New HP slate vid shown

[undrpsi]

hate to break it to you, but Win 7 is a pleasure to use. I've even got it on an atom powered netbook (Acer ) and it works fine--even has the aero interface despite MS's upgrade advisor software having told me that it wouldn't work on it. was an easy install using a thumbdrive. just in case I need a PC in the house with XP, I left that on it as well. you Windows haters crack me up with your complaints that are based on older versions of windows.

and Dave, you pc fanboys kill me by 'continiously' posting in a 'mac-centric' (see didn't say fansite ) website little things that are nothing more than "..I hate Apple cause it's not a PC.." rants.

<sigh>
Dave it's not a laptop...Apple never claimed it to be. It's not a desktop, or a phone, or an anti-matter powered viagra dispensing time machine. Yet you, and others, keep trotting out the 'it doesn't do this or that' or it's not as cool as this or that....Please, for once, compare it to something in it's class.

It's not an e-reader
It's not a phone
It's not a UMPC
It's not a netbook
It's not a laptop
It's not a desktop

I have never, in all my rebuttals to you, claimed this...and I keep pointing out...Apple doesn't claim it either. So, why do you keep saying you want XXX? If you do..go buy one of the other types listed and stop whining the Steve Jobs forgot to ask your opinion before he built the damn thing. We get it...you DON'T like it...How about you give everyone else a chance to decide?

Again, in it's targeted market...what does the competition have it doesn't?

And the competition has to be in production...not 'soon to be released'...

 

[rittchard]

This may have been mentioned elsewhere, but my view is the weakest point of any/all of the Windows 7 tablets will be the applications. Yes, you get full access to all the Windows software, but so what? How much of that software has been actually developed and optimized specifically for a touch-based tablet?

That's what I found on the Archos A9, after I had everything set up and more or less working the way I wanted, it was like "now what?" I was left with essentially a weakened netbook in tablet form that had no software written specifically for it. The closest thing to a dedicated app was Kindle; with some tweaking and an inconvenient shift to portrait mode (through display settings), it was actually pretty decent. Slingplayer also worked well enough. With other programs I tried it was pretty much luck of the draw as to how effective they were.

Now maybe there will be a move by developers to start designing tablet specific versions of their programs, but I haven't heard much about that.

 

[VenusianSky]

Not sure if this was mentioned in the thread, but Engadget supposedly came across an internal presentation with the specifications and price of the Slate.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/hp-slate-to-cost-549-have-1-6ghz-atom-z530-5-hour-battery/

 

[wombat888]

Yes, the specs have been posted (but I don't blame you for not hunting through the thread for it).

5+ hours vs 10 hours is the most dramatic difference to me; there's also the question of an interface built for touch interactions vs an interface that sits on top of a desktop OS - each approach has pros and cons, but for this type of device, I think the cons are bigger than the pros for HP's approach. Of course, I say this sight unseen. I'd give it a fair chance when it reaches the market. I like HP and I do not dislike Microsoft.

 

[corriewf]

If the iPad had a 5 hour battery, people would be screaming about it.

If your an adult, that works a full time job, how do you have more than 5 hours a day to spend on a personal computer? I'm not saying the Ipad battery life is stupid or anything. More battery life is great...But it is not a deterrent for me when it is 5 hours. I have a wife and a 2 1/2 year old... I don't have the luxury of spending 6 hours on any device a day. In my house, everything goes on the charger before bed... It just isn't an issue and honestly, I don't see it an issue for most people. Even if I went overseas, I don't see myself wanting to spend my time on a computer. Yeah maybe check email for a few minutes, but I want to go have fun. I can spend time with the computer when im back in America.

 

[vincebio]

If your an adult, that works a full time job, how do you have more than 5 hours a day to spend on a personal computer? I'm not saying the Ipad battery life is stupid or anything. More battery life is great...But it is not a deterrent for me when it is 5 hours. I have a wife and a 2 1/2 year old... I don't have the luxury of spending 6 hours on any device a day. In my house, everything goes on the charger before bed... It just isn't an issue and honestly, I don't see it an issue for most people. Even if I went overseas, I don't see myself wanting to spend my time on a computer. Yeah maybe check email for a few minutes, but I want to go have fun. I can spend time with the computer when im back in America.

some of us have to be on a computer all the time...
we dont all have 9-5 jobs

 

[corriewf]

This may have been mentioned elsewhere, but my view is the weakest point of any/all of the Windows 7 tablets will be the applications. Yes, you get full access to all the Windows software, but so what? How much of that software has been actually developed and optimized specifically for a touch-based tablet?

