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I think that is a bit unfair, I have read many of his posts over a good few years and found them to be unbiased. Straight talking I will give you. Well worth reading and taking note though.

It's not really unfair. I have seen a lot of his post as well over the years, and mostly I agree with him. This though has been a constant repeating of the same concerns over and over. Once you have said them, be done. I understand people are not going to love the phone. Move on though.
 
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Google Assistant may no longer be a Pixel exclusive since it seems to run on the 6P but not really surprising since it's just software. And, not to take anything away from the Pixel though since it still has a higher DxOMark score (89 vs 84), potentially better display, SOC and battery life.

What's the big deal about the google assistant anyway? They made Google Now more like Siri, wow... and who with a right mind would use Allo; it's a privacy nightmare unless you use incognito mode, which disables the assistant ;-)

Now seriously, the 3 key features of the Pixel phones (according to the store) are:

1.) Google assistant - so they made google now prettier
2.) Camera - A valid point, photos look really nice so far
3.) unlimited photos space - so that's really ********ting their customers.. we already have unlimited photo space in a resolution that's perfectly fine for 99,5% of all people.

I'm really looking forward to the first reviews after 2 weeks of use.
 
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I think that is a bit unfair, I have read many of his posts over a good few years and found them to be unbiased. Straight talking I will give you. Well worth reading and taking note though.

I am totally open minded, and I am no fanboy, if anything I'm a fanboy of stock Android Nexus line. And as far as 2016 smartphones go IMO the Pixel XL is the best.

- I respect the iPhone, I think Apple makes great hardware, and builds a very nice hand crafted smartphone. I just don't like iOS, seems very dated, and extremely limited with ZERO customization, so for me that's a turn off, but I still respect the iPhone. But I would never downgrade to one. At least not till some massive iOS changes happen.

- Samsung build great phones too lately ( minus the Note 7 issues ), with beautiful shapes and designs, the best display tech, great cameras, and cool edge screen. But I don't like Touchwiz, I think it vomits all over stock Android.

- To me stock vanilla Android is the best type of smartphone, in my opinion. I've owned almost every Nexus phone to date, and always preferred the smooth feel and operation of stock Android, with no lag, compared to Touchwiz, and other UI's. I like the freedom of the Nexus phones, that can be tweaked and unlocked, and rooted, and customized to your hearts content. To me that's a major deal.

- Now this new Pixel line, I agree as far as Android phones go, it's the only phone to get if your looking for a new smartphone, and on Verizon. But, this is where I beg to differ, that $800 price tag is a shocker and a radical change from previous Nexus phones from Google, and it does not have some key flagship features other phones do, as Waterproofness, and wireless charging, and SD/Card. And it's not easily obtainable on all major carriers. The majority of smartphone buyers get their new phones by walking into their carrier store, and walking out with a new contract and new phone. I'd say 95% of the smartphone public, will not be dropping $800 smackers on a new phone out of pocket.

- Currently have the nexus 6P, that shockingly I am still satisfied with, Normally I am switching phones every 6 months, but after having the Note 5, LG G5, and HTC 10 this year, as well as my Nexus 6P, I find the 6P hands down the best of them all, and really have no upgrade itch right now. Even if the Pixel XL was a crazy low price of $399, I still would not get it right now, just no reason for me to upgrade right now, and I don't see the Pixel XL having some massive new features that will change my smartphone life. It's not waterproof, and no wireless charging, those honestly aren't huge dealbreakers to me, but at least those would be noticeable upgrades over my 6P. Other than that a little faster processor, 1GB extra more RAM, and fancier screen and camera, are not enough for me to spend $800 to get the Pixel over my 6P

- If your cool spending $800+ on the Google Pixel XL, good for you, I can just find tons of other things to spend $800 on, than a smartphone I'd barely even notice the differences. Now a Pixel 2 in 2017, with the SD830 chipset, and waterproof and wireless charging, and even better battery technology, now that is something I can see be a good upgrade over my Nexus 6P, and worthy of the higher price.
 
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I am totally open minded, and I am no fanboy, if anything I'm a fanboy of stock Android Nexus line. And as far as 2016 smartphones go IMO the Pixel XL is the best.

- I respect the iPhone, I think Apple makes great hardware, and builds a very nice hand crafted smartphone. I just don't like iOS, seems very dated, and extremely limited with ZERO customization, so for me that's a turn off, but I still respect the iPhone. But I would never downgrade to one. At least not till some massive iOS changes happen.

