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g0df4th3r

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I agree with him and there is no kidding about it. I buy cars based on economy rather than appearance or spec and I buy mobiles based on user experience rather than how much spec can be crammed in for the money. Do you think I am kidding myself too because of my purchasing criteria?

Would you buy an iPhone 6 with 1gb of ram or an iPhone 6 with 2gb of ram? Why do people upgrade to the iPhone 6 when they already have an iPhone 5 or 5S? As far as I know they have the same user experience since both can run the same OS. Don't you think having higher specs or better appearance can affect the user experience.
Yes I believe you are kidding yourself because every year your user experience would change with the introduction of a new iPhone.
 
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mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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So...?

He hasn't written anything since he joined Apple. The Note 4 wasn't even reviewed by Anand.

Lemme guess he secretly calls his writers to write positive stuff for Apple right?

Just look at Anandtech's iPad Air 2 review. He only mentions the positives and overlooks all the issues brought up on MacRumors such as screen quality issues, touching the back causes the screen to distort, instability of iOS 8.x, TLC NAND issue, etc. While other review sites discuss both pros and cons Anandtech's needs to be upfront with a disclaimer that their founder works at Apple so they will only discuss pros for Apple products.
 

daneoni

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Mar 24, 2006
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Just look at Anandtech's iPad Air 2 review. He only mentions the positives and overlooks all the issues brought up on MacRumors such as screen quality issues, touching the back causes the screen to distort, instability of iOS 8.x, TLC NAND issue, etc. While other review sites discuss both pros and cons Anandtech's needs to be upfront with a disclaimer that their founder works at Apple so they will only discuss pros for Apple products.

And of course there's ZERO possibility that his unit doesn't have screen issues or TLC Nand issues or screen distort issues and he got a perfectly fine unit right?

Nope. Zero chance of that. He's just biased full stop.
 

vgamedude

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Dec 10, 2013
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The problem is that perceived quality isn't the same as measured quality.

A professional photographer would say that the highly saturated colours of the AMOLED screens are appalling. But they look more vivid, so consumers tend to prefer them. So I would look at the Note 4 screen and go "ugh why are the colours so saturated and why isn't it more accurate" whereas my mother would look at it and go "oh it's nice and bright isn't it".

Same goes with the "blue/yellow tint" screens sometimes have. Yellow tinted screens are often far more accurate colour wise, wheres people tend to prefer the blue-hued ones since they look brighter.

If AMOLED and it's oversaturated colours are really better, why don't Samsung's (or even Apple's for that matter) high end laptops have AMOLED screens? It's not a new technology, and it's perfectly viable to make a 15" AMOLED screen. Because it's not better. It looks nicer on a small device where the majority of people don't care about colour accuracy.

Personally, I would hate to have an oversaturated AMOLED screen. But that's just because I value accurate colours over things "popping".

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Or you could quit calling people fanboys and discuss the issue maturely.

Good to know that people like you spout all this trash without even searching for 5 minutes. The note 4 in basic or adobe RGB has more accurate colors than the iphone. They aren't over saturated.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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Would you buy an iPhone 6 with 1gb of ram or an iPhone 6 with 2gb of ram? Why do people upgrade to the iPhone 6 when they already have an iPhone 5 or 5S? As far as I know they have the same user experience since both can run the same OS. Don't you think having higher specs or better appearance can affect the user experience.
Yes I believe you are kidding yourself because every year your user experience would change with the introduction of a new iPhone.

I couldn't tell you what the iPhone has inside it on a spec basis as that side of it is not something I do much research into. I upgraded from an iPhone 5 to the 6 because it coincided with my upgrade date. I enjoyed my last iPhone so much I was happy to have another one. It's not a great deal different apart from the size of the screen and a better camera and that was fine by me. Of course better specs improve an experience but that's not my job to worry about that. The product is good as far as I can tell. The iPhone 6 is a brilliant phone and regardless what it has inside it, I am enjoying using it.

