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Navigon 1.5

I was looking forward to MyRoutes, but it seems to be pretty...lacking.

I mean, it just seems like it's not all that usable. Really what it looks like is it's taken those three choices Optimum, Short, or Fast and put it as the three options at the bottom of the screen for MyRoutes. Seems to really not have fixed the sometimes curious routing it suggests.

How can they offer you three routes and not show you the turn by turn list? It's just a map with colors going every which way. Yeah you can zoom in, but their maps aren't nearly as informative or usable as Google's. Am i doing something wrong?
 
MBHockey said:
I was looking forward to MyRoutes, but it seems to be pretty...lacking.

I mean, it just seems like it's not all that usable. Really what it looks like is it's taken those three choices Optimum, Short, or Fast and put it as the three options at the bottom of the screen for MyRoutes. Seems to really not have fixed the sometimes curious routing it suggests.

How can they offer you three routes and not show you the turn by turn list? It's just a map with colors going every which way. Yeah you can zoom in, but their maps aren't nearly as informative or usable as Google's. Am i doing something wrong?
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"MyRoutes" learns from how you drive and the routes you take. Until you train it, there is nothing new. Once it has the information about how and where you drive, it will adapt to you.
 
globalist said:
This isn't about street signs in whichever country. This is about Navigon's ability to keep thir ***** up to date.
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No this is about the local information being updated so it's avalible. Tomtom is no better as I have a standalone unit with the latest maps and that hasn't updated several roads in my area including a whole new housing estate that was built 5years ago.
 
jeffp said:
"MyRoutes" learns from how you drive and the routes you take. Until you train it, there is nothing new. Once it has the information about how and where you drive, it will adapt to you.
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So the one that is labeled "MyRoute" is the one that it thinks I'd want to take based on how I've "trained" it?
 
globalist said:
What do you mean? I have reported this issue in September 2009 for christ's sake! I even used Navigon's map reporting website and wrote them several emails. The new speed limit has been in effect for 15 months now.

How are they not able to update the maps data in such a long time?
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No they havn't updated the maps at all...

Why? Well my thought is that they are trying to figure out how to charge us for map updates. Given the way the app update process works, I don't think they can really do this easily, so they havn't updated the maps at all yet.

Once they solve the problem on how to make us pay for map updates, you will see new maps.
 
MBHockey said:
So the one that is labeled "MyRoute" is the one that it thinks I'd want to take based on how I've "trained" it?
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This is my understanding as well.

MyRoutes is supposed to take historical traffic data (provided by NAVTEQ), and actual historical traffic data from your own driving to calculate the best route.

Since none of us have had a chance to train it with historical data, it is just using the NAVTEQ data right now.
 
Brutal... been trying to download the update for over four hours now and doesn't even look like it's 1/4 done. The update servers must be getting crushed. I should have known better than trying to update on the 1st day.
 
sl1200mk2 said:
Brutal... been trying to download the update for over four hours now and doesn't even look like it's 1/4 done. The update servers must be getting crushed. I should have known better than trying to update on the 1st day.
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Nope I think it is just your connection. I downloaded it 30 minutes ago in 30 minutes or so.
 
vertigo235 said:
This is my understanding as well.

MyRoutes is supposed to take historical traffic data (provided by NAVTEQ), and actual historical traffic data from your own driving to calculate the best route.

Since none of us have had a chance to train it with historical data, it is just using the NAVTEQ data right now.
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I'm not sure this is correct ... it will use 'my' driving style to recommend a route as part of MyRoutes, but not Navteq historical traffic data ... pls confirm source on this one
 
MyRoutes as described by CNet for previous Navigon standalone units:

"MyRoutes works by recording and analyzing your driving habits, along with other data, such as day of the week and time of travel, to come up with the best route based on that information. The feature will provide up to three route recommendations, and gives you the distance and estimated time of arrival to your destination, also taking traffic, speed limits, and constructions into consideration. MyRoutes will display this information on a map to give you a visual overview of your options."
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navguy said:
I'm not sure this is correct ... it will use 'my' driving style to recommend a route as part of MyRoutes, but not Navteq historical traffic data ... pls confirm source on this one
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I'm not really sure either, but I'm pretty sure that's how NAVIGON routes without the learning feature (using historical traffic data) so there is no reason to beleive that's not how it would work without any personal driving data.
 
If it's possible, I would suggest users enable MyRoutes and create a test destination, then go to http://www.routes.tomtom.com/t/#/ and input the same destination and starting point. I think that will provide a helpful way to compare and contrast how MyRoutes differs from TomTom's IQ routing.

Assuming I can access TomTom's route planner from Safari, I'm going to see if I can try this myself when I'm on the road during heavy traffic hours.
 
