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Jayson A

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Shaking my head at this..and I also find it amusing.

Touchwiz is not android. I don't care if its just a "skin"...it's terrible, and envelops the entire experience. You don't like Touchwiz, I get that. But trying out TW and saying you don't like Android as a complete OS is ignorant, plain and simple.

Yes, I'm ignorant. I don't know all of the different types of android and the skins and which phones have the best android experience. I just know what I used and I didn't really like it.

Why can't some people just accept that just because you thing something is better, doesn't mean it's better for everyone?
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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Yes, I'm ignorant. I don't know all of the different types of android and the skins and which phones have the best android experience. I just know what I used and I didn't really like it.

Why can't some people just accept that just because you thing something is better, doesn't mean it's better for everyone?

I have to agree.

I see absolutely nothing endearing or special about "pure android" phones. If the S5 did ship with pure android, I probably would have skipped it altogether.

I prefer Touchwiz. It's the only iteration of android I find even remotely interesting. Clearly a lot of people in the world feel the same since Samsung is king of android and has been for a few years now.

This fictitious notion that the android sphere would be a better place without Samsung is baseless.
 

OceanView

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Sep 16, 2005
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Choices are good for everyone.

I left the iPhone about 2 years ago and tried out Android for the first time. I was pleasantly surprised by the freedom and customizability of Android.
In the mean time I was hoping that Apple would up their game and bring something new including a bigger screen for the next iPhone.

Now with the introduction of a bigger screen iPhone 6, I took the opportunity to buy one and see if I can go back to iOS.

Here are my findings:

1. iOS still boring
2. 720p resolution is just not sharp compared to 1080p screens
3. Still no widgets
4. iTunes is too restrictive and cumbersome to use as a file manager.

There are more things that I can name but the above items are the most important reason I find the new iPhone disappointing.
 

pedromcm.pm

macrumors 6502
Mar 23, 2014
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The activation lock from Find my iPhone can be easily bypassed multiple ways, which I won't discuss here.

ADM is quicker at loading and locking on devices, and can be used from any browser. If you want deeper security than what even Find my iPhone has, you can always install an app that does that, like Avast.

I'm really curious about that, since "icloud locked" devices are selling for pretty cheap and are considered useless bricks.
 

Lloydbm41

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Choices are good for everyone.

I left the iPhone about 2 years ago and tried out Android for the first time. I was pleasantly surprised by the freedom and customizability of Android.
In the mean time I was hoping that Apple would up their game and bring something new including a bigger screen for the next iPhone.

Now with the introduction of a bigger screen iPhone 6, I took the opportunity to buy one and see if I can go back to iOS.

Here are my findings:

1. iOS still boring
2. 720p resolution is just not sharp compared to 1080p screens
3. Still no widgets
4. iTunes is too restrictive and cumbersome to use as a file manager.

There are more things that I can name but the above items are the most important reason I find the new iPhone disappointing.

1. iOS may be boring in terms of icons placed on a page, but an OS is more than just icons. Feature for feature Android and iOS are pretty much equal.
2. You knew ahead of time that the 6 had a 750p screen. You now fault the device? If you want 1080p, buy the 6+.
3. Widgets are aplenty. They are in the notification center vice the home screen. I currently have 5 widgets running.
4. iTunes still sucks monkey balls. No argument here. I hate it with a passion, but I have to deal with it. A necessary evil.
 

pedromcm.pm

macrumors 6502
Mar 23, 2014
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Useless widgets since they are in the Notification Center and they are hideous to look at on my iPad Air.

I find all widgets to be useless on every platform (besides dashboard, on OS X, since you can have a lot of useful ones at the same time on the same space.), especially Android.

On a slower device like mine, they are already useless. I just can't find a use on faster device. Google Now is all I need. It gives the info any useful widget would give.
 

Oohara

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Jun 28, 2012
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Useless widgets since they are in the Notification Center and they are hideous to look at on my iPad Air.

Please stop bashing people's opinions in this forum. You're free to have yours of course, but you could express them positively or at least politely, instead of touting them as superior to everyone elses while degrading theirs.

