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Oohara

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But I also have to be on my home screen to do simple things like auto-rotate, which means closing out of an app, clicking the toggle and then going back into the app. (YouTube gets me every time!)
Can't you do that one from quick settings in the notifications panel though? That's what I always do - maybe your phone doesn't have it.
 

Lloydbm41

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Oct 17, 2013
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Can't you do that one from quick settings in the notifications panel though? That's what I always do - maybe your phone doesn't have it.

Auto-rotate isn't one of the core quick settings for vanilla Android. I know Touchwiz has it, but Google doesn't consider thst important enough of a toggle i guess?
 

khha4113

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Oct 12, 2013
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Can't you do that one from quick settings in the notifications panel though? That's what I always do - maybe your phone doesn't have it.

My Nexus 5 doesn't have it, but my S4 does. However, you can set another power toggles row inside the notification panel as I did with my Nexus 5 (kind of like Apple widget).

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jeffe

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Feb 17, 2008
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Right now on my S5 there are 8 tiles displayed in the Google Now widget. Sometimes it's 6. Google Now does a good job of figuring what I want to see most.

Either way, right now Google now on the iPhone isn't all that valuable because you basically have to check the app, which really, I'm never going to do. Between Safari's integrated search and Siri, there is no need.

If Google wants to encourage use of their services, a widget makes a lot of sense, and the iOS demographic is pretty significant.

I agree..It makes a lot of sense for what google now is. I'm sure we'll see a widget soon.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
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From the main home screen, one swipe to the left for the calendar widget. It's two swipes in either direction for the twitter widget. I only have 4 home screens.

Most of the widgets I tried on iOS seems slightly more or less equivalent to the notifications I already receive from those apps. Yes, notification widgets can be slightly more convenient at times, but lack of info or function is the trade off.

But what's the benefit over using a full function app? You have to make 1-3 swipes to get less info/functionality than I get with one touch on a app on my home screen? And if it is just for a quick glance, that's as quickly available on my iPhone, if not quicker.

And it's not all just at-a-glance info. My Evernote widget on iOS offers the same toggles available for the home screen on Android--however I don't have to leave my current app to use them.

And to be clear, I'm not trying to be argumentative, really just understand your point of view. We all have our preferences and I'm not one to judge one as better than another's preference.
 

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LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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Really? See my pic above and compare to Control Center. Main differences?

The only main difference I see is the audio controls, which is viewable with album art in the notification center on Android.

But what's the benefit over using a full function app? You have to make 1-3 swipes to get less info/functionality than I get with one touch on a app on my home screen? And if it is just for a quick glance, that's as quickly available on my iPhone, if not quicker.

And it's not all just at-a-glance info. My Evernote widget on iOS offers the same toggles available for the home screen on Android--however I don't have to leave my current app to use them.

And to be clear, I'm not trying to be argumentative, really just understand your point of view. We all have our preferences and I'm not one to judge one as better than another's preference.

Many Widgets are fully functional just as the app. For example, the Falcon twitter widget is probably 99% as functional as any Twitter app. It doesn't even need to be attached to any app, you can use that widget with no twitter app installed. Also going into an app, sometimes you still have to wait for the refresh.
 

Vetvito

macrumors 6502a
Sep 30, 2012
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I love android but it pains me when people say it doesn't lag, and Android is super smooth.

There wouldn't be so many fix the lag in Android videos on YouTube.
 

Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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My point is, why do i need an ios widget like Power Toggles when I have it built in and more easily accessible? Especially, as you pointed out, they do the same thing. ;)

The most fascinating part of this conversation?

iOS has widgets :)

And they work pretty well.

And big screen phones...thats pretty hefty changes from last year.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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My point is, why do i need an ios widget like Power Toggles when I have it built in and more easily accessible? Especially, as you pointed out, they do the same thing. ;)

There is no customization, it's too static for my liking. With Power Toggles, you have tons of options to create it how you want and can place it anywhere on any home screen, and even on the notification center. You can also have multiple power toggle widgets.