It's not really your place to decide whether others are kidding themselves is it? I couldn't give a toss what others are spending their money on as long as I'm happy with my own choices, cheers.
 

skratch77

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Mar 20, 2013
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So...?

Has he written anything since he joined Apple. The Note 4 wasn't even reviewed by Anand nor were the 6/6+.

But lemme guess he secretly calls his writers to tell them to write positive stuff for Apple right?

Its been well known that they have been apple biased for years man.the owner being bought out just proved on how one way they were the past few years.

There whole site was nothing but an apple advertisement in all there reviews these past few years
 

daneoni

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Its been well known that they have been apple biased for years man.the owner being bought out just proved on how one way they were the past few years.

There whole site was nothing but an apple advertisement in all there reviews these past few years

Uh huh. Sure sure.
 

skratch77

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Uh huh. Sure sure.

Are you kidding me? Go read there reviews on Apple products and see how long and detailed they are.heck I don't even think they reviewed the gs4 or waited months after release to do a full review and half assed it.

Even there own posters on the forum called the site out many times
 

daneoni

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Mar 24, 2006
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are you kidding me? Go read there reviews on apple products and see how long and detailed they are.heck i don't even think they reviewed the gs4 or waited months after release to do a full review and half assed it.

Even there own posters on the forum called the site out many times

Right. Whatever you say chief.
 
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Brian Y

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Good to know that people like you spout all this trash without even searching for 5 minutes. The note 4 in basic or adobe RGB has more accurate colors than the iphone. They aren't over saturated.

Having previous experience arguing with you on here, I'm not even going to bother. You could have said that without saying "people like you". I'll say this then I'm out of this thread.

IPS produces more accurate colours than AMOLED. Like it or not, that's a fact.
 

Bahroo

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Jul 21, 2012
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Good to know that people like you spout all this trash without even searching for 5 minutes. The note 4 in basic or adobe RGB has more accurate colors than the iphone. They aren't over saturated.

how does the Note 4 have more color accurate colors then the Plus if the Plus is essentially 100% sRGB color gamut and has lower color accuracy error then the Note 4? that makes absolutely no sense, the Note 4 doesnt have any more color accurate then the Plus, even in Basic screen mode. (P.S, no one wants to keep changing screen modes to the content they are viewing, so they just usually keep it on the default screen mode which would be 130% sRGB color gamut, aka OLED saturation)

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And of course there's ZERO possibility that his unit doesn't have screen issues or TLC Nand issues or screen distort issues and he got a perfectly fine unit right?

Nope. Zero chance of that. He's just biased full stop.

Apple products year in and year out rank usually the highest and number 1 in terms of product durability and the lowest defects in all of any other companies.
Apple does make more perfect devices and units then any other company out there right now so yeah it is pretty likely he got a perfect iPad Air, and where are your sources to a unconfirmed ******** news title in being TLC Nand issues? your right you dont have a link to provide, because there is no fact or proof at all that its because of the NAND, it could simply be just how iOS handles bigger files and massive storage and that they just need to recode and update it to handle it better, many people have 128/64 gb model iPhone 6's here and alot of them dont have problems either.
 

vgamedude

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Dec 10, 2013
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how does the Note 4 have more color accurate colors then the Plus if the Plus is essentially 100% sRGB color gamut and has lower color accuracy error then the Note 4? that makes absolutely no sense, the Note 4 doesnt have any more color accurate then the Plus, even in Basic screen mode. (P.S, no one wants to keep changing screen modes to the content they are viewing, so they just usually keep it on the default screen mode which would be 130% sRGB color gamut, aka OLED saturation)

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Apple products year in and year out rank usually the highest and number 1 in terms of product durability and the lowest defects in all of any other companies.
Apple does make more perfect devices and units then any other company out there right now so yeah it is pretty likely he got a perfect iPad Air, and where are your sources to a unconfirmed ******** news title in being TLC Nand issues? your right you dont have a link to provide, because there is no fact or proof at all that its because of the NAND, it could simply be just how iOS handles bigger files and massive storage and that they just need to recode and update it to handle it better, many people have 128/64 gb model iPhone 6's here and alot of them dont have problems either.