All you're achieving with this little crusade of yours is to make other Android enthusiasts look childish, malicious and stupid. If you really do love Android - then great job man, you're really helping your cause here...
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
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I have to agree.

I see absolutely nothing endearing or special about "pure android" phones. If the S5 did ship with pure android, I probably would have skipped it altogether.

I prefer Touchwiz. It's the only iteration of android I find even remotely interesting. Clearly a lot of people in the world feel the same since Samsung is king of android and has been for a few years now.

This fictitious notion that the android sphere would be a better place without Samsung is baseless.

Android would still be the nerds dream without Samsung. Its all very well for geeks on a forum to obsess over pure android or even the HTC one, however in the brand scheme of things these devices don't sell much.

However I like that there is choice. Whether that be samsubg, HTC, LG, motorolla or nexus devices.

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Choices are good for everyone.

I left the iPhone about 2 years ago and tried out Android for the first time. I was pleasantly surprised by the freedom and customizability of Android.
In the mean time I was hoping that Apple would up their game and bring something new including a bigger screen for the next iPhone.

Now with the introduction of a bigger screen iPhone 6, I took the opportunity to buy one and see if I can go back to iOS.

Here are my findings:

1. iOS still boring
2. 720p resolution is just not sharp compared to 1080p screens
3. Still no widgets
4. iTunes is too restrictive and cumbersome to use as a file manager.

There are more things that I can name but the above items are the most important reason I find the new iPhone disappointing.
I was kind of routing for Apple this year too.

Bigger screens, iOS 8 sounded like a big improvement. After WWDC I was genuinely excited. However, when the iphones were announced I was underwhelmed. However, even after that I still wanted to see what iOS 8 had to offer but it's really disappointed me.

I'm really not impressed with the sharing options or the widgets.

The camera software enhancements were also underwhelming.

The one thing that I thought was a dead cert for improvement was the third party keyboards. They are buggy as hell. They revert back to the stock keyboard randomly and some badic functions just don't work on some of them like copy and paste. In the end I just went back to the stock keyboard as it wasn't worth the hassle.
 
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Technarchy

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3. Widgets are aplenty. They are in the notification center vice the home screen. I currently have 5 widgets running.

I was not all that convinced that iOS widgets would work well. In practice, I am staying pretty up to date on things I care about with iOS widgets.

The issue now is android has years of developer widget support and iOS only has a few weeks, and it shows.

What I would really like to see personally to give me S5 parity:

Twitter
Google Now
Google +
Flipboard
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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Right but they are only in the notification center - you can't add widgets to pages outside of notifications.

Useless widgets since they are in the Notification Center and they are hideous to look at on my iPad Air.

Well, from one perspective, iOS's solution is actually more useful. The notification panel is accessible from any part of the OS--home screen, while in any app, even from the lock screen, meaning I have immediate access to my widgets without having to leave the app I'm using. IIRC, the Galaxy S5 doesn't even allow lock screen widgets.

Apple's solution may not be your preferred implementation but it's certainly far from useless.
 

Shanghaichica

macrumors G5
Apr 8, 2013
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UK
I was not all that convinced that iOS widgets would work well. In practice, I am staying pretty up to date on things I care about with iOS widgets.

The issue now is android has years of developer widget support and iOS only has a few weeks, and it shows.

What I would really like to see personally to give me S5 parity:

Twitter
Google Now
Google +
Flipboard

I expect that there will be more over time. However I think due to the placement of them they will never be that useful to me. For example one of the widgets I have on my S5 is a full screen calander which shows me the whole month. Having this kind of widget in the notification panel just wouldnt work.
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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Well, from one perspective, iOS's solution is actually more useful. The notification panel is accessible from any part of the OS--home screen, while in any app, even from the lock screen, meaning I have immediate access to my widgets without having to leave the app I'm using. IIRC, the Galaxy S5 doesn't even allow lock screen widgets.

Apple's solution may not be your preferred implementation but it's certainly far from useless.

