My iPhone 6 Plus is jealous of Note 4 plasma screen

[Atomic Walrus]

Nope. Display mate says otherwise and the guy there has a phd and is regarded as a display expert. He says the note 4 is the best display they've ever measured on a smartphone. The iphone isn't as good.

The whole argument is absurd for one reason: Sample variance.

One review says display A is better calibrated, the other says B. The answer is that the displays are within manufacturing variance of each other in terms of the metrics used (color saturation and greyscale accuracy, etc.).

Just as an anecdote, my Note 4 has a gamma/brightness gradient from top to bottom (common issue) that crushes the first 8 shades of grey in the bottom 1/4 of the screen.

And then many LCDs have backlight bleed and white balance issues (yellow/pink/green blotches).

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As far as which is a better display subjectively I think you can only assess that when you consider usage. OLED really is basically a tiny plasma TV and in video content (in controlled lighting) that advantage is huge from the black levels alone. On the other hand LCD can get much brighter with full white screens and I'd argue that it's still a better tech for a phone from that perspective (would not recommend using the OLED boost mode if you care about display longevity BTW).

From the perspective of someone using the device as a tiny Cintiq the OLED panel is superior with the exception of the "direct sunlight" case.

 

[Tsuchiya]

Been playing with my new iPhone 6 Plus.

Yeah the screen isn't as appealing as AMOLED. Side by side it just isn't as vibrant.

Of course not to say the 6 screen is bad...but yeah.

 

[sqa4life]

The note 4 has an amazing display. But I hate the touchwiz and android itself. It feels incomplete or beta as compared to the highly polished iOS (Just my opinion)! I'm interested in the design of the note 4 btw. That thing looks classy.

Have you tried Nova Launcher? You can do so much with Android that iOS can not do. I regretted for switching from the note 4 to iPhone 6. Too bad that I passed the return period.

 

[vgamedude]

The whole argument is absurd for one reason: Sample variance.

One review says display A is better calibrated, the other says B. The answer is that the displays are within manufacturing variance of each other in terms of the metrics used (color saturation and greyscale accuracy, etc.).

Just as an anecdote, my Note 4 has a gamma/brightness gradient from top to bottom (common issue) that crushes the first 8 shades of grey in the bottom 1/4 of the screen.

And then many LCDs have backlight bleed and white balance issues (yellow/pink/green blotches).

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As far as which is a better display subjectively I think you can only assess that when you consider usage. OLED really is basically a tiny plasma TV and in video content (in controlled lighting) that advantage is huge from the black levels alone. On the other hand LCD can get much brighter with full white screens and I'd argue that it's still a better tech for a phone from that perspective (would not recommend using the OLED boost mode if you care about display longevity BTW).

From the perspective of someone using the device as a tiny Cintiq the OLED panel is superior with the exception of the "direct sunlight" case.

Do you have a better way to objectively measure screen quality? The variance certainly shouldn't be very large, and in some areas the Note 4 is substantially ahead of the iPhone 6. For instance the temperature on the iPhone 6 is 7,348 K pretty much the same for 6 and 6 plus it will be around that area unless majorly defective, the Note 4 is 6,564 K, with the ideal being 6500 K. That's a very large difference, I very much doubt that variances in the process will yield differences that large, and I have no reason to believe such.

I don't know why this is so hard for people to accept, in every objective way the note 4 is the best display on the smartphone market, I'm still probably not getting a note 4 but facts are facts.

There are many other areas where the Note 4 excels compared to the iphone 6 if you'd care to look them up. Just go compare the results from displaymate. They had a 6+ and a 6 I doubt both of those devices were defective, and the site owner of all people would know if they were.

 

[Kariya]

The variance certainly shouldn't be very large

If i recall correctly Samsung and LG make the displays for the iPhones and Samsung is the sole manufacturer of the AMOLED screens. Two manufacturers means different fabs, testing, QC etc

Almost guaranteed variance.

My first 6+ was very warm and theres no way it was in the 7k white point range. the second 6+ though definitely is.

Just read the iPhone sub-forum to see how many people are having screen issues.

 

[Tinmania]

If i recall correctly Samsung and LG make the displays for the iPhones and Samsung is the sole manufacturer of the AMOLED screens. Two manufacturers means different fabs, testing, QC etc

Almost guaranteed variance.

My first 6+ was very warm and theres no way it was in the 7k white point range. the second 6+ though definitely is.

Just read the iPhone sub-forum to see how many people are having screen issues.

I'm not sure what your point is about the 6+. But if it is "if you are lucky enough to get one with its screen made by Samsung" then it will test better against the Samsung N4 then I am not sure I would call that a positive.