That's what I found on the Archos A9, after I had everything set up and more or less working the way I wanted, it was like "now what?" I was left with essentially a weakened netbook in tablet form that had no software written specifically for it. The closest thing to a dedicated app was Kindle; with some tweaking and an inconvenient shift to portrait mode (through display settings), it was actually pretty decent. Slingplayer also worked well enough. With other programs I tried it was pretty much luck of the draw as to how effective they were.

Now maybe there will be a move by developers to start designing tablet specific versions of their programs, but I haven't heard much about that.

I have a great website bookmarked on my other computer that has a bunch of games and apps for touchscreens. Some of them are nice and some of them are stupid, but they are all free. If you are interested, I can link you later.

 

[Davidkoh]

OMG. Might I, the guy who updates his Macs every 10 months, and haven't bought a computer that is not a Mac for years, actually buy a HP? I just might, for one sole reason. If I buy a tablet I need it to not limit me, I would need it to run torrent programs, vlc for fullhd playback, have dvi/HDMI out to hook up to projector and such. I don't need a iPhone with a bigger screen, im 23 so my eyes have no trouble reading on a small screen

 

[corriewf]

some of us have to be on a computer all the time...
we dont all have 9-5 jobs

Yeah, I have telecommuted as well. I would never ever use any of these device for that purpose. I wouldn't even use a netbook for that. Netbooks, HP Slates, and Ipads are for personal enjoyment, not productivity as far as I am aware of. I would rather use an Imac or my Touchsmart 600.

 

[lotusindigo]

If your an adult, that works a full time job, how do you have more than 5 hours a day to spend on a personal computer? I'm not saying the Ipad battery life is stupid or anything. More battery life is great...But it is not a deterrent for me when it is 5 hours. I have a wife and a 2 1/2 year old... I don't have the luxury of spending 6 hours on any device a day. In my house, everything goes on the charger before bed... It just isn't an issue and honestly, I don't see it an issue for most people. Even if I went overseas, I don't see myself wanting to spend my time on a computer. Yeah maybe check email for a few minutes, but I want to go have fun. I can spend time with the computer when im back in America.

Agreed with vincebio. What does having a full time job have to do with being an adult? Many self-employed individuals need to be connected at all times, and for them a 10 hour battery life like the iPad's is a godsend.

 

[wombat888]

When I want to use a computer, I can go sit at a desk, I don't need it to be portable. You can get a desktop cheaper than a laptop. Desktops are more powerful than a laptop. Therefore, laptops are unnecessary.

That's analogous to lots of arguments about technology, including the battery life issue.

10 hours of battery life changes your use patterns and even mentality about a device. Basically, you stop thinking of it as a computer, and start thinking of it as something more like a book or magazine.

Yes, I could charge it every night (but if I forget, I'm screwed). Yes, five hours is probably enough most of the time (but if it's not in a particular case, oh well).

I think you're missing the fundamental point about this type of device. I don't want to plan ahead to make sure I stay within battery capacity. I want to be able to hang out at home using the device (without plugging it in), get distracted and go to bed (and forget to plug it in), toss it in the trunk of my car when I go to work the next day, go out to a coffee shop or whatever the next evening after work, and use it then. That's what I do with the Kindle, and again recognizing the an iPad can't match a Kindle's battery life due to the device's fundamentally different concepts, I certainly wouldn't want it limited to a laptop's battery life, or anything close to it.

Here is how I use my MacBook: I leave it plugged up at home. If I go out to a coffee shop, I take my charger. If I unplug it to walk around, I'm always aware of the battery indicator dropping like a rock. Get a phone call and put it down, and by the time you get back to it, you'll need to plug up again.

