New HP slate vid shown

[NewSc2]

It disgusts me when other companies try to copy Apple.

HP announced the Slate before Apple announced the iPad. Who's copying who?

Looking forward to the Slate. More competition = better. A file management system is desperately needed on the iPad—doing something simple like downloading a PDF and saving it on the iPad should NOT require a 3rd party app, and should NOT require a sync.

For Tablets: OSX > Windows > iPhone OS

 

[SchneiderMan]

thanks for sharing that profound thought!

Sure

 

[ciaran00]

Is anyone impressed by these 2 second mockup clips with lens flare?

Really, HP. Step up or f*** off.

 

[Peace]

HP announced the Slate before Apple announced the iPad. Who's copying who?

Looking forward to the Slate. More competition = better. A file management system is desperately needed on the iPad—doing something simple like downloading a PDF and saving it on the iPad should NOT require a 3rd party app, and should NOT require a sync.

For Tablets: OSX > Windows > iPhone OS

The HP Slate was announced at CES Jan.11th. It was a concept and still is. And there were rumors about the iPad long before this.

The iPad was SHOWN in REAL form Jan.27th.

Who IS copying who.

 

[4DThinker]

These "flaws" have nothing to do with the display itself. You don't like the glossy displays. That's your preference. You're also the only one who sees the last point as a negative and not a positive.

No. I'm apparently the only one who recognizes that when entering passwords and credit card numbers, or typing private notes/emails/etc., it's handy if the screen can not be easily seen by those sitting next to you (as when riding public transportation). I also realize the opposite is true when you WANT others to be able to see the screen or you're using a tablet that is hard to keep held perpendicular to your site line. It's both a good and a bad feature.

Obviously, you know nothing about video because you didn't talk about color, black level, contrast, etc. What about the fact that all laptops displays are 6-bit and can only produce 262,144 colors while the iPad is 8-bit and can produce 16.7 million? Yes, even the MBPs are 6-bit.

Video specs weren't mentioned in your post, so I didn't bother. Your conclusion that I must know nothing about video is idiotic. A quick check of my Archos 9 and EEE netbook shows 32bit (8bit x 3 + 8bits for padding) truecolor displays. Both easily supporting 16.7 million different colors. Both also have sliding contrast controls, brightness levels, hue, saturation, gamma, and are both LED backlit for very black black areas in photos and videos. Only the OLED screens of my Zune HD and Cowon S9 look better. I'd give you a contrast ratio for each if such a spec was findable. Please provide contrast ratio, black level, and your etc. for the iPad IPS screen if it really matters to you.

 

[SchneiderMan]

You never know HP might have had spy agents at Apple getting info.

 

[corriewf]

Uh yeah it weighs the same amount because it gets most likely less than half the battery life, duh. If Apple wanted to compromise to 5 hour or less battery life, I'm sure they could have made the iPad come in at less than a pound and even thinner as batteries are by far the heaviest component and take the most inside the iPad chassis. I'm really glad they didn't go that way though.

My netbook has the best or one of the best battery lifes out there, 7.5 hours. I hardly need the 7.5 hours of battery time. Would I like longer battery times, yeah why not. I also would like my own personal space shuttle. My point is, I hardly NEED more than 5 hours of in use battery time.

 

[imacdaddy]

We have seen these specs before. On the Archos 9.

1GB Ram (non expandable), Atom Processor, Intel integrated graphics are going to provide a fairly painful Windows 7 experience, just like the Archos 9.

Also 32GB isn't going to get you very far as a disk in a windows machine. Say goodbye to half just to install the OS, how do SSDs like being cycled perpetually as virtual memory swap file ...

But hey it will make spec sheet buyers happy. Just like the wonderful Joojoo with Flash!, of course flash currently barely works, heats up the computer and cuts the battery life to 2.5 hours.

HP is reportedly also working on an Android tablet, it might be the dark horse.

Yep!

I've touched and played with the Archos 9 here in Hong Kong. Looking at it looks fine like any tablet running a Win OS. As soon as you start operating it, it fails miserably! The resistive touch-screen is not that responsive and obviously running Win 7 desktop OS (designed to be operated with mouse and keyboard) means you cannot swipe/flick/double tap the browser when viewing web pages. Similarly viewing documents ie PDFs. It's such a pain to press and scroll using the scroll bars and using a stylus help only slightly. That and the widescreen makes viewing documents and web pages all that more frustrating just like on a 1024 x 600 netbook. The battery life only lasts about 4 hrs and about 2.5/3 hrs watching video files. Watching flash videos made the device hot and occasionally locked up the scrolling and multitasking.