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[Kariya]

My only point is there is some variance. Therefore one tested unit doesn't represent all units.

The Note 4 screen is still better all-round of course (albeit less bright, plus gamma issues) but not every 6+ screen is 'washed out' or terrible.

 

[Fireblade]

With iphone, it looks much awesome due to the retina hardware technology. No info about note 4. Looks like a blown up s2 to me.

Hihi you should get a badge "Brainwashed gadget noob".

 

[Bahroo]

I'm coming from the note 2, every two years I switch os. So this go around its apples's turn. But today I saw my friends note 4 screen playing COD advanced warfare ad video on YouTube and instantly did a side by side comparison . The note 4 screen while playing videos, kills iphone 6 by 10,000 miles. iPhone 6 was washed out and looked pathetic compared to the plasma looking note 4. I'm so jeolous of that screen it's not even funny. Anybody else seen the note 4 compared to their iPhone 6?

Yeah I compared the Plus to the Note 4 screen and I actually prefer the Plus display, it goes brighter, the whites are whiter, and the Plus also has better viewing angles and less screen reflectancy aswell

and for some reason red/blue text on the Note 4 doesn't seem that sharp to be honest, maybe because of the Pentile effect where the red and blue subpixels are only 368 PPI while all subpixels on the Plus are a constant steady 401 PPI across the board.

and the screen burn in all phone owners who own a OLED screen phone will suffer screen burn in 6 months to a year right now, this is guranteed and there is no avoiding this, no matter what you do, you will have a status bar burn in that becomes noticeable after a while and this is unpreventable, which also ruins the display in my eyes because now you have 95% of the screen uniformed and even and then you see the status bar area is alot whiter then the rest of the screen so that when you watch videos/use the phone in landscape you are going to see a white stripe down the phone (where the status bar is on the phone when you hold it up right)

I had a GS4 that had been replaced few times (all brand new replacements) and I had gotten it replaced due to screen burn in, and on my 2nd device I made sure to keep brightness always low, every few days use a color changer to shift through all the colors on the screen so that it keeps everything uniformed, and more and I still got a status bar burn in months after owning the device again, this is a big nono for OLED panels

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OLED is far superior.
If you have an OLED screen and black wallpaper that covers half the screen, the screen will actually only use have the power because the black pixels are simply deactivated.
Its great technology

So is OLED superior when you have a screen burn in from the OLED pixels slowly starting to die over the course of the lifespan of the device you own becaues OLED pixels die so dam quick?

no thanks, I will take my brighter whites, whiter whites and brighter display with less screen reflectancy then the Note 4.

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Technically that is not the correct settings menu. The one I attached is directly from "my" Note 4. In basic mode the Note 4 has the best display of any phone on the market today; period. It's been proven and tested by professionals. The only people to argue that fact are butt hurt.
And the person that said the LG G3 screen is better is smoking crack rock. LG was first with a qHD display but Samsung perfected it. Not trying to be a fanboy but it's the truth.

So you basically are going to turn your Note 4 into a LCD display and take away basically the "OLED " factor of the display that alot of people like and love about OLED? And also you have to micro manage the screen display settings to the content your viewing? talk about a headache, that is complete nonsense and 95% of people dont even bother with the screen mode settings because its annoying to micro manage the settings to the content your looking at (sorry but these modes only work for Samsung applications if you want it to be automatic in adapting to the content that your looking at)

So why doesn't Samsung make all Note 4's "basic mode" out the box then? Sorry to say man but that is beyond a headache to have to keep micro managing screen modes, i never did it on my GS4 because it was too annoying, so I just left it at default, so tell me again what is the point of buying a OLED panel display if your going or aiming for absolute color accuracy lol? Basically the Note 4 display isn't really truly better, only in one mode, but that when viewing red/blueish content, it will look less sharp also on the Note 4 display then the Plus because of the Pentile effect on the Note 4 display (note 4 display is 511 PPI but red and blue sub pixels are only 368 PPI, below the Plus's all across the board 401 PPI)

 

[I7guy]

If i recall correctly Samsung and LG make the displays for the iPhones and Samsung is the sole manufacturer of the AMOLED screens. Two manufacturers means different fabs, testing, QC etc

Almost guaranteed variance.

My first 6+ was very warm and theres no way it was in the 7k white point range. the second 6+ though definitely is.

Just read the iPhone sub-forum to see how many people are having screen issues.

Out of the hundreds of millions of iPhones sold you think you can get a real bead on a problem through an Internet forum that has maybe 100 posts in the subject?

 

[Kariya]

Out of the hundreds of millions of iPhones sold you think you can get a real bead on a problem through an Internet forum that has maybe 100 posts in the subject?