I personally think Apple has done a great job implementing the toggles on iOS. But when comparing against ease of use or ease of accessibility against Android, that really depends on how the Android user customizes, which isn't a choice on iOS.
 

0000757

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Dec 16, 2011
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But it just feels as though people buying iPhones now are buying simply because:

A: They're used to it
B: Their friends/family use iPhones
C: They are simply Apple fans

I really can't see anyone buying the iPhone 6 and truly believing it's the best experience that's currently available...

I'll add more thoughts as I think of them, but what do you guys think?

While all three of the letter values apply to me, I truly believe its the best experience available, but here's why:

You need to remember the average consumer. For the non-technical person, the iPhone is the best and ultimate device they can ever have. It's so easy to use. Anyone can pick it up, even without the knowledge of using a smartphone before, and instantly know how to do things. When my mom got her Blackberry (which she fell in love with), she had to take the time to learn how to use it. When she got her HTC Desire she had absolutely NO idea how to use it and ended up returning it. When she got her iPhone, I still did have to show her how to do a few things, but within minutes she was being just as productive if not more on her iPhone and doing things it took her weeks/months to learn with the Blackberry.

Everyone in my family, extended included, is above 50. There's only 3 of us who aren't above 30 years old, and the other two are not really the most tech savvy people, and both switched from Android just for the user experience.

Apple's always had such an amazing user experience that takes little to no effort to understand. Android has a VERY steep learning curve, and while OEMs have tried to make things more accessible, they end up limiting the capability of the device in the process, but Apple is just smooth sailing.

Not to mention that with iOS, you can pick up ANY iOS device or ANY OS X Machine and INSTANTLY be able to use it based off of previous experiences. My mom, who hasn't used Mac since OS 8, was able to use my MacBook without ever evening touching OS X before, because a lot of it was just applying what she knew on the iPhone with basic computer skills (though she prefers Windows just because it's what she's comfortable with). Unless you invest yourself completely in Galaxy devices, there's no other ecosystem you can do that with on Android.

Combine this amazing ease of use with the most advanced privacy and great selection of quality apps, I do think for the general consumer, which in turn is a overwhelming majority of smartphone buyers, the iPhone really is the best choice. Even people like myself who are very into technology prefer the iPhone, and I believe it gives the best experience because of the amazing privacy it offers in comparison to Android (and I've had and still have several Android devices, some that I LOVED like the Moto X, and some that I hated like the Galaxy S4). People who are very technical and really want to dig in the system still use iPhone too for jailbreaking, but people will go to Android if they really want open-source tinkering or really value immense customization, or they really like those show-off or novelty features (which is more of an OEM thing rather than an Android thing).
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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The most fascinating part of this conversation?

iOS has widgets :)

And they work pretty well.

And big screen phones...thats pretty hefty changes from last year.


Compared to Android they do not. It is a step in the right direction mind you. But not close to being the same.
 

Savor

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Loved iPhone hardware since 2007. Started hating iOS and its restrictions four years later. Moved to the improving Android and its improving OEM's software and hardware. Never looked back.

That's my short story.

The End.
 

ggibson913

macrumors 65816
Sep 11, 2006
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So Apple is doing nothing more than copy? Allow me to disagree. They are raising the bar:

1. With Google play music, many of my musics were deleted, for example. And the all access is crazy expensive!
2. Photos, like you said, doesn't have family sharing and a native desktop client.
3. iCloud is much more than that, and works well. Look at the backups situation.
4. Find my iphone, between other things, locks the phone at firmware level. ADM is extremely limited in comparison.
5. Sideloading is an irrelevant and geek-focused processe. Normal people should only use the Google play store. Eventually the little box that allows installs from unknown sources will disappear.