Shoehorning a desktop OS in these tablet/slate PCs is not the solution. This is exactly why tablets / mobile hand devices with full fledge Windows OSes FAILED over the past 5-7 years and people still don't get it. I'd rather use my notebook running a full desktop OS doing desktop computing operations. Sorry but this is where Apple came in and made the experience better with the iPad and iPhone OS. This iPad is supposed to be a supplement to your computer, much like a netbook which is a supplement to your notebook/desktop computer.

 

[ciaran00]

How is that limiting for you? Are you going to take it when hiking/fishing?

Obviously you've never been out of the country. On an international flight.

Battery life is a big concern, but maybe not for well informed guys like you.

 

[ciaran00]

I take usability over needless "innovation" any day. IPS Screen? Who cares! The iPad is too large, one inch smaller is easier to use. Not everyone wants to carry a screen around on their arm. And, mobile touch what? Yeah, keep posting features that don't really create real usable functions. Users like you are like little kids, you only care about the shiny bells and lights. Real users look at devices in terms of functionality.

Have fun with your iPad toy where you're locked into buying everything from iTunes. Your $499 iPad will end up costing well over $1000 within a few months.

HP Slate > iPad

I wouldn't be pitching usability if i were you. You appear to be trolling in a forum for a product you have no interest in buying. You're not interested in work, or in maximizing your time. You're more interested in wasting it foaming at the mouth.

 

[mbell75]

Why does that have cover flow and the iPad does not? HP and Windows, my two least favorite things. I'll pass....

 

[tdream]

HP announced the Slate before Apple announced the iPad. Who's copying who?

Looking forward to the Slate. More competition = better. A file management system is desperately needed on the iPad—doing something simple like downloading a PDF and saving it on the iPad should NOT require a 3rd party app, and should NOT require a sync.

For Tablets: OSX > Windows > iPhone OS

Try an app call Goodreader.

 

[FlashHead]

With all due respect...This whole thread is absurd!

The proof is in the pudding. Put up or shut up!

What is all this arguing about a product that doesn't exist yet!

I've held the iPad. I've used the iPad. I find it incredibly impressive and a joy to operate.

IF someone else makes a better tablet AND I can hold it in my hands and prove it, I will be the first to put my iPad on eBay and get this new "miracle" device. Until then, I know I've got the best tablet available for my needs.

- If wishes were horses, peasants could ride -

 

[imacdaddy]

HP announced the Slate before Apple announced the iPad. Who's copying who?

We and including the industry all knew Apple was going to release a tablet device since last year. These companies caught the rumor wind and announced their own versions at CES. So the Slate was announced before hand, but who's got their product in the hands of the consumers today?

 

[drjsway]

No. I'm apparently the only one who recognizes that when entering passwords and credit card numbers, or typing private notes/emails/etc., it's handy if the screen can not be easily seen by those sitting next to you (as when riding public transportation). I also realize the opposite is true when you WANT others to be able to see the screen or you're using a tablet that is hard to keep held perpendicular to your site line. It's both a good and a bad feature.

The fact is, displays with wider viewing angles are more expensive and it's ridiculous to call it a flaw. That's like saying cars that go over 120mph are really dangerous so Porsches are flawed.

Video specs weren't mentioned in your post, so I didn't bother. Your conclusion that I must know nothing about video is idiotic. A quick check of my Archos 9 and EEE netbook shows 32bit (8bit x 3 + 8bits for padding) truecolor displays. Both easily supporting 16.7 million different colors. Both also have sliding contrast controls, brightness levels, hue, saturation, gamma, and are both LED backlit for very black black areas in photos and videos. Only the OLED screens of my Zune HD and Cowon S9 look better. I'd give you a contrast ratio for each if such a spec was findable. Please provide contrast ratio, black level, and your etc. for the iPad IPS screen if it really matters to you.

First of all, 8-bit displays have a total of 24-bits of color. There is no "8-bits of padding".

Secondly, both the Archos and EEE have 6-bit displays (18-bit). Manufacturers describe these as producing 16 million colors because they use dithering. It's a marketing gimmick and Apple was actually sued awhile back for saying the MacBooks produced millions of colors. Even Dell's RGBLED display on its Studio XPS 16, considered one of the best, is 6-bit. In contrast, almost all TVs are 8-bit.

And finally, OLED screens are HORRIBLE under sunlight. All displays wash out under direct sunlight so it isn't considered a flaw, but OLEDs are the worst. You say that is a flaw of the iPad but yet you say OLEDs are the best.

 

[wombat888]

How is that limiting for you? Are you going to take it when hiking/fishing?

Yes, why not?