Nope, but you can get an indication. Those 100 posts are from people just like you and me in various places across the globe that purchased the device.

 

[Sevanw]

Yeah I compared the Plus to the Note 4 screen and I actually prefer the Plus display, it goes brighter, the whites are whiter, and the Plus also has better viewing angles and less screen reflectancy aswell

So why doesn't Samsung make all Note 4's "basic mode" out the box then? Sorry to say man but that is beyond a headache to have to keep micro managing screen modes, i never did it on my GS4 because it was too annoying, so I just left it at default, so tell me again what is the point of buying a OLED panel display if your going or aiming for absolute color accuracy lol? Basically the Note 4 display isn't really truly better, only in one mode, but that when viewing red/blueish content, it will look less sharp also on the Note 4 display then the Plus because of the Pentile effect on the Note 4 display (note 4 display is 511 PPI but red and blue sub pixels are only 368 PPI, below the Plus's all across the board 401 PPI)

Buy what you like, no need to spread this nonsense. It's embarrassing .

 

[I7guy]

Nope, but you can get an indication. Those 100 posts are from people just like you and me in various places across the globe that purchased the device.

Sure, its information sharing but that's it.

 

[Bahroo]

Buy what you like, no need to spread this nonsense. It's embarrassing .

Its a very valid point and statement though, someone is talking about "x" feature on a phone, but that the feature in it self and enabling it/switching it is annoying , I totally agree , buy what you like, I love both iOS and Android products, but it is a valid point and thought

 

[Vegastouch]

Yeah I compared the Plus to the Note 4 screen and I actually prefer the Plus display, it goes brighter, the whites are whiter, and the Plus also has better viewing angles and less screen reflectancy aswell

and for some reason red/blue text on the Note 4 doesn't seem that sharp to be honest, maybe because of the Pentile effect where the red and blue subpixels are only 368 PPI while all subpixels on the Plus are a constant steady 401 PPI across the board.

and the screen burn in all phone owners who own a OLED screen phone will suffer screen burn in 6 months to a year right now, this is guranteed and there is no avoiding this, no matter what you do, you will have a status bar burn in that becomes noticeable after a while and this is unpreventable, which also ruins the display in my eyes because now you have 95% of the screen uniformed and even and then you see the status bar area is alot whiter then the rest of the screen so that when you watch videos/use the phone in landscape you are going to see a white stripe down the phone (where the status bar is on the phone when you hold it up right)

I had a GS4 that had been replaced few times (all brand new replacements) and I had gotten it replaced due to screen burn in, and on my 2nd device I made sure to keep brightness always low, every few days use a color changer to shift through all the colors on the screen so that it keeps everything uniformed, and more and I still got a status bar burn in months after owning the device again, this is a big nono for OLED panels

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So is OLED superior when you have a screen burn in from the OLED pixels slowly starting to die over the course of the lifespan of the device you own becaues OLED pixels die so dam quick?

no thanks, I will take my brighter whites, whiter whites and brighter display with less screen reflectancy then the Note 4.

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So you basically are going to turn your Note 4 into a LCD display and take away basically the "OLED " factor of the display that alot of people like and love about OLED? And also you have to micro manage the screen display settings to the content your viewing? talk about a headache, that is complete nonsense and 95% of people dont even bother with the screen mode settings because its annoying to micro manage the settings to the content your looking at (sorry but these modes only work for Samsung applications if you want it to be automatic in adapting to the content that your looking at)

So why doesn't Samsung make all Note 4's "basic mode" out the box then? Sorry to say man but that is beyond a headache to have to keep micro managing screen modes, i never did it on my GS4 because it was too annoying, so I just left it at default, so tell me again what is the point of buying a OLED panel display if your going or aiming for absolute color accuracy lol? Basically the Note 4 display isn't really truly better, only in one mode, but that when viewing red/blueish content, it will look less sharp also on the Note 4 display then the Plus because of the Pentile effect on the Note 4 display (note 4 display is 511 PPI but red and blue sub pixels are only 368 PPI, below the Plus's all across the board 401 PPI)

Obviously you very picky with your screens. Ive seen you say many times the past couple years how you like your brightness all the way up....and thats fine. But i think you are in the minority there, which is also fine. My screens arent even half way up on the brightness and i dont fiddle with it much at all. Very few times ill mess with it.

Ive had AMOLED screens and ive never had a burn in so i cant share your opinion there which makes me say you must be very picky and notice the slightest things. I had a GS3 1.5 years and never noticed a burn in. My Son is using it now and it still shows no evidence of it which would make it 2.5 years old.
The ONLY thing i dont like about AMOLED screens is they are very hard to see in the daylight and my Nexus 5 with a IPS is easier to see there. Otherwise im fine with AMOLED screens and they look a lot better now than they did on my GS3.