- Samsung build great phones too lately ( minus the Note 7 issues ), with beautiful shapes and designs, the best display tech, great cameras, and cool edge screen. But I don't like Touchwiz, I think it vomits all over stock Android.

- To me stock vanilla Android is the best type of smartphone, in my opinion. I've owned almost every Nexus phone to date, and always preferred the smooth feel and operation of stock Android, with no lag, compared to Touchwiz, and other UI's. I like the freedom of the Nexus phones, that can be tweaked and unlocked, and rooted, and customized to your hearts content. To me that's a major deal.

- Now this new Pixel line, I agree as far as Android phones go, it's the only phone to get if your looking for a new smartphone, and on Verizon. But, this is where I beg to differ, that $800 price tag is a shocker and a radical change from previous Nexus phones from Google, and it does not have some key flagship features other phones do, as Waterproofness, and wireless charging, and SD/Card. And it's not easily obtainable on all major carriers. The majority of smartphone buyers get their new phones by walking into their carrier store, and walking out with a new contract and new phone. I'd say 95% of the smartphone public, will not be dropping $800 smackers on a new phone out of pocket.

- Currently have the nexus 6P, that shockingly I am still satisfied with, Normally I am switching phones every 6 months, but after having the Note 5, LG G5, and HTC 10 this year, as well as my Nexus 6P, I find the 6P hands down the best of them all, and really have no upgrade itch right now. Even if the Pixel XL was a crazy low price of $399, I still would not get it right now, just no reason for me to upgrade right now, and I don't see the Pixel XL having some massive new features that will change my smartphone life. It's not waterproof, and no wireless charging, those honestly aren't huge dealbreakers to me, but at least those would be noticeable upgrades over my 6P. Other than that a little faster processor, 1GB extra more RAM, and fancier screen and camera, are not enough for me to spend $800 to get the Pixel over my 6P

- If your cool spending $800+ on the Google Pixel XL, good for you, I can just find tons of other things to spend $800 on, than a smartphone I'd barely even notice the differences. Now a Pixel 2 in 2017, with the SD830 chipset, and waterproof and wireless charging, and even better battery technology, now that is something I can see be a good upgrade over my Nexus 6P, and worthy of the higher price.

I understand everything you just said. My thing is, you keep complaining about the same things over and over. We got it the first time that you did not like how much it cost and does not have that many advantages to your 6P. That is all completely legitimate reasons to not buy. Just understand that it gets old really quick seeing it every 5 post in the thread. We got it the first time.

In terms of me. I am not getting this phone, or any Android for that matter. I have not had an android phone since the Nexus 6. I am now completely invested in iOS, and because of my job I need to stay on it. It fits all my needs. I find the older I get (30, which is not old per say, but...), the less I care about customization. I just need something to work well, and works together with all my other tech. Apple does that for me, and I love the smallish size of the iPhone 7. Fits great in my hands. What I appreciate about the Pixel though is that is seems to be putting Google in the more "Apple" like system. In house built phone with the software, and created a great ecosystem. As the years go, this will only strengthen. I like the direction they are going. I like to see Google do well, and if I had to go back to android pure google would be the only way I go.
 
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Unlimited photo backups is a real draw.

And updates in the background is super cool. As a point of comparison, updating virtually anything on iOS is a joke. Requires wifi for full software updates and any app that's considered too large. All the while Nougat can do both in the background automatically with or without wifi.

The software experience is going to be really locked down in the Pixel, I think.
 
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^ works fine here ...

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Update on my colleague who needs to return his Note 7 in reluctantly back to Verizon, and he asked my opinion, knowing me s the tech geek.

I strongly suggested the Pixel XL hands down no question. I said get this newest pure Google phone, with the best support for an Android phone, and it will be an amazing device, trust me. Especially since it can be gotten easily on your contract upgrade, and won't cost you $800 upfront.

He said great, thanks so much.

I followed up with him end of day, asked how'd the preorder go for the Pixel XL ? He said sorry man, I couldn't do it. I've never heard of something called Pixel before, was worried it didn't have the same apps as my Galaxy phone. I didn't feel comfortable ordering something new like that, so I picked up the S7 Edge instead, I know Samsung, but not this Google Pixel thing.


