering the conversation utterly useless -- something I'm trying to avoid. Subjectivity cancels out subjectivity.

It's amazing people can't grasp that even after I've demonstrated it so many times. You prefer it this way? Well, I prefer it the other way. If we decide that's the only way we can gauge, then we can all just stop visiting these message boards, and more specifically, stop posting in the numerous threads about Android vs iOS. What's the point if we've accepted preferences as the be all and end all of the conversation?

You can't avoid it though, ultimately, it's all subjective. What you are valuing as an objective measurement is completely subjective in itself. Why should we value the 'number of taps to do certain things' as the objective measurement which defines what the better OS is? Because that's what you value? Why not audio latency? Why not frames per second during transitions and general OS operation? Why not touch response delay?

What if, say, you have a job that uses a small group of mobile apps to monitor data on the go, and let's say these apps are available on both iOS and Android. Now let's say you need to use the menu options of these apps on a regular basis, and let's say these apps actually adhere to normal Android design and use the menu button to access these options, while the iOS app places them along the bottom of the screen, as is standard in the App Store, Music app etc.

Now what's this? To move between these menu options, you're going to need to tap once on the menu button, and then again to select the menu option you want, whereas on iOS you'd only need to tap once as these options are onscreen already?? But this is an objective measurement! iOS requires more taps than Android! Now what's this you're saying? Some people prefer the way Android does it, as burying the menu options allows for a little bit more screen real estate, whereas some people prefer the iOS layout, as everything's more easily accessible? You mean some people actually prefer doing a couple of extra taps here and there in order to gain some other advantage that they find important? Unacceptable.

Your attempts at an 'objective' measurement are utterly useless, not everyone is going to value what you value, as I said before. For example, you may place the most importance on the general framerate and performance, and so you would find an OS with jerky transitions and framerate dips during operations utterly unacceptable. You could quantify this, so why isn't this the measurement we use to ascertain which is the superior OS? Is it because, shock horror, it's not something you place great importance on, and is something you don't believe should be used to define what the superior OS is?

It's folly to think one person (or one group of people in a forum) can't begin something. Almost as folly to think one can't objectively say one OS is better than the other.

Sure, you can try and begin something, but it's not going to change anything at Apple, nor will it change anything to do with iOS. If that worked, Apple would have released far more (and better) updates to the Mac Pro, better pro apps, the fabled, midrange X-Mac, plus they would have opened OS X up to be themed and customised like Windows.

It's like morality. If we let moral relativity (which is the more popular belief) dictate what's "good" or "bad" then we're utterly at the whims of culture and tradition. It's perfectly normal in certain traditions and culture to stone women. If we only discuss this in relative terms, we are defenseless in combating it. But if we begin to admit we can discuss morality in a objective manner, then we can possibly get somewhere.

The same thing is happening here.

I sincerely hope people begin to understand this.

The fact that you're comparing people's preferences in mobile operating systems to morality systems and stonings just shows that you're taking this all way too seriously. Sorry, but at the end of the day, when it comes to phone operating systems, it's all ultimately going to come down to personal preference.

 

[zbarvian]

You can't avoid it though, ultimately, it's all subjective. What you are valuing as an objective measurement is completely subjective in itself. Why should we value the 'number of taps to do certain things' as the objective measurement which defines what the better OS is? Because that's what you value? Why not audio latency? Why not frames per second during transitions and general OS operation? Why not touch response delay?

What if, say, you have a job that uses a small group of mobile apps to monitor data on the go, and let's say these apps are available on both iOS and Android. Now let's say you need to use the menu options of these apps on a regular basis, and let's say these apps actually adhere to normal Android design and use the menu button to access these options, while the iOS app places them along the bottom of the screen, as is standard in the App Store, Music app etc.

Now what's this? To move between these menu options, you're going to need to tap once on the menu button, and then again to select the menu option you want, whereas on iOS you'd only need to tap once as these options are onscreen already?? But this is an objective measurement! iOS requires more taps than Android! Now what's this you're saying? Some people prefer the way Android does it, as burying the menu options allows for a little bit more screen real estate, whereas some people prefer the iOS layout, as everything's more easily accessible? You mean some people actually prefer doing a couple of extra taps here and there in order to gain some other advantage that they find important? Unacceptable.

Your attempts at an 'objective' measurement are utterly useless, not everyone is going to value what you value, as I said before. For example, you may place the most importance on the general framerate and performance, and so you would find an OS with jerky transitions and framerate dips during operations utterly unacceptable. You could quantify this, so why isn't this the measurement we use to ascertain which is the superior OS? Is it because, shock horror, it's not something you place great importance on, and is something you don't believe should be used to define what the superior OS is?