I think people who believe 5 hours is enough are fundamentally thinking of the iPad as a laptop and that's simply not the goal of this device. Nor should it be the goal of the HP variant. And btw I am not a fanboy of anything. I have an Android phone, a MacBook and an HP desktop and I like them all. I do not have an iPad yet but I'm thinking about buying one. I would not be thinking about buying one if it had 5 hours of battery life.

 

[corriewf]

Agreed with vincebio. What does having a full time job have to do with being an adult? Many self-employed individuals need to be connected at all times, and for them a 10 hour battery life like the iPad's is a godsend.

Well I said an adult with a full time job because it is possible to be an adult without a full time job. If your adult without a full time job ( is jealous ) than I can see having the time to be on your touch device for such a long period of time.

Heres the deal, if your self employed ( jealous ) you still probably won't be using this device for your primary computing needs..But lets say you are, because maybe you spend your day driving. And lets ignore the ability to charge the device in your car. There is no way you would be driving and using your HP slate at the same time. The standby on the HP Slate would suffice for your needs and so would the usage time. If you used it for 30 minutes out of every hour you work, you might run out of a charge in an 8 hour day.

I don't mean to offend, but really if you are using this for your primary business needs, you need to fork out the money for a regular computer. This is NOT supposed to be a desktop replacement device. It's not even supposed to be a laptop replacement device. However with that said, it does have the same or similar battery life to a macbook pro. So if you were able to somehow make up and live your life everyday with a macbook pro, im sure the HP Slate will be fine as well for battery life.

 

[wombat888]

So look - basically I don't care what your opinion is - I will not buy a device like this that doesn't have at least 8 hours of battery life, period the end. And I'm pretty confident I'm not alone in that.

 

[Davidkoh]

When I want to use a computer, I can go sit at a desk, I don't need it to be portable. You can get a desktop cheaper than a laptop. Desktops are more powerful than a laptop. Therefore, laptops are unnecessary.

That's analogous to lots of arguments about technology, including the battery life issue.

10 hours of battery life changes your use patterns and even mentality about a device. Basically, you stop thinking of it as a computer, and start thinking of it as something more like a book or magazine.

Yes, I could charge it every night (but if I forget, I'm screwed). Yes, five hours is probably enough most of the time (but if it's not in a particular case, oh well).

I think you're missing the fundamental point about this type of device. I don't want to plan ahead to make sure I stay within battery capacity. I want to be able to hang out at home using the device (without plugging it in), get distracted and go to bed (and forget to plug it in), toss it in the trunk of my car when I go to work the next day, go out to a coffee shop or whatever the next evening after work, and use it then. That's what I do with the Kindle, and again recognizing the an iPad can't match a Kindle's battery life due to the device's fundamentally different concepts, I certainly wouldn't want it limited to a laptop's battery life, or anything close to it.

Here is how I use my MacBook: I leave it plugged up at home. If I go out to a coffee shop, I take my charger. If I unplug it to walk around, I'm always aware of the battery indicator dropping like a rock. Get a phone call and put it down, and by the time you get back to it, you'll need to plug up again.

I think people who believe 5 hours is enough are fundamentally thinking of the iPad as a laptop and that's simply not the goal of this device. Nor should it be the goal of the HP variant. And btw I am not a fanboy of anything. I have an Android phone, a MacBook and an HP desktop and I like them all. I do not have an iPad yet but I'm thinking about buying one. I would not be thinking about buying one if it had 5 hours of battery life.

The same logic can be applied to the iPad. I don't want to have to plan ahead and convert my movies to some special format to play on the iPad, nor keep duplicates of all my blue ray rips in some special format. I want to be able to bring 1 device and be sure it will cover most of my needs. If I had an iPad I would have to bring my MBP too just in case I would want to actually do something else then surfing the web or playing basic games.

 

[wombat888]

David, if that's your use pattern, then sure. You probably shouldn't buy an iPad.

 

[mbell75]

HP and Windows, woohoo! I cannot wait for all the freezes, crashes and viruses to finally become portable! I always wished I could take them with me when it was only on my desktop years ago before I switched to Mac. I may have to get one of these just to re-live those wonderful days!