In addition, I like the linear scrolling like Windows Phone. For news junkies like my myself, when scrolling through the widgets it presents itself as one continuous stream of news feeds so you are getting a lot of content to view in one area.

When I saw WWDC, I thought blah compared to my S5, but even in these early days it's proving to be pretty powerful.

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I expect that there will be more over time. However I think due to the placement of them they will never be that useful to me. For example one of the widgets I have on my S5 is a full screen calander which shows me the whole month. Having this kind of widget in the notification panel just wouldnt work.

Some types of widgets will not work as well. And given this whole Launcher app/widget removal, there are some Apple constraints that might be a factor as well.

We probably won't know the full extent of iOS widgets way until the middle of 2015. I'm sure developers are ripping the system apart.

In my personal opinion Apple needs Google widgets and extensions support as well. Like in a big way.
 

kevinof

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Jul 30, 2008
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Ok fair enough. However I think that Apple have to greatly expand the use of the widgets to something like Android - I never (well rarely) go into notifications on my ipad and when I do I just find the widgets very limited. I'm not big on lots of widgets on Android but the ones I do have at least allow me to do stuff with them, and not just consume.

We'll see how Apple progresses with widgets but I suspect it will take another version or two before they are really useful (at least for me that is)

Well, from one perspective, iOS's solution is actually more useful. The notification panel is accessible from any part of the OS--home screen, while in any app, even from the lock screen, meaning I have immediate access to my widgets without having to leave the app I'm using. IIRC, the Galaxy S5 doesn't even allow lock screen widgets.

Apple's solution may not be your preferred implementation but it's certainly far from useless.
 

pedromcm.pm

macrumors 6502
Mar 23, 2014
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Porto, Portugal
What do you mean "iCloud locked?" they're has to be a way to disable that.

If you steal my device and it is locked through find my iPhone, it is icloud locked at firmware level. You can't unlock it. You can't format it.

It becomes useless and only has value because it can be used for parts.

With Android you can always format the device and use it. With iOS even that isn't possible.

When people sell their iOS devices they have to delete them from iCloud, otherwise they are useless.
 

OceanView

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Sep 16, 2005
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1. iOS may be boring in terms of icons placed on a page, but an OS is more than just icons. Feature for feature Android and iOS are pretty much equal.
2. You knew ahead of time that the 6 had a 750p screen. You now fault the device? If you want 1080p, buy the 6+.
3. Widgets are aplenty. They are in the notification center vice the home screen. I currently have 5 widgets running.
4. iTunes still sucks monkey balls. No argument here. I hate it with a passion, but I have to deal with it. A necessary evil.

1 - Personal Preference on this
2 - That just goes to show you that the iPhone 6 is behind the competition. Many Android phones had 1080p screens 2 years ago. Apple still catching up here.
3 - iPhone "widgets" are nothing like Android widgets.
 

dojoman

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Apr 8, 2010
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You must have bionic eye to be able to tell 720p from 1080p on the 5" screen. I call bs on that..typical argument from Android camp. Spec blah blah specs specs.
 

HiDEF

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Jun 23, 2010
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If you steal my device and it is locked through find my iPhone, it is icloud locked at firmware level. You can't unlock it. You can't format it.



It becomes useless and only has value because it can be used for parts.



With Android you can always format the device and use it. With iOS even that isn't possible.



When people sell their iOS devices they have to delete them from iCloud, otherwise they are useless.


Does Apple give instructions on how to delete devices from the iCloud?
 

Lloydbm41

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I was not all that convinced that iOS widgets would work well. In practice, I am staying pretty up to date on things I care about with iOS widgets.

The issue now is android has years of developer widget support and iOS only has a few weeks, and it shows.

What I would really like to see personally to give me S5 parity:

Twitter
Google Now
Google +
Flipboard
Google Now is a bit too much i would think. Since it is card based, it would take up a ton of real estate.
 

Kariya

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Nov 3, 2010
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fib? read the comments of their Youtube videos and tell me which commenters are in uproar the most.

Even Android Central got in on the fun by fanning the flames with their thinly veiled question

I thought Apple fans were bad but Android enthusiasts can be equally terrible
 
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