Sure, you can try and begin something, but it's not going to change anything at Apple, nor will it change anything to do with iOS. If that worked, Apple would have released far more (and better) updates to the Mac Pro, better pro apps, the fabled, midrange X-Mac, plus they would have opened OS X up to be themed and customised like Windows.


The fact that you're comparing people's preferences in mobile operating systems to morality systems and stonings just shows that you're taking this all way too seriously. Sorry, but at the end of the day, when it comes to phone operating systems, it's all ultimately going to come down to personal preference.

Bravo, sir. Seriously, couch, you're just now realizing that preference is personal and can't be objectified? Don't force a tenuous analogy of morality onto it (you may have heard the term ethical relativism), and just accept that there is no objective standard to judge these type of things. The reason for the void between iOS fanboys and Android fanboys is because each group has a different set of expectations, a different standard for their OS. That's why one doesn't want to mod or customize to no end, and prefers the better design, responsiveness, and apps of iOS. And vice-versa (note: that was a simplification, Android obviously has more merits than that). Any wisdom that tries to twist one standard to resemble the other, that tries to create one standard is ultimately contrived and ineffective. There's not one truth here.

How do you reconcile one person who needs a certain app on iOS or a certain integration? Where is objectivity applicable there? That's not the exception to the rule, that's the rule itself. Case closed.

 

[hyteckit]

Not sure why when all you do is put them down. Samsung themselves make good products but what im talking about is Android. Why waste your money on those three devices(4 counting the Note 2) when you always bash them here?
I will never understand why people waste their money on things and come here and complain about them. Buy one or two at different times to see how things changed i can see it but to own 4 Android devices....Logic tells me not to buy them. Why are you still holding on to them if you think they suck?

You must be talking to onthecouchagain. You know this is his thread bashing the iPhone and iOS.

After all, onthecouchagain owns an iPad 3, iPhone 4, and now an iPhone 5.


When did I say the Note 2 sucks? I think it's a great phone for some people. It's just not right for me. Some here just overreact to my opinion about the placement of the notification light, the volume button, and power button. Because they can't handle anything but praise for the Galaxy Note 2.

Of all the Android phones I've own, the Note 2 is probably the best. Just too big for my preference.

 

[tbayrgs]

You can't avoid it though, ultimately, it's all subjective. What you are valuing as an objective measurement is completely subjective in itself. Why should we value the 'number of taps to do certain things' as the objective measurement which defines what the better OS is? Because that's what you value? Why not audio latency? Why not frames per second during transitions and general OS operation? Why not touch response delay?

What if, say, you have a job that uses a small group of mobile apps to monitor data on the go, and let's say these apps are available on both iOS and Android. Now let's say you need to use the menu options of these apps on a regular basis, and let's say these apps actually adhere to normal Android design and use the menu button to access these options, while the iOS app places them along the bottom of the screen, as is standard in the App Store, Music app etc.

Now what's this? To move between these menu options, you're going to need to tap once on the menu button, and then again to select the menu option you want, whereas on iOS you'd only need to tap once as these options are onscreen already?? But this is an objective measurement! iOS requires more taps than Android! Now what's this you're saying? Some people prefer the way Android does it, as burying the menu options allows for a little bit more screen real estate, whereas some people prefer the iOS layout, as everything's more easily accessible? You mean some people actually prefer doing a couple of extra taps here and there in order to gain some other advantage that they find important? Unacceptable.

Your attempts at an 'objective' measurement are utterly useless, not everyone is going to value what you value, as I said before. For example, you may place the most importance on the general framerate and performance, and so you would find an OS with jerky transitions and framerate dips during operations utterly unacceptable. You could quantify this, so why isn't this the measurement we use to ascertain which is the superior OS? Is it because, shock horror, it's not something you place great importance on, and is something you don't believe should be used to define what the superior OS is?

Sure, you can try and begin something, but it's not going to change anything at Apple, nor will it change anything to do with iOS. If that worked, Apple would have released far more (and better) updates to the Mac Pro, better pro apps, the fabled, midrange X-Mac, plus they would have opened OS X up to be themed and customised like Windows.


The fact that you're comparing people's preferences in mobile operating systems to morality systems and stonings just shows that you're taking this all way too seriously. Sorry, but at the end of the day, when it comes to phone operating systems, it's all ultimately going to come down to personal preference.

. Very well said, thanks.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Please explain why we're all here debating about Android vs iOS (or any other platform) if it all comes down to preference? What's the point then?

All this is for naught and utterly irrelevant. You guys are essentially devaluing your own experiences when you believe that that's all that can be discussed. One person's preference is completely canceled out by another.

I believe there can be more than that. There is a conversation to be had with preferences, but that's not the only one we can have. Nor should it be.

 

[zbarvian]

Please explain why we're all here debating about Android vs iOS (or any other platform) if it all comes down to preference? What's the point then?