READ
THE
DISPLAYMATE
REVIEW

I can't say it enough honestly it will answer your questions. Temperature on the iphone is too cool for one thing, just read the review!
 

Atomic Walrus

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Sep 24, 2012
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READ
THE
DISPLAYMATE
REVIEW

I can't say it enough honestly it will answer your questions. Temperature on the iphone is too cool for one thing, just read the review!

READ
THESE
WORDS

It's not sufficient to test one unit of each device which is hand-picked by the manufacturer and make claims about the quality of all the units.

The retail units are not consistent enough for these reviews to say anything significant. Go look at a number of Note 4 and iPhone 6 units like I have and you'll see that they all have wildly different white points, high APL peak brightness, uniformity, etc.

If the retail units aren't consistent then it doesn't matter how well each device's hand-picked review units measure. Aside from the actual differences in the tech (plasma-like color and black levels on OLED, LCD's much higher max APL brightness, higher res but pentile vs. lower res but full RGB) there's not a definitive winner here because of the wide sample variance.

This is sometimes known as the "box of chocolates" phenomenon; You never know what you're going to get. Manufacturing variance is the main issue with the current state of display tech.

Until reviewers stop testing the one hand-picked review unit the manufacturer sends them and start testing a number of actual retail units (and then reporting on the total possible sample variance) these display reviews are nearly meaningless.
 
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mib1800

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Sep 16, 2012
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READ
THESE
WORDS

It's not sufficient to test one unit of each device which is hand-picked by the manufacturer and make claims about the quality of all the units.

The retail units are not consistent enough for these reviews to say anything significant. Go look at a number of Note 4 and iPhone 6 units like I have and you'll see that they all have wildly different white points, high APL peak brightness, uniformity, etc.

If the retail units aren't consistent then it doesn't matter how well each device's hand-picked review units measure. Aside from the actual differences in the tech (plasma-like color and black levels on OLED, LCD's much higher max APL brightness, higher res but pentile vs. lower res but full RGB) there's not a definitive winner here because of the wide sample variance.

This is sometimes known as the "box of chocolates" phenomenon; You never know what you're going to get. Manufacturing variance is the main issue with the current state of display tech.

Until reviewers stop testing the one hand-picked review unit the manufacturer sends them and start testing a number of actual retail units (and then reporting on the total possible sample variance) these display reviews are nearly meaningless.
I think this is the dumbest post.

Wait ...dont hold your breath as the cpu you got in your iPhone can be 50% slower than your friends iphone.
 

Atomic Walrus

macrumors 6502a
Sep 24, 2012
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I think this is the dumbest post.

Wait ...dont hold your breath as the cpu you got in your iPhone can be 50% slower than your friends iphone.

You can think anything you want, but your analogy is ridiculous and that doesn't bode well for your initial assessment.

CPU production variance IS that high, however chips that perform that poorly are thrown out because they won't perform as advertised. This is called binning. Even within the SoCs that go to market some of them are faster than others (see: overlocking, undervolting, binning).

In terms of Intel CPUs the only difference between a top end part and a low end part is this binning. One CPU is unable to hit high frequencies at reasonable voltages and is thus called a lower end part and targeted to lower frequencies. Similarly a dual-core CPU is (often, not in all cases) a quad-core CPU with botched cores which are disabled.

In the display manufacturing world the same thing occurs (you'd be amazed how many panels are just thrown away), however there's no market for "lower binned" screens because you can't simply "turn them down" like you do with CPUs and sell them as lower end. This has two results:

-Huge batches of screens are thrown away.
-The tolerances for what's considered an "acceptable" screen are fairly wide.

This means that a single sample is NOT representative of the retail product, especially if this sample comes from the manufacturer. This is equally true for Apple and Samsung (and everyone else).

