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New Passwords App
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Sounds like something good to suggest in the Feedback app!
No different to iOS 17, as they’re in the settings menu on that…..
So take it off your home screen and keep it in the library.... With the auto-fill function the passwords app is not something you would be opening constantly, so I don't see a need to have it on the home screen.
Whether it was like this or not before in Settings in one thing, but now that there is a Passwords app provided by Apple, the fact that it is effectively only protected by a 4 or a 6 digit PIN is huge concern.
If I remember correctly, in B2 it wasn't just the Password app that couldn't be opened without FaceID, but any other app that had been manually protected with FaceID.
Now in B3 they can all be opened with the passcode after FaceID fails.
Now in B3 they can all be opened with the passcode after FaceID fails.
Six-digit passcode is the iOS default, but longer alphanumeric (special characters allowed) passcodes are also possible
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Use a passcode with your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch - Apple Support
Learn how to set, use, and change a passcode on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.
iOS 17 and before it’s only Face ID/Touch ID/PIN once (unlocking from Lock Screen), then can get to it all in settings. In iOS 18 it’s that x2, once to unlock phone, then again to unlock the app.
Also, those that are really security conscious, will use the custom numerical of alphanumerical pin option, rather than 4 or 6.
Also, the 1Password app unlocks via Face ID too, so how is this any different?
Not concerned about it unlocking via FaceID. If that's an issue for you, you can disable it in 1Password.
My concern is that if it Face/TouchID doesn't unlock after two attempts, it drops down to a 4 or a 6 digit PIN. That's not secure at all.
And yes, I understand you can have an alphanumerical pin option, but I don't want to have to enter one of those to unlock my phone, something I do 1,000/day, each time FaceID doesn't work, just so that I can make my Passwords more secure.
Again, I'm all for Apple Passwords, but there seem to be some basic design choices, regarding security, that were either not considered or were dumbed down for the benefit of ease of use by the general public. Makes even the thought of switching over from 1Password really much less likely.
To be honest, anyone moving from 1Password, what you’re not happy about is not going to bother the majority of them.
Those that have issue with it, you have the choice to remain with 1Password. You can feed back to Apple, maybe they’ll factor it into a future version.
Face ID rarely ever fails for me, think in the last month, I only recall it happening once. If it’s failing for you 1000/day then something is very wrong or you’re extremely exaggerating.
Maybe there's something wrong with your phone. I can't remember the last time Face ID failed when unlocking my phone.
There is one scenario where this can come into play: if it is not your phone but you know the phone owner’s pass code.
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It doesn't fail 1000 times a day, but it fails in the following two situations all the time.
1. Phone is lying on the table, and you're not in direct enough line of sight with your face; or phone is lying on night stand and you're in bed and again line of sight.
2. The other situation and this was more or less acknowledged by all when FaceID was first introduced is outside on sunny days, FaceID often has problems then.
And again, my point is, Apple Passwords should only be locked by FaceID/TouchID. It should not allow you to open the app with a 4 or 6 digit PIN. That is a security nightmare, especially given all the news over the last year or two where criminals shoulder-surf to learn your PIN and then steal your phone. Or as you said, let's say you know the other person's PIN, which frankly, although I don't share mine with my family and close friends, they've undoubtedly seen me enter it enough times to have figured it out by now; so now not only can you get into their phone, but ALL of their passwords. I don't know...this requires some more thinking on the design side from Apple.
But we all shouldn't stop to report it!
At a bare minimum, Apple should give us the option to use a custom password for locking Passwords app, similar to Notes locking options.
It appears that what you are really objecting to is Apple offering more than one security option. I am security conscious as well but, I recognize that there is nothing wrong with others making different choices as to how they set up and use their phone.
Maybe it's time for us to give Ricky Mondello a feedback, as he is part of the Apple Passwords team.
Ricky Mondello (@rmondello) auf X
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I am not objecting to choice. Choice is great. Apple is, historically, unfortunately, not good at offering choice, i.e. options.
I am objecting to a clear issue of insufficient security. And I am far from a tin-foil guy.
So again, I think what I'm really calling for is options. As @sniffies said in post 121, Apple should offer an option of locking the Passwords app with a whole separate from your PIN, custom, (effectively 1 password), AND also a convenience option for Face/TouchID.
The fact that Notes app is better protected than Passwords app... 🤦🏻♂️