My Kindle has a very strong battery/low energy use. If you turn off wireless and don't use it, the battery lasts indefinitely (weeks/months). If you turn wireless off and use it, the battery would probably last two weeks of daily use. If you turn wireless on and don't use it, the battery lasts up to two weeks. If you turn wireless on and use it, the battery would probably last a week of daily use.

It's very liberating - just as 3g is very liberating as compared with wifi.

I don't expect the iPad to match the Kindle's battery specs as it's a fundamentally different device, but I can tell you this. If I got under 5 hours of life from the Kindle and had to deal with constantly charging it, I'd rarely use it because it would be such a hassle to make sure it was always fully charged before I leave the house. And when I was using it unplugged, I'd be always furtively glancing at the battery meter. The less you do that stuff, the better experience you're going to have.

 

[Pared]

Joojoo has 5 hours battery life but when engadget tested it they got 2.5 hours and the device was getting hot. Fusion garage then said you get 5 hours by avoiding flash(!).

Now... What ig going to be of the 5 hours HP claimed?

The iPad is claimed 10 hours, but some test got to 7 hours of heavy usage to even 11 hours with a light usage.

Apple typically shoots for the middle-higher road. Most of these other companies like HP and Dell (don't get me started on Dell's battery "life") always shoot for a maximum.

Most laptop PC's have to have huge batteries to power everything. This will be no different. And Flash will kill that device, just like it does in mobile phones.

We have seen these specs before. On the Archos 9.

1GB Ram (non expandable), Atom Processor, Intel integrated graphics are going to provide a fairly painful Windows 7 experience, just like the Archos 9.

Also 32GB isn't going to get you very far as a disk in a windows machine. Say goodbye to half just to install the OS, how do SSDs like being cycled perpetually as virtual memory swap file ...

But hey it will make spec sheet buyers happy. Just like the wonderful Joojoo with Flash!, of course flash currently barely works, heats up the computer and cuts the battery life to 2.5 hours.

HP is reportedly also working on an Android tablet, it might be the dark horse.

Great post.

My netbook has the best or one of the best battery lifes out there, 7.5 hours. I hardly need the 7.5 hours of battery time. Would I like longer battery times, yeah why not. I also would like my own personal space shuttle. My point is, I hardly NEED more than 5 hours of in use battery time.

If you can justify using a device nowadays for a few hours, go for it. The rest of the industry moves forward with longer hours of operation.

 

[diabolic]

My point is, I hardly NEED more than 5 hours of in use battery time.

If the iPad had a 5 hour battery, people would be screaming about it.

 

[lg2k7]

You're kidding right??

Sorry but win7 on an Atom can't run worth a damn, not to mention this thing will only get about 3-4hrs of battery life.

And you can upgrade the ram in most netbooks. Shouldve put android on it or maybe ubuntu and that thing would fly but with win 7 and all the things running in the background it would suck

 

[Robin Chung]

This is not going to work because the touchscreen is garbage.

 

[*LTD*]

After all these years, HP and the also-rans *still* don't get it. They *still* don't get why and how Apple continues to amaze and impress.

Fighting a spec-war against Apple is a sure way to lose.

 

[GermanSuplex]

Lol, people in here are complaining about long battery life and wide viewing angles.

You can't please them all.

 

[Mr Bigs]

Yup, you got it I backup my programs to .iso's anyways

You can download it straight from Microsoft onto the tablet and then back up to a thumb drive.

 

[Fran-tastic]

Lol, people in here are complaining about long battery life and wide viewing angles.

You can't please them all.

Complaining about the angles because people are looking what you are doing with your accounts and credit cards? Just don't do it in front of them!

But I bet videoconferencing with people around you don't make you look silly(!)

 

[lilo777]

Yes, why not?

My Kindle has a very strong battery/low energy use. If you turn off wireless and don't use it, the battery lasts indefinitely (weeks/months). If you turn wireless off and use it, the battery would probably last two weeks of daily use. If you turn wireless on and don't use it, the battery lasts up to two weeks. If you turn wireless on and use it, the battery would probably last a week of daily use.

It's very liberating - just as 3g is very liberating as compared with wifi.

I don't expect the iPad to match the Kindle's battery specs as it's a fundamentally different device, but I can tell you this. If I got under 5 hours of life from the Kindle and had to deal with constantly charging it, I'd rarely use it because it would be such a hassle to make sure it was always fully charged before I leave the house. And when I was using it unplugged, I'd be always furtively glancing at the battery meter. The less you do that stuff, the better experience you're going to have.

It's a valid point. But 8 hours vs 5 hours does not make any difference because in 99.99% of cases you do not use such device for more than 5 hours without interruption and if you use it a lot for both devices you will have to charge it every night. No difference.