With any display panel of the quality expected for mass-production consumer devices you are likely to see variances like:
-White point balance (+/- 1000)
-Peak brightness (+/- ~40 cd/m2)
-Brightness uniformity (+/- 10%) <--- generous as you sometimes see up to 20% variance here in many consumer grade displays
-White point uniformity (+/- 10%) <--- this is the famous Apple "yellow blotches" effect.
-Backlight bleed (LCD-specific obviously)

The final result in terms of reviews is that reviewing one unit is insufficient to make conclusions. A reasonable display review would look at a dozen retail samples (at least) and assess the total possible variance in quality. Manufacturers don't want this to happen, which means the reviewers would have to obtain these units and the whole thing becomes too expensive to pursue.

I'll even cite a review of an Apple rMBP (supposedly famous for their high level of quality) which shows a relatively poor variance in brightness (one area of the screen is 20% brighter than another): http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-Late-2013-Notebook-Review.120330.0.html

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Obviously the reviews aren't completely meaningless (when you see big differences between two displays that does mean something), but you guys are arguing about tiny variances in dE between two high end screens as if that's not simply within manufacturing tolerances. It makes the entire debate pointless and clearly a case of "fanboy vs fanboy."

OLED's subjective superiority as a display tech is unquestionable simply due to its plasma-like properties (as the OP's title suggests). In fact I would say that for media viewing even the Note 3's display is far above the current top-tier LCD (even though it doesn't measure nearly as well). That has very little to do with precise calibration values.
 
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nickchallis92

macrumors 6502a
Mar 4, 2012
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469
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This is great. All the apple minions have been defending iPhone's LCD panels due to their colour accuracy.

Samsung pull the biggest troll move and put in the most colour accurate screen available on an OLED panel in their flagship device. :D:D:D
 
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skratch77

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Mar 20, 2013
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You can think anything you want, but your analogy is ridiculous and that doesn't bode well for your initial assessment.

CPU production variance IS that high, however chips that perform that poorly are thrown out because they won't perform as advertised. This is called binning. Even within the SoCs that go to market some of them are faster than others (see: overlocking, undervolting, binning).

In terms of Intel CPUs the only difference between a top end part and a low end part is this binning. One CPU is unable to hit high frequencies at reasonable voltages and is thus called a lower end part and targeted to lower frequencies. Similarly a dual-core CPU is (often, not in all cases) a quad-core CPU with botched cores which are disabled.

In the display manufacturing world the same thing occurs (you'd be amazed how many panels are just thrown away), however there's no market for "lower binned" screens because you can't simply "turn them down" like you do with CPUs and sell them as lower end. This has two results:

-Huge batches of screens are thrown away.
-The tolerances for what's considered an "acceptable" screen are fairly wide.

This means that a single sample is NOT representative of the retail product, especially if this sample comes from the manufacturer. This is equally true for Apple and Samsung (and everyone else).

With any display panel of the quality expected for mass-production consumer devices you are likely to see variances like:
-White point balance (+/- 1000)
-Peak brightness (+/- ~40 cd/m2)
-Brightness uniformity (+/- 10%) <--- generous as you sometimes see up to 20% variance here in many consumer grade displays
-White point uniformity (+/- 10%) <--- this is the famous Apple "yellow blotches" effect.
-Backlight bleed (LCD-specific obviously)

The final result in terms of reviews is that reviewing one unit is insufficient to make conclusions. A reasonable display review would look at a dozen retail samples (at least) and assess the total possible variance in quality. Manufacturers don't want this to happen, which means the reviewers would have to obtain these units and the whole thing becomes too expensive to pursue.

I'll even cite a review of an Apple rMBP (supposedly famous for their high level of quality) which shows a relatively poor variance in brightness (one area of the screen is 20% brighter than another): http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-Retina-15-Late-2013-Notebook-Review.120330.0.html

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Obviously the reviews aren't completely meaningless (when you see big differences between two displays that does mean something), but you guys are arguing about tiny variances in dE between two high end screens as if that's not simply within manufacturing tolerances. It makes the entire debate pointless and clearly a case of "fanboy vs fanboy."