All Access is crazy expensive?!? 9.99 is less expensive than most iTunes Albums and you get literally just about everything you can think of under the sun. When a new album comes out, you just download it, then listen to it as often as you like.
 

pedromcm.pm

macrumors 6502
Mar 23, 2014
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Porto, Portugal
All Access is crazy expensive?!? 9.99 is less expensive than most iTunes Albums and you get literally just about everything you can think of under the sun. When a new album comes out, you just download it, then listen to it as often as you like.

iTunes match is cheaper and that makes iTunes radio "free".
 

pdqgp

macrumors 68020
Mar 23, 2010
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While all three of the letter values apply to me, I truly believe its the best experience available, but here's why:

You need to remember the average consumer. For the non-technical person, the iPhone is the best and ultimate device they can ever have. It's so easy to use. Anyone can pick it up, even without the knowledge of using a smartphone before, and instantly know how to do things.

I agree and disagree. IMO the iPhone is easier in the first few minutes but after that it's about the same if not a little more cryptic. Pick up an iPhone in the store, any of them and they all look the same. Not the case with Androids because each manufacture has a slightly different look and feel and in some cases features.

However, take a Note series home and it functions pretty much the same as an iPhone. The main phone, email, SMS, Calender, etc. are all pretty recognizable.

Where I think Apple is a bit more cryptic is in the menu system. Even today while using iPad and iPhones for years, but using my Note as a daily carry, I have to sometime dig in the settings menu of iOS for things where on the Note there's only four menus and little to no sub-menus.
Apple's always had such an amazing user experience that takes little to no effort to understand. Android has a VERY steep learning curve, and while OEMs have tried to make things more accessible, they end up limiting the capability of the device in the process, but Apple is just smooth sailing.

we can agree to disagree. I think the android menus and learning curve is pretty smooth and not difficult. Apps are apps, just set up the look and feel of your phone and run through the four menus. No different than on the iPhone. Again, I think where people get confused is Sony looks different than LG, than Samsung, etc.
Not to mention that with iOS, you can pick up ANY iOS device or ANY OS X Machine and INSTANTLY be able to use it based off of previous experiences.

Goes to my point above, however, once you use an Android phone, picking up an Android tablet isn't that much more difficult if at all. Again, just a look and feel thing and getting to know the menus of the device itself. However, the OS is pretty intuitive.

Combine this amazing ease of use with the most advanced privacy and great selection of quality apps, I do think for the general consumer, which in turn is a overwhelming majority of smartphone buyers, the iPhone really is the best choice.

I'll give you ease of use. In terms of apps, they are the same because of there only being one manufacturer.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
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iTunes match is cheaper and that makes iTunes radio "free".

Google Play Music Manager is FREE to upload 20,000 songs. You can even toggle between Google accounts on the fly, making it 40,000 songs if you have two accounts and if you have more than two, well you get the idea.

Google all access($9.99) is free streaming and downloads of any album or single. Create any playlists any way you want. It's really like having all of Google's music library on your phone.

iTunes radio is just another Pandora app.
 

kevinof

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2008
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Agreed. I keep picking up my iphone 5 from time to time but can't make myself go back to ios on my phone. I need my phone to work how i need it to work and ios, while a lot better than say 2 years ago, still has a way to go. Too many restrictions that would just (and do) drive me crazy.

Yes it has widgets now but they are limited. There is a quick settings panel but you can't change it. You can share stuff with some apps but not others. You can install alternate browsers but can't set the default and on and on and on. I think Cook gets it and will open ios up in ways that Jobs never would but it's not there yet.

ios on my tablet is fine. but not on my phone (yet).

Compared to Android they do not. It is a step in the right direction mind you. But not close to being the same.
 

pdqgp

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Mar 23, 2010
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I love android but it pains me when people say it doesn't lag, and Android is super smooth.

why? when configured properly it doesn't lag....at least not on my Note 3. Works very smoothly.

There wouldn't be so many fix the lag in Android videos on YouTube.

There are thousands of videos on youtube for just about any subject. I don't consider the number of threads or video posts on youtube an indicator of anything other than a lot of people have time on their hands duplicate the efforts and trying to get their 15 seconds of airtime.
 