LincolnsiPod said:
If it's possible, I would suggest users enable MyRoutes and create a test destination, then go to http://www.routes.tomtom.com/t/#/ and input the same destination and starting point. I think that will provide a helpful way to compare and contrast how MyRoutes differs from TomTom's IQ routing.

Assuming I can access TomTom's route planner from Safari, I'm going to see if I can try this myself when I'm on the road during heavy traffic hours.
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I tried routing from my place to the 9:30 Club in D.C. The first route was the weird-ass route it took me last time I went, the second route was much closer to what I would have driven myself, and the third was only slightly different than the second.

The TomTom route was more or less a blend of the first and second Navigon routes (the beginning of the second, the end of the first.)

Interesting.

I'm also looking forward to trying out this Panorama View 3D thing.
 
gloss said:
I tried routing from my place to the 9:30 Club in D.C. The first route was the weird-ass route it took me last time I went, the second route was much closer to what I would have driven myself, and the third was only slightly different than the second.

The TomTom route was more or less a blend of the first and second Navigon routes (the beginning of the second, the end of the first.)

Interesting.

I'm also looking forward to trying out this Panorama View 3D thing.
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Thanks for reporting your experience so far. I downloaded the Panorama feature too, already had live traffic so I figured I might as well get all the extras. :D

I set routing to FAST and allowing routing through resident only streets, partly because I'm basing this under the assumption that live traffic redirects might work better if it had the freedom to route you through residential areas to get around traffic jams. That coupled with choosing the FAST profile should logically provide the fastest possible route, but who knows if if any of this makes a difference. The Optimum setting combines the the "Fast" and "Short" profiles, but if I'm not mistaken, this is where people seem to run into weird routing issues. :eek:
 
Having compared Navigon's prior routing decisions w/ TomTom's IQ Routing (from routes.tomtom.com), I'm fairly sure that Navigon did not use historical traffic flow previously - unless Navteq's traffic flow data is poor (no judgement intended!). Now w/ MyRoutes, we'll have to check again ... thanks for the add'l info.

Edit - I just ran a dozen comparison routes between MyRoutes and TomTom routes. Definitely confirm they make different decisions. In some cases, the recommended route in MyRoutes is close to TomTom, then in other examples, the Blue route is closer to TomTom ... and then in some cases, the first half of the Orange route is like TomTom and the second half of the blue route is like TomTom ... btw, the green route often looks like a scenic option - no thanks (at least not in local area). So, hard to say overall quality of recommended routes - and i figure, i'll let Navigon learn me driving style and see what it comes up w/ - but i am not convinced Navigon is using historical traffic flow data or I would expect more similarities w/ TomTom routes. But i do like some of the MyRoutes - nice to have options. Just some add'l insight.
 
Gav2k said:
No this is about the local information being updated so it's avalible. Tomtom is no better as I have a standalone unit with the latest maps and that hasn't updated several roads in my area including a whole new housing estate that was built 5years ago.
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This is Navigon's reply to my inquiry from October 2009:

"thank you for contacting the Navigon support team.

The update to 1.3 is only a software upgrade, this will not update the maps and this is where the info for the speed limit is saved. We will release new maps soon which will resolve this issue."

Apparently, 5 months is not "soon" enough for Navigon to release a promised maps update.
 
sl1200mk2 said:
Brutal... been trying to download the update for over four hours now and doesn't even look like it's 1/4 done. The update servers must be getting crushed. I should have known better than trying to update on the 1st day.
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Most likelly your connection.
Its a 1.5GB file.
If your internet is slow it will take forever.
Mine took 6 minutes.
 
So there's no way to see a turn by turn list of each of the suggested routes?

I'm interested to see if MyRoutes really learns our driving styles.
 
well, it would be brutally painstaking, but you could run the routing 3 times, select each routing option, and go into the turn-by-turn list after each selection ... :eek:
 
Gav2k said:
No this is about the local information being updated so it's avalible. Tomtom is no better as I have a standalone unit with the latest maps and that hasn't updated several roads in my area including a whole new housing estate that was built 5years ago.
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My house was on TOM TOM maps after about exisiting for three years. It isn't on Navigon's maps yet.
 
Panorama 3D View

I am going to find a hotspot to download this during lunch. I starting doing this earlier today at a Starbucks and ran out of time. The msg after I bought it said downloading, but there was no status bar. Does the downloading msg say complete when it's done, and curious how long it took some of you to download?

Thanks!
 
stockcerts said:
I am going to find a hotspot to download this during lunch. I starting doing this earlier today at a Starbucks and ran out of time. The msg after I bought it said downloading, but there was no status bar. Does the downloading msg say complete when it's done, and curious how long it took some of you to download?

Thanks!
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Go to more, click on downloading(or something like that), then it will show you the progress.
 
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