 

[vgamedude]

My only point is there is some variance. Therefore one tested unit doesn't represent all units.

The Note 4 screen is still better all-round of course (albeit less bright, plus gamma issues) but not every 6+ screen is 'washed out' or terrible.

I never said they were. The iphone screens are still very good it's just that the Note 4s is better.

 

[mi7chy]

No point in debating. Fact is OLED is premium while LCD is old technology and cheap. Just like SLC NAND is premium with best performance and write endurance while TLC used in the iPhone 6 and 6+ is cheap.

http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-switch-faulty-flash-storage-type-iphone-6-iphone-6-plus/

 

[jrswizzle]

Nope. Display mate says otherwise and the guy there has a phd and is regarded as a display expert. He says the note 4 is the best display they've ever measured on a smartphone. The iphone isn't as good.

This is an oversimplification of the facts.

While DisplayMate DID rate the Note 4 as having the best AMOLED and OVERALL smartphone display on the market, they also rated the iPhone 6+ as having the best LCD display on the market.

So while technically, the iPhone 6+ "isn't as good", it's not like we're comparing great to terrible. We're comparing great to a little less great.

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I never said they were. The iphone screens are still very good it's just that the Note 4s is better.

Objectively, yes. Subjectively, there are still pros and cons to each that are up to user preferences.

 

[khha4113]

Wrong post.

 

[jrswizzle]

From Displaymatehttp://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm

Thanks for quoting my source?

That's what I said when I said this:

DisplayMate DID rate the Note 4 as having the best AMOLED and OVERALL smartphone display on the market

I'm not sure if you were trying to help me or misread what I typed.....

Here's the iPhone 6+ review with this excerpt:

"The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus are the current Best Mobile LCD Displays and the Galaxy S5 and Galaxy Note 4 are the current Best Mobile OLEDs Displays. Both are impressive and excellent displays with great state-of-the-art display technology."

So I stand by what I said above.

And if people here want to know why Apple continues using LCD tech, it's likely due to the fact that it's still quite a bit more power efficient than OLED tech. While Samsung has pretty much perfected OLED to the point where it doesn't have any of the old deficiencies (low brightness, poor color accuracy), LCD is still easier on the battery. And we all know how Apple loves high-efficiency parts.

 

[khha4113]

Thanks for quoting my source?

That's what I said when I said this:



I'm not sure if you were trying to help me or misread what I typed.....

Sorry, wrong post.

 

[gadgetgirl85]

My mum has the 6+ (Previously mine) and side by side the note 4 screen is definitely more vibrant. I do miss iOS though.

 

[jrswizzle]

Sorry, wrong post.

No worries, good to have the reviews linked here anyways. And I added a couple additional thoughts on the subject

 

[vgamedude]

This is an oversimplification of the facts.

While DisplayMate DID rate the Note 4 as having the best AMOLED and OVERALL smartphone display on the market, they also rated the iPhone 6+ as having the best LCD display on the market.

So while technically, the iPhone 6+ "isn't as good", it's not like we're comparing great to terrible. We're comparing great to a little less great.

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Objectively, yes. Subjectively, there are still pros and cons to each that are up to user preferences.

Like what? There are no measures where the iPhone scores better I dont think. I guess maybe if someone likes a more blue tinge to the whites I guess, but I don't see why they would. You can also achieve a very different look on the Note by changing the display mode.

Either way I'm in no way saying the iPhone screen is bad, I hope no one takes it that way. It's very good, it's just that the Note 4 display is better than anything on a smartphone so far.

 

[jrswizzle]

Like what? There are no measures where the iPhone scores better I dont think. I guess maybe if someone likes a more blue tinge to the whites I guess, but I don't see why they would. You can also achieve a very different look on the Note by changing the display mode.

Either way I'm in no way saying the iPhone screen is bad, I hope no one takes it that way. It's very good, it's just that the Note 4 display is better than anything on a smartphone so far.

From the DisplayMate 6+ review:

"Current LCD Strengths: higher Peak Brightness with high Average Picture Levels, no Peak Brightness variation with Average Picture Level, wide Color Gamuts with Quantum Dots, smaller Color Shifts with Viewing Angle, higher power efficiency with high Average Picture Levels, and much higher worldwide market share.

Current OLED Strengths: higher Peak Brightness with lower Average Picture Levels, easier to increase screen resolution and ppi, perfect Blacks and infinite Contrast Ratios, wide Color Gamuts, smaller Brightness shifts with Viewing Angle, better Screen Uniformity, faster Response Times and no display motion blur, higher power efficiency with lower Average Picture Levels."