I found that very interesting and unexpected. And he's just a regular guy, non tech nerd, just a successful Joe Blow, knows nothing about smartphone except iPhone and Galaxy. Point being these Pixel phones will be a hard sell to the 95% non tech crowd. And will remain a niche geek phone
 

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Point being these Pixel phones will be a hard sell to the 95% non tech crowd. And will remain a niche geek phone

I agree with this - it's gonna take Google 2-3 Pixels of consistently great quality and features, a ton of promotion, the right distribution channels, prominent placement in stores (or their own stores) backed up by sales staff who push their phone, and genuine USP in the eyes of consumers that they want and need to make inroads.

Basically they need to play the long game, accept being late to the party, and build their brand just like Apple and Samsung did.
 
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I agree with this - it's gonna take Google 2-3 Pixels of consistently great quality and features, a ton of promotion, the right distribution channels, prominent placement in stores (or their own stores) backed up by sales staff who push their phone, and genuine USP in the eyes of consumers that they want and need to make inroads.

Basically they need to play the long game, accept being late to the party, and build their brand just like Apple and Samsung did.

Exactly this. It will be the Pixel 3 that will finally be successful and a sales hit. I see this first Pixel launch being a super low volume, poor seller, on par with like the Galaxy Nexus sales at best. But over time, with continued advertisement and putting it out on all carriers, it should grow into something successful five years from now. But right now, it will be a flop, sales wise, meaning not even matching Nexus numbers I bet.
 
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Exactly this. It will be the Pixel 3 that will finally be successful and a sales hit. I see this first Pixel launch being a super low volume, poor seller, on par with like the Galaxy Nexus sales at best. But over time, with continued advertisement and putting it out on all carriers, it should grow into something successful five years from now. But right now, it will be a flop, sales wise, meaning not even matching Nexus numbers I bet.

I don't call that a flop, I call that building your first smartphone in house.
 

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Will lack of OIS afflict picture taking? I know OIS matters mostly for videos, but doesn't it help with photo taking, too? Eliminates more chance of blurred shots...?
 

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Will lack of OIS afflict picture taking? I know OIS matters mostly for videos, but doesn't it help with photo taking, too? Eliminates more chance of blurred shots...?

We'll see soon enough...should start seeing first reviews next week.

I've switched over to my 6P/Huawei Watch combo as my daily drivers a couple days ago to spend a few weeks getting fully settled back into Android--find the perfect set of tweaks, install all necessary apps, etc, so that when my Pixel XL arrives I can fully dive into the user experience vs. spending excessive time just setting it up.

I have to say, I'm not missing my iOS/Mac synergies as much as I thought. I'm using AirDroid to easily use my Mac or iPads to send/receive SMS/MMS or transfer files, found Snap Swipe Drawer to simulate the widget implementation of iOS (at least on the Notification pull down), and AT&T Visual Voicemail is adequately replacing the native visual voicemail on iOS. I do miss the content blockers and UI in mobile Safari (fully switched to Chrome, even on Mac/iPads to have sync across all devices) and the simplicity of sharing with my Apple using family via AirDrop from my phone but I am enjoying the more consistent Cast experience provided via an Android device. And the oh so often quoted deal breaker--iMessage--hasn't been too painful either. I love the simplicity of sharing with other iOS users, being able to see/share locations with my family, and read receipts but I also find all of the new features/functionality quite garish and even annoying--like Apple threw in everything they could think off without much thought towards simplicity, intuitiveness or consistency. Quite un-Apple-like, to be honest. I don't miss that clusterf... at all.

Using the 6P is also reaffirming my choice to upgrade to the Pixel XL as I'm finding battery life to be just mediocre, I'm having occasional bouts of lag likely associated with thermal throttling during periods of heavy usage (thanks SD810 ;)) and the camera is often quite slow. The 6P is a good phone, but not great so I'm curious to see if there is a dramatic difference when using the Pixel.
 

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We'll see soon enough...should start seeing first reviews next week.

I've switched over to my 6P/Huawei Watch combo as my daily drivers a couple days ago to spend a few weeks getting fully settled back into Android--find the perfect set of tweaks, install all necessary apps, etc, so that when my Pixel XL arrives I can fully dive into the user experience vs. spending excessive time just setting it up.