OLED's subjective superiority as a display tech is unquestionable simply due to its plasma-like properties (as the OP's title suggests). In fact I would say that for media viewing even the Note 3's display is far above the current top-tier LCD (even though it doesn't measure nearly as well). That has very little to do with precise calibration values.

Iv seen 3 review sites hit the same white balance or pretty close to it for the Note 4 testing
 

ChrisTX

macrumors 68030
Dec 30, 2009
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The Note 4 in many reviews is said to have the best mobile display on the market right now even over the iPhone 6+. However I made the switch from the Note 3 to the 6+ with no complaints. Screen is much brighter than my Note 3.
 

Deeds500

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Aug 22, 2014
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I'm coming from the note 2, every two years I switch os. So this go around its apples's turn. But today I saw my friends note 4 screen playing COD advanced warfare ad video on YouTube and instantly did a side by side comparison . The note 4 screen while playing videos, kills iphone 6 by 10,000 miles. iPhone 6 was washed out and looked pathetic compared to the plasma looking note 4. I'm so jeolous of that screen it's not even funny. Anybody else seen the note 4 compared to their iPhone 6?

If you think that the Samsung screen, which is so oversaturated with colour that it looks like a colouring in book, looks better than the i6 screen, which is as close to realistic as you can get on a device, then that's your preference. You can't choose preference. But it's like saying a colouring in book, filled with big bright colours, is nicer to look at than a photographer's coffee table book. One is fake, the other is as close to realistic as you can get. Would you leave this planet to go live on a planet where people are bright bright red and bright bright neon green and the whole place looks like a giant rainbow? I'm sure that would be great...FOR A DAY...but surely a truer representation of colours is better than oversaturation. Surely. I mean surely. Yea?
 

skratch77

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Mar 20, 2013
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If you think that the Samsung screen, which is so oversaturated with colour that it looks like a colouring in book, looks better than the i6 screen, which is as close to realistic as you can get on a device, then that's your preference. You can't choose preference. But it's like saying a colouring in book, filled with big bright colours, is nicer to look at than a photographer's coffee table book. One is fake, the other is as close to realistic as you can get. Would you leave this planet to go live on a planet where people are bright bright red and bright bright neon green and the whole place looks like a giant rainbow? I'm sure that would be great...FOR A DAY...but surely a truer representation of colours is better than oversaturation. Surely. I mean surely. Yea?

Lol at this guy. Can some one tell him the note 4 screen(the main topic) is more natural then the iPhone 6 in colors.

Note 4 is the best screen out PERIOD.live with it and stop hating.
 

Tinmania

macrumors 68040
Aug 8, 2011
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1,016
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If you think that the Samsung screen, which is so oversaturated with colour that it looks like a colouring in book, looks better than the i6 screen, which is as close to realistic as you can get on a device, then that's your preference. You can't choose preference. But it's like saying a colouring in book, filled with big bright colours, is nicer to look at than a photographer's coffee table book. One is fake, the other is as close to realistic as you can get. Would you leave this planet to go live on a planet where people are bright bright red and bright bright neon green and the whole place looks like a giant rainbow? I'm sure that would be great...FOR A DAY...but surely a truer representation of colours is better than oversaturation. Surely. I mean surely. Yea?

There's always "that guy" who is late to the party, is unaware of what is going on, and embarrasses himself. :rolleyes:



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Technarchy

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May 21, 2012
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Are you kidding me? Go read there reviews on Apple products and see how long and detailed they are.heck I don't even think they reviewed the gs4 or waited months after release to do a full review and half assed it.

The review was about as detailed as any iPhone review, and they double covered the S4 with a hands on when it first dropped.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6832/samsungs-galaxy-s-4-introduction-hands-on

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review
 
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