 

[drjsway]

OMG. Might I, the guy who updates his Macs every 10 months, and haven't bought a computer that is not a Mac for years, actually buy a HP? I just might, for one sole reason. If I buy a tablet I need it to not limit me, I would need it to run torrent programs, vlc for fullhd playback, have dvi/HDMI out to hook up to projector and such. I don't need a iPhone with a bigger screen, im 23 so my eyes have no trouble reading on a small screen

"For a tablet to succeed, it has to do several things better than a laptop and a netbook" - Steve Jobs.

Windows 7 is designed for a mouse and keyboard. All the apps are for a mouse and keyboard. How will a Windows 7 tablet do anything better than a laptop or netbook that use a mouse and keyboard? Why not buy a laptop or netbook?

 

[Davidkoh]

David, if that's your use pattern, then sure. You probably shouldn't buy an iPad.

Yeah, just like you said. You can't plan EVERYTHING, so that's why an iPad wouldn't work for me, since I don't want to plan everything I will do from when I leave home to when I get home.

"For a tablet to succeed, it has to do several things better than a laptop and a netbook" - Steve Jobs.

Windows 7 is designed for a mouse and keyboard. All the apps are for a mouse and keyboard. How will a Windows 7 tablet do anything better than a laptop or netbook that use a mouse and keyboard? Why not buy a netbook?

Yeah, queting steven jobs will prove anything... Not.

The UI they use for the slate seems to work pretty well, and I could even plug in a mouse and keyboard I guess .

Why buy an iPad when you can have an iPhone

 

[wombat888]

You can't account for every single possibility - there's no point in trying.

But you can account for recurring likely possibilities. Battery life is a key one for me - already proven out in Kindle vs laptop.

Playing a 1080p movie in a coffee shop (actually playing any movie in a coffee shop) is not on my list. If it's on yours, you should carry a laptop instead.

 

[drjsway]

Yeah, queting steven jobs will prove anything... Not.

The UI they use for the slate seems to work pretty well, and I could even plug in a mouse and keyboard I guess .

Why buy an iPad when you can have an iPhone

You still haven't answered my question. What advantage does the HP Slate have over a laptop? If you're thinking about plugging in a mouse and keyboard, that just defeats the purpose even more.

Why buy an HP Slate when you can have a laptop

 

[undrpsi]

You still haven't answered my question. What advantage does the HP Slate have over a laptop? If you're thinking about plugging in a mouse and keyboard, that just defeats the purpose even more.

Why buy an HP Slate when you can have a laptop

He won't answer...Neither will SamCraig. All I asked is for them to compare it to something in the same market...

Oh..and did anyone notice the HP Slate has a 2-core NON-USER REPLACEABLE BATTERY???? Gee, and we got s*it about the iPad battery non-issue...

...just saying...

 

[wombat888]

As I've said a few times, I really do like HP and I would like to see them succeed. They're a great American company, like Apple, Google and Microsoft (unlike Dell). They have researchers and numerous engineers. They add value to the world. Dell's only value is in assembling components to hit pricepoints.

But I do not think Windows 7 is the way to go on this kind of device. I could be wrong, and if so, I'll freely say I was wrong. But I'd rather see HP work with Google to be launch partner for an Android slate. I think that could be an extremely interesting competitor to the iPad.

 

[Davidkoh]

You can't account for every single possibility - there's no point in trying.

But you can account for recurring likely possibilities. Battery life is a key one for me - already proven out in Kindle vs laptop.

Playing a 1080p movie in a coffee shop (actually playing any movie in a coffee shop) is not on my list. If it's on yours, you should carry a laptop instead.

Nah but maybe you remember you wanna download that latest fringe episode while at your friends house to watch on the ride home or whatever. And carrying a laptop everywhere is stupid, with the same logic you could carry a batterypack with the slate.

Say you go on vaccation, with a slate you could decide to not bring the laptop. Because while away you could get your hands on the same stuff you could with your computer. No syncing is needed to add content to it.

You still haven't answered my question. What advantage does the HP Slate have over a laptop? If you're thinking about plugging in a mouse and keyboard, that just defeats the purpose even more.