I have to say, I'm not missing my iOS/Mac synergies as much as I thought. I'm using AirDroid to easily use my Mac or iPads to send/receive SMS/MMS or transfer files, found Snap Swipe Drawer to simulate the widget implementation of iOS (at least on the Notification pull down), and AT&T Visual Voicemail is adequately replacing the native visual voicemail on iOS. I do miss the content blockers and UI in mobile Safari (fully switched to Chrome, even on Mac/iPads to have sync across all devices) and the simplicity of sharing with my Apple using family via AirDrop from my phone but I am enjoying the more consistent Cast experience provided via an Android device. And the oh so often quoted deal breaker--iMessage--hasn't been too painful either. I love the simplicity of sharing with other iOS users, being able to see/share locations with my family, and read receipts but I also find all of the new features/functionality quite garish and even annoying--like Apple threw in everything they could think off without much thought towards simplicity, intuitiveness or consistency. Quite un-Apple-like, to be honest. I don't miss that clusterf... at all.

Using the 6P is also reaffirming my choice to upgrade to the Pixel XL as I'm finding battery life to be just mediocre, I'm having occasional bouts of lag likely associated with thermal throttling during periods of heavy usage (thanks SD810 ;)) and the camera is often quite slow. The 6P is a good phone, but not great so I'm curious to see if there is a dramatic difference when using the Pixel.


It's so funny you say this because recently I've been finding myself coming to terms in my own head with the sacrifices I'll be making if I leave my beloved S7 Edge. Each day I'm imagining myself without wireless charging, for example. It's as if I'm preparing myself mentally for the switch.

I'm ready for a Google phone, I guess. The lack of waterproofing is what burns me the most.
 

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It's so funny you say this because recently I've been finding myself coming to terms in my own head with the sacrifices I'll be making if I leave my beloved S7 Edge. Each day I'm imagining myself without wireless charging, for example. It's as if I'm preparing myself mentally for the switch.

I'm ready for a Google phone, I guess. The lack of waterproofing is what burns me the most.

I can empathize regarding both features but I guess since I've haven't had them in a phone, neither are something I miss--definitely would like to have them but neither are deal breakers for me.

Regardless, I'm ready for a break from Apple. I'm not dumping all my Apple gear but I'm not investing in any new hardware for the foreseeable future as I find their current hardware/software uninspiring, and just have this general malaise towards the companies direction right now. I've been waiting for Google to take greater control by making their own hardware and I'm ready to dive headfirst into a Google ecosystem as I find their services so much more interesting. If the rumored Pixel 3 lives up to rumors later this year, I may ultimately find my sole foot in the Apple pond being my Mac Mini server to manage my family's Apple accounts/gear and as home base for my local storage (still don't like Windows :p). Will be an interesting next year for me.
 
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It's so funny you say this because recently I've been finding myself coming to terms in my own head with the sacrifices I'll be making if I leave my beloved S7 Edge. Each day I'm imagining myself without wireless charging, for example. It's as if I'm preparing myself mentally for the switch.

I'm ready for a Google phone, I guess. The lack of waterproofing is what burns me the most.

I have not found the waterproofing that big of a feature for me. When Apple announced it for the iPhone 7, I was like great I really don't care. If I am taking near water, I put a waterproof case on it. I will still that because I will be at the beach, or somewhere that could scratch up the phone. This has still not become a must have for me. Maybe just a "it's cool to say I have it"?
 
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I find waterproofing near invaluable. On my recent vacation, it rained a lot, and I had no problems still pulling my phone out and confidently taking pictures even in the pouring rain. Another factor is getting the phone dirty. I have no qualms with picking up my S7 Edge with dirty or sticky fingers because I know I can literally rinse off my phone afterwards.

These are luxurious, "worry-free" features that I find meaningful.

And for Google, it would have been a feature that would have added to their marketing push.
 

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I find waterproofing near invaluable. On my recent vacation, it rained a lot, and I had no problems still pulling my phone out and confidently taking pictures even in the pouring rain. Another factor is getting the phone dirty. I have no qualms with picking up my S7 Edge with dirty or sticky fingers because I know I can literally rinse off my phone afterwards.

These are luxurious, "worry-free" features that I find meaningful.

And for Google, it would have been a feature that would have added to their marketing push.

Yeah I know a lot of people feel the same way you do. I don't, but I understand the popularity of it.
 
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