All this is for naught and utterly irrelevant. You guys are essentially devaluing your own experiences when you believe that that's all that can be discussed. One person's preference is completely canceled out by another.

I believe there can be more than that. There is a conversation to be had with preferences, but that's not the only one we can have. Nor should it be.

I didn't think anybody imagined these debates to be anything else...

There isn't a conversation to be had where personal preference isn't a large factor worth considering. You can ramble that Android accomplishes one certain task in fewer steps, or allows for a third-party keyboard, but each platform has advantages. It's not up to you to decide which advantages are more worthwhile or valuable for people, thereby confusing your own subjectivity with objectivity.

 

[Peterg2]

The original purpose of this thread is no more.

If this thread were akin to a horse, it would have been put down.

 

[Lava Lamp Freak]

All this is for naught and utterly irrelevant.

Welcome to the Internet.

 

[Vegastouch]

Please explain why we're all here debating about Android vs iOS (or any other platform) if it all comes down to preference? What's the point then?

All this is for naught and utterly irrelevant. You guys are essentially devaluing your own experiences when you believe that that's all that can be discussed. One person's preference is completely canceled out by another.

I believe there can be more than that. There is a conversation to be had with preferences, but that's not the only one we can have. Nor should it be.

However, it is it ultimately what it turns in to.

 

[roxxette]

I'm sorry that iOS isn't a better OS. I really am.

But I'm more sorry that no one is able to admit it. It's a sad state of affairs.

Couch whe should be sorry that for most people iOS works, it is better for most people.

 

[onthecouchagain]

You guys are right about one thing... the point is falling on deaf ears and belabored. So, moving on...

I'm discovering jailbreak is unsustainable, even after removing Auxo. It just isn't very stable and crashes once every few days. Frustrating that to get the best out of iOS through jailbreak, I have to deal with this.

Besides Auxo, what could be the culprit? Here is my full list:

Zephyr
Activator
Cyueue
FolderCloser
NoNewsisGoodNews
PasswordPilot
Swipe Safari
Webscrollian

Or is this just a common thing with jailbreak in general?

 

[sentinelsx]

I would say that evasi0n still needs more updates to fine tune things. My device could run fine for 2-3 days, and then all of a sudden I open an app and boom, I see the apple logo and springboard is restarting because of a crash. I found iPhone 4 on 4.3.3 an 5.1.1 more stable when jailbroken.

So yeah, expect some instability.

 

[roxxette]

You guys are right about one thing... the point is falling on deaf ears and belabored. So, moving on...

I'm discovering jailbreak is unsustainable, even after removing Auxo. It just isn't very stable and crashes once every few days. Frustrating that to get the best out of iOS through jailbreak, I have to deal with this.

Besides Auxo, what could be the culprit? Here is my full list:

Zephyr
Activator
Cyueue
FolderCloser
NoNewsisGoodNews
PasswordPilot
Swipe Safari
Webscrollian

Or is this just a common thing with jailbreak in general?

Def not, a lot of peolle including me run a lot more tweaks than you and works just fine with no crash (on 4s) maybe one of those tweaks dont play well with iphone 5.

Zephyr and activator have been legit with me so far.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I would say that evasi0n still needs more updates to fine tune things. My device could run fine for 2-3 days, and then all of a sudden I open an app and boom, I see the apple logo and springboard is restarting because of a crash. I found iPhone 4 on 4.3.3 an 5.1.1 more stable when jailbroken.

So yeah, expect some instability.

Same experience here. Either opening an app or one time even pulling down the notification center sent it into a crash.

 

[Night Spring]

Same experience here. Either opening an app or one time even pulling down the notification center sent it into a crash.

I have about 20 tweaks right now, and haven't had any crashes that caused a respring. I notice apps suddenly closing down once in a while, and I'm dumped back to the home screen, but no resprings. And I don't know if that is a bug in those individual apps or caused by the jailbreak. Overall, I expect that jailbroken systems would be more unstable than non-JB ones (that's why Apple locked down the OS, after all), but it's possible to have a device be jailbroken and not have it crash every few days.

On the question of why we discuss things when ultimately it comes down to everyone's preferences, well, for one thing, it can be interesting to hear about how people's preferences differ from my own. Second, people can ask for help in finding which device or OS better fit their preferences. "I want a device to do X,Y and Z. Should I get a laptop, tablet or smartphone?" And then people can say, "Well, for X, a tablet is better, but for Y, a smartphone might be better... Which is more important for you, X or Y?" And that's a meaningful discussion.

 

[1member1]

I don't recommend jailbreaking your phone unless you know what are you downloading.

besides that after i red most of this post I think iPhone is not for you and I'm not sure why you tested it when your intention was to jailbreak immediately..