Why buy an HP Slate when you can have a laptop

It's smaller and lighter then a laptop in that size. 11" laptop keyboards are too small to type on. A slate does feature a touchscreen and on screen keyboard, it can be used for the same purpose an iPad is, and it has a easy UI to be used with the touchscreen.

But it can also be used for other stuff, like plug it in to the stereo for good sound quality audio, plug into the projector, download it's own video directly to the device, no computer inbetween.

I could use a laptop for all that, but I could use a laptop for all what an iPad can do too. I can also use my iPhone for all that the iPad can do too. But the Slate can do MOST of the things my laptop can, not all of it ofc due to low performance, but most of it. The iPad can do what my iPhone does, sure it runs the games smoother, but thats about it.


I would love for Apple to make an iPad that runs OS X with a nice UI ontop to make launching of Apps easier, and an on screen keyboard that pops up in the same way it does on the iPhone/current iPad. But I see no reason spending money on a device that does what my phone does, only bigger.

 

[lilo777]

some of us have to be on a computer all the time...
we dont all have 9-5 jobs

But iPad is not a computer. It's a "device"

 

[4DThinker]

Please, for once, compare it to something in it's class. It's not an e-reader, It's not a phone, It's not a UMPC, It's not a netbook, It's not a laptop, It's not a desktop. ...what does the competition have it doesn't?

1st, Steve Jobs: Built on the shoulder of the Kindle (e-reader)..., better than netbooks. These are the reason it gets compared to both.

In production: Archos 9. Yes, not a slick as the iPad. Not as visually fast, although I haven't seen them side by side. No skin atop the Win7 UI. Weighs 1/4lb more than the iPad. 16/9 screen supports 1024 x 768 resolution (squashed a bit), 32bit color. No G-sensor. 60gb hard drive, user expandable/exchangable. Comes with Lotus works including WP, Spreadsheet, and presentation software.

Loads any printer driver(s) for Win 7. Printing ubiquitous through all apps that want it. Icons can be enlarged to make more finger friendly, and repositioned anywhere on the screen to optimize efficiency. Even the task bar can be dragged to the right or left edge for easier access from the same hand holding the device. Displays Kindle books in landscape or profile view. Free download for e-pub reader, includes access to the same sources iPad's iBook uses. Several million apps available, many freeware or shareware. Your choice of web browsers. You can also choose to view or not see any FLASH on web pages with most + an add-on. Keyboard and mouse support., or use on-screen scalable touch keyboard. The on-screen keyboard can be full-screen width for touch-typing similar to the ipad's keyboard, or you can shrink it down to thumb-type with. Resistive screen reacts to touch OR any ordinary stylus. Win7 Tablet settings allow single touch to activate, pan/zoom with swipes, etc.. User swappable 5-hr battery. Keep a $50 spare with seperate battery charger, and never have downtime while it recharges. Built-in 2-position kickstand. Optical thumb mouse on bezel for when you REALLY don't want to cross/touch the screen. Front facing 1.3mp Webcam on bezel. LED backlit screen, with ambient light sensor. Wifi b/g/n, Bluetooth 2.0, USB port on side. Mic, headphone jack. Additional 2 USB+ethernet+VGA+mic+headphone on optional dock extender. Several cases available. Any USB hub will work. External DVD/CD-RW, external HD, and any USB device supported under Win7 will work. Will run iTunes (or Zune) or any device support software. You can even sync your iPad with it. Specs.

About the same price. Once you're over the slick graphics of the iPad, what work or play can you do? Music? The Archos supports any codec you throw at it. Photos? View ANY format you may have. Easy enough to download the free irfanview. Video? Try VLC player. We've been over e-books.

Yes, there will be some iPad apps that there is no parallel for on a Win PC. There are a few million PC apps that the iPad will never run either.

Don't play that "these aren't intended for the same market" game. Every tablet out now or coming out is reaching for the exact same customer. The same ones thinking about buying the iPad.

As much as I can do with my Archos 9, I see even more potential in the Archos 7 and 8 Home tablets running android. Big app store. Just a little smaller and lighter than the ipad, and 1/2 the price.