Don't forget, the GPU (due to being dual height) in slot two will actually block the PCIE x4 in slot 3. That really only leaves you 1 PCIE 4x slot actually usable. I pointed this out earlier in the thread....
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Don't forget, the GPU (due to being dual height) in slot two will actually block the PCIE x4 in slot 3. That really only leaves you 1 PCIE 4x slot actually usable. I pointed this out earlier in the thread....
I don't agree. If a Macbook Pro is enough for what people do, then they won't buy a Mac Pro even if they have the money for it. A MacBook Pro is a good looking machine as well, tremendously actually and it's as much of a status symbol as the Mac Pro. Every Apple product is a status symbol because they are more expensive than their PC counterparts.
If all you want is an extremely fast RAID, then you can use the 3 TB2 channels on the nMP to build a 60 Gb/sec channel. Considering the overhead, you will still get around 5.5GB/sec bandwidth on that channel. So put 8-16 SSD's in three separate TB2 boxes and make a big SSD RAID and you have probably more bandwidth than you'll ever need for a 4K environment.
Well you clearly know what all people everywhere do at all times.
Tell me, what am I doing right now? (Hint: I only browse Mac Rumors while sitting on the toilet)
I reckon your on the toilet and reaching for the toilet brush after a spicy binge. You must use the new Mac Pro as a toilet brush holder.
A simple calculation:
At the moment we can pimp a cMP to a machine who is 1.9% faster than the nMP
BUT: With a new GPU-Generation or a new PCI SSD standard a cMP getting faster and faster during the nMP can not be accelerated and is more slowly compared.
At the moment we can pimp a cMP to a machine who is 1.9% faster than the nMP
BUT: With a new GPU-Generation or a new PCI SSD standard a cMP getting faster and faster during the nMP can not be accelerated and is more slowly compared.
is my english so bad?
Your GPU is a DX00 now, and it is the same DX00 in 2 years. A cMP now has a 280X and a 480X (or something like this) in 2 Years.
You know what i mean?
is my english so bad?
Your GPU is a DX00 now, and it is the same DX00 in 2 years. A cMP now has a 280X and a 480X (or something like this) in 2 Years.
You know what i mean?
Yes, but you see then nMP users, say in 2015 when that comes out, can sell their nMP for near-original 2013 value because... reasons. Then they use the money to buy a new-new Mac Pro which will include a video card from 2013! This makes it a good value today! Wait what?
At a certain point that 2016 model-year 480X video card is going to be bottlenecked by your 2010 model-year oMP's PCIe 2.0 bandwidth limitations or that six year old processor. So, just because you can upgrade your video card doesn't mean it makes sense. By the time you feel the need to upgrade a nMP, the oMP won't be worth upgrading because it's I/O (USB 2, SATA 2, no TB, etc) will be completely obsolete. And guess what? You'll still be able to sell that first-gen nMP and get good money for it, but that oMP will be scrap.is my english so bad?
Your GPU is a DX00 now, and it is the same DX00 in 2 years. A cMP now has a 280X and a 480X (or something like this) in 2 Years.
You know what i mean?
Look how well older, non-upgradeable MacBooks hold their value. You guys are delusional if you think nMPs won't follow suit. But that's okay, keep on chugging along with those oMPs. Let us know that's working out for ya in 2016!
Not sure if anyone else pointed this out (thread TL;DR), but to those relishing the idea of putting next-gen PCIe GPU's in the cMP:
Why would that work? Apple has officially discontinued PCIe, so why should AMD/nVidia even bother to release Mac drivers for the handful of cMP owners hardcore enough to want to upgrade? It is a losing business proposition. Even current or older non-Apple GPU's aren't always working perfectly.
I am a happy owner of a 4,1 and will eek out every last drop of performance through upgrades, but I know my machine is on borrowed time. PCIe support for Apple will soon be non-existent, nor will Apple continue to support this machine indefinitely with future OS upgrades.
Why would that work? Apple has officially discontinued PCIe, so why should AMD/nVidia even bother to release Mac drivers for the handful of cMP owners hardcore enough to want to upgrade? It is a losing business proposition. Even current or older non-Apple GPU's aren't always working perfectly.
I am a happy owner of a 4,1 and will eek out every last drop of performance through upgrades, but I know my machine is on borrowed time. PCIe support for Apple will soon be non-existent, nor will Apple continue to support this machine indefinitely with future OS upgrades.
is my english so bad?
Your GPU is a DX00 now, and it is the same DX00 in 2 years. A cMP now has a 280X and a 480X (or something like this) in 2 Years.
You know what i mean?
Can you show me a R9 290X working easily in the 4.1/5.1 at the moment please? I'd be very curious.
PCIe 2.0 bandwidth limitations? You can use a GPU in a PCIe 1.0 or a PCIe 2.0 x8 interface without significant performance losses.
You can upgrade evere IO by PCIe.
Example: I have a PCIe SSD Blade (same as the nMP) with 1100 MB/s, USB 3.0 and SATA 3
That's a 280x, Not a 290x mate.
Perhaps the 290X is shown as 280X? Is there driver support in mavericks for the 290X?
There is not, which is why I asked. Especially since they say the cMP will have support for future GPU's. Bar NVIDIA cards, and they have issues with updates, I don't see it being easy.
Nvidia make his own drivers, so it is much easier to upgrade with new Nvidia Cards like the Titan Black or 780Ti.
All GPUs in Books or Desktops are PCIe based, so you can use existing Apple drivers for new PCIe cards. The non-Apple EFI GPU's work perfectly, the Mac Pro SMC not.
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We're talking about hypothetical future GPUs, not current models -- the "argument" started when someone suggested that in the future you could continue to upgrade the oMP such that its GPU complement would outperform the dual D700s. At some point when those hypothetical future cards show up, PCIe 2.0 could be a bottleneck. And driver support will begin to be an issue once the GPU vendors realize there's no current Apple platform for them to tailor their products to.
Sure you can do all those I/O upgrades, but at what cost? By the time you've bought that oMP, and that video card, and upgraded all the I/O, and upgraded the hard drives to SSDs, you've spent an awful lot of money. And for what? No warranty from Apple (unless you get a refurb) and you'll still never be able to upgrade your CPU that's already outdated. And you're in a real pickle when that oMP goes to vintage status. Better to buy the nMP and not have to futz with anything nor worry about support issues.
I can see the reasoning behind continuing to upgrade an oMP if you already have one, but it just doesn't make much financial sense to go buy one today and immediately start having to upgrade it to bring its I/O up to the level of the nMP.
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Vintage status is 5 years after production stop. Stop was in October 2013.
Upgrade the oMP:
USB 3.0 = 26,26 €
PCIe SSD Blade 256 GB 1100 MB/s 280€
GPU = 50€ to open end (2x 280X = 500€)
if you have a 12 Core 3,33/3,46 Ghz it is more intelligent to pay ~1000€ then 7000€ to get the same performace.
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Agreed (and I alluded to such in my post). But if you don't have an oMP then I think you'd be better off buying an nMP.
Well, if you claim nonsense like that, that's the argument you'll get. What's the matter?
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True. If I already had a processor upgraded maxed out 2010 oMP, I wouldn't buy a nMP today. I'd buy the next gen.
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