 

[onthecouchagain]

I have about 20 tweaks right now, and haven't had any crashes that caused a respring. I notice apps suddenly closing down once in a while, and I'm dumped back to the home screen, but no resprings. And I don't know if that is a bug in those individual apps or caused by the jailbreak. Overall, I expect that jailbroken systems would be more unstable than non-JB ones (that's why Apple locked down the OS, after all), but it's possible to have a device be jailbroken and not have it crash every few days.

On the question of why we discuss things when ultimately it comes down to everyone's preferences, well, for one thing, it can be interesting to hear about how people's preferences differ from my own. Second, people can ask for help in finding which device or OS better fit their preferences. "I want a device to do X,Y and Z. Should I get a laptop, tablet or smartphone?" And then people can say, "Well, for X, a tablet is better, but for Y, a smartphone might be better... Which is more important for you, X or Y?" And that's a meaningful discussion.

It sure is. If you go through my posts, I say that's a conversation that can be had and at times must be had (like when recommending a phone to a person). It just shouldn't be the only one.


Thanks for your feedback on jailbreak. I don't know what it is, then. I get crashes every few days.

 

[Night Spring]

It sure is. If you go through my posts, I say that's a conversation that can be had and at times must be had (like when recommending a phone to a person). It just shouldn't be the only one.

Actually, I'm thinking that the only reason we do have discussions is because people have different preferences and standards. If everything could be objectively determined, what is there to discuss? If, in fact, Android is the better OS and this can be objectively proven, we should all just ditch iOS and switch to Android, no discussion needed. Right?

 

[onthecouchagain]

Actually, I'm thinking that the only reason we do have discussions is because people have different preferences and standards. If everything could be objectively determined, what is there to discuss? If, in fact, Android is the better OS and this can be objectively proven, we should all just ditch iOS and switch to Android, no discussion needed. Right?

What you or anyone decides on is your/their preference. We've already established this. This wasn't a point of contention of mine.

I'm simply saying we should be able to talk objectively about the two OSes too.

 

[Mrg02d]

A good test is whether or not an iOS user can give up their jailbreak. If they cannot live without it, then android may be for them. If they don't jailbreak at all, then iOS may be best.

If android were as smooth as iOS, I'd be with android. I love swiftkey 3, as well as nova launcher. I'm with iPhone 4S, jail breaking, waiting to see if HTC got their crap together with their HTC one. If it is smooth and seamless, then I'm headed back to android, possibly for good.

I feel imprisoned by the idea that a need to restore my iPhone 4S will put me back into the indefinite waiting game for a new jailbreak. I WON'T use iOS without jailbreak.

 

[onthecouchagain]

A good test is whether or not an iOS user can give up their jailbreak. If they cannot live without it, then android may be for them. If they don't jailbreak at all, then iOS may be best.

If android were as smooth as iOS, I'd be with android. I love swiftkey 3, as well as nova launcher. I'm with iPhone 4S, jail breaking, waiting to see if HTC got their crap together with their HTC one. If it is smooth and seamless, then I'm headed back to android, possibly for good.

I feel imprisoned by the idea that a need to restore my iPhone 4S will put me back into the indefinite waiting game for a new jailbreak. I WON'T use iOS without jailbreak.

I don't blame you. Without jailbreak, the OS just reeks of limitations at every corner.

Many reviews point to how seamless and smooth Sense 5 is. Personally, I don't care for Sense, but that might be the winner.

Early video walkthroughs of the S4 still shows some considerable lag with TouchWiz. That blows my mind (in a bad way). I really hope it's because of early test units. It's alarming and a real turn off (thus my dilemma).

 

[onthecouchagain]

Can't believe plants vs zombies isn't updated yet. Still has black bars on the sides. Ditto for Tetris.

 

[MRU]

Can't believe plants vs zombies isn't updated yet. Still has black bars on the sides. Ditto for Tetris.

two words.

electronic arts.

nuff said

 

[tbayrgs]

Can't believe plants vs zombies isn't updated yet. Still has black bars on the sides. Ditto for Tetris.

Yeah, not really on top of things. And please don't take this as an Android vs. iOS issue because because that's not my intention but have you seen the Android version of PvZ? It's a shell of the iOS version, don't understand why they can't port the full version over.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Yeah, not really on top of things. And please don't take this as an Android vs. iOS issue because because that's not my intention but have you seen the Android version of PvZ? It's a shell of the iOS version, don't understand why they can't port the full version over.

The best version is PvZ HD on the iPad. I was a little disappointed it didn't port my old game over, as I had gotten really far, but I guess the version I bought for iPad was specifically just for the iPad.

The first time I wanted the legendary consistency of iOS games being so interchangeable between iPhone and iPad to work, it didn't. Like I said, I guess it's cause I downloaded an iPad specific version, so oh well.

Wish there was a return policy system for apps like in the Play Store...