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Vetvito

macrumors 6502a
Sep 30, 2012
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why? when configured properly it doesn't lag....at least not on my Note 3. Works very smoothly.

There wouldn't be so many fix the lag in Android videos on YouTube.

There are thousands of videos on youtube for just about any subject. I don't consider the number of threads or video posts on youtube an indicator of anything other than a lot of people have time on their hands duplicate the efforts and trying to get their 15 seconds of airtime.[/QUOTE]


Looks exactly like my lady`s Note 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqt2m4k7cV8

Are my eyes lying, is the video lying?

Same issue with the GS5
 

pdqgp

macrumors 68020
Mar 23, 2010
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I find all widgets to be useless on every platform (besides dashboard, on OS X, since you can have a lot of useful ones at the same time on the same space.), especially Android.

Really? Not me. I have several going on the 3 homes screens I use on my Note 3:

GoogleNow with Tiles
OK Google/Search bar is across all my screens
Weatherbug
Screen On - Touch once keeps my screen from ever going dark. Our IT has a mandatory screen lock after so many minutes but when I am at the office streaming music in it's cradle, I want it to stay on.
Redirect Call - One touch call forwarding to my preset list of numbers.
Assistant Light - One touch flash light for when I'm going to bed.

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Looks exactly like my lady`s Note 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqt2m4k7cV8

Same issue with the GS5

^^ My Note 3 has ZERO Lag on Flipboard. If you really insist, I'd be happy to show you. I flip upwards and pages upon pages load with ZERO lag. ffwd to his :30 second mark and watch....mine is nothing like that. Again, no lag. My gallery works the same way, smooth and no delay in loading images whatsoever.


Are my eyes lying, is the video lying?
It's not a matter of lying, it's a matter of either his phone or his connection speed is whacked. Just not at all what I see on my Note 3.
 

Vetvito

macrumors 6502a
Sep 30, 2012
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Really? Not me. I have several going on the 3 homes screens I use on my Note 3:

GoogleNow with Tiles
OK Google/Search bar is across all my screens
Weatherbug
Screen On - Touch once keeps my screen from ever going dark. Our IT has a mandatory screen lock after so many minutes but when I am at the office streaming music in it's cradle, I want it to stay on.
Redirect Call - One touch call forwarding to my preset list of numbers.
Assistant Light - One touch flash light for when I'm going to bed.

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^^ My Note 3 has ZERO Lag on Flipboard. If you really insist, I'd be happy to show you. I flip upwards and pages upon pages load with ZERO lag. ffwd to his :30 second mark and watch....mine is nothing like that. Again, no lag.

My gallery works the same way, smooth and no delay in loading images whatsoever.


Thank you, your Note speaks for all Notes.

Perfect.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
6,107
129
McKinney, TX
I buy and prefer Apple products for all three reasons you mention AND because I feel it is the best experience for me.

I've used plenty of Android devices, so I'm not saying this from some blind perspective of a guy who's never tried anything else.

iOS just works better for me. Part of it is that I'm used to it, part of it is that my friends and family use them (so sharing and communicating are easier), part of it is that I'm an Apple fan.

All of these things lead to a better experience in my opinion.

And from what I've seen, the Apple Watch will provide exactly the type of functionality I'm looking for in a smart watch. And I happen to like the looks. Apple put far more thought into the interface than Google did with Android Wear......at least in my opinion.

I've been ecstatic about the larger screens. There's really nothing compelling about Android for me.

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Oh, and for those who are saying lack of customization in the Control Center is a negative, what would you put in there that isn't already there?

I've used power toggles....there are things like flashlight, camera and calculator that aren't in power toggles.

There's also a bunch of random toggles in PT that I never used. So my question is - what percentage of people actually uses the toggles that can't be found in CC?

Or are we simply saying "choice is better just because, even though no one uses them".
 
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