No 2018 iMac?!

[mreg376]

EDIT: it could also mean switching ti OLED ?

I don't see that happening. OLED panels still have burn-in issues, and computer displays can often sit with still images for quite a while.

 

[ondert]

What was the huge discount? And where?

Im curious as well. The only discount I'm aware of is adorama 27" (4.2GHz 8GB 1TB SSD Radeon 580) $2,879.00

But thats not that big of a discount.

Either way i'm past the point of 2017 iMac and will at the very least wait for a next gen. If I was going to get one it was going to be last Nov when they had some big sales.

Alright, the point is that I live in Italy but I'm actually a Turkish guy. My family lives in Turkey. Well.. Turkish economy is totally desperate now ("thanks" to ignorant majority still support Erdoğan). At least we got Apple stores in Turkey, and Apple increases the prices nearly every year at big margins to compensate the Turkish Lira's losses against the USD and EUR. Well.. Apple did increase the prices at about %23 yesterday with the MacBook Pro update. Before yesterday's price increase, although Turkey is considered in EU price zone, Apple Turkey prices were the lowest in the whole world, even cheaper than US and Dubai. I was lurking to get some Apple products before the expected raise. (I did the same thing for my current 15" late 2016 Touch Bar MacBook Pro, got it at 9800TRY and it raised to 13499TRY after 3 weeks and with the yesterday's raise, the equivalent 2018 model costs 17400TRY!!!)
Anyway, the raise happened yesterday and I immediately searched for some retailers still didn't apply the raised prices and got the last iMac 27" 2017 at 9770 TRY which is about 1700€, that is a whole 1000€ lower than Apple Italy price and 4230TRY Apple Turkey price.
Actually, I was looking for the i7/512ssd version but the raise came a bit early than I expected so I had to rush for anything I can get.
Btw, the prices in Turkey are still cheaper than EU. It wasn't like that before.

 

[mreg376]

I never enjoy reading these comments as I feel the poster is blindsided.
No, Apple doesn't have the best hardware engineers on the planet.
Regardless, the thermal issues he probably meant is that the iMac with i7 gets super loud even for basic operations and that is caused by the temperature. Having fans running full blast for basic task could (and should) be considered as thermal issue.
This is also the reason why I hope that they will implement iMac Pro cooling system in their imacs to eliminate this as who wants to have a wind turbine sitting on a table almost 24/7

I have the 2017 i7, and while I acknowledge postings here about the i7 blazing its fan for basic operations, I have never seen it happen for anything except when putting the machine under full load -- such as full screen 8K 60 fps video or full throttle "folding @home" operation. And even then the noise is less than my 2007, that was at the point of full fans doing anything for over 10 minutes. All other times the i7 is virtually silent.

 

[Lammers]

imac with screen improvements can be interpreted in two ways....120hz...or less bezels, or the ideal way, 120h and less bezels

It can be interpreted in far more ways than that. Including the more likely outcome (in my view) that it gets neither of those two things.

 

[fathergll]

Alright, the point is that I live in Italy but I'm actually a Turkish guy. My family lives in Turkey. Well.. Turkish economy is totally desperate now ("thanks" to ignorant majority still support Erdoğan). At least we got Apple stores in Turkey, and Apple increases the prices nearly every year at big margins to compensate the Turkish Lira's losses against the USD and EUR. Well.. Apple did increase the prices at about %23 yesterday with the MacBook Pro update. Before yesterday's price increase, although Turkey is considered in EU price zone, Apple Turkey prices were the lowest in the whole world, even cheaper than US and Dubai. I was lurking to get some Apple products before the expected raise. (I did the same thing for my current 15" late 2016 Touch Bar MacBook Pro, got it at 9800TRY and it raised to 13499TRY after 3 weeks and with the yesterday's raise, the equivalent 2018 model costs 17400TRY!!!)
Anyway, the raise happened yesterday and I immediately searched for some retailers still didn't apply the raised prices and got the last iMac 27" 2017 at 9770 TRY which is about 1700€, that is a whole 1000€ lower than Apple Italy price and 4230TRY Apple Turkey price.
Actually, I was looking for the i7/512ssd version but the raise came a bit early than I expected so I had to rush for anything I can get.
Btw, the prices in Turkey are still cheaper than EU. It wasn't like that before.

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I'm assuming that is a 2TB fusion and not SSD. Right?

 

[ondert]

I'm assuming that is a 2TB fusion and not SSD. Right?

Yes, it is the highest end 27" without any configuration. i5 3.8ghz, 2tb fusion drive, radeon pro 580, 8gb ram.

 

[Freida]

I have the 2017 i7, and while I acknowledge postings here about the i7 blazing its fan for basic operations, I have never seen it happen for anything except when putting the machine under full load -- such as full screen 8K 60 fps video or full throttle "folding @home" operation. And even then the noise is less than my 2007, that was at the point of full fans doing anything for over 10 minutes. All other times the i7 is virtually silent.

Then you might be lucky or not sure. There is a whole thread about that issue here. Anyway, lets hope 2018 models will improve this as I won't be getting i7 if that isn't the case

 

[partsofspeech]

After the MacBook Pro update, I can guess more confidently what we will see;

*MacBook Pro got True Tone display now, probably this will the same for iMac lineup. I don't expect resolution increase because that might hurt the iMac Pro.
*We'll probably see the T2 chip inside the iMac also with "hey Siri" support.
*I would like to see Face ID capable webcam on iMac but it won't happen probably.
*For the gpu side, if Apple updates this fall, there is no chance for a gpu performance increase. There will be probably radeon pro 580X like they did in MacBook Pro. They can't put a Vega gpu because this would again kill iMac pro sales and they need to change the cooling system inside the iMac because of higher tdp of Vega gpu.
*On the cpu side, we saw the i9 option for macbook pros. So, it is highly probable that we'll see i9 option for the iMacs. However such cpu is not there yet. They say it will be ready Q3-2018.

My guess is, we will see an i9-9900k iMac with radeon pro 580X and True Tone display at max this fall.

Btw, I got a HUUUGEEE bargain and ordered an iMac 5k 2017 with Radeon Pro 580 yesterday.

The coming iMac upgrade should get whatever good things, except Touch Bar, the new MP gets. I especially like to see True Tone Display, T2 Chip, and Coffee Lake. Then a HUGE bargain on an older iMac could beat them all.

 

[gusping]

If there's 0% chance of anything, it's that. Extremely small to null probability that they'll go with Nvidia again, absolutely zilch that they'll use a top-tier gaming GPU. This has never been the case on the iMac, and it never will.

If such kind of card is what you want/need, time for that "monster gaming rig" plan

I know, i was being daft. I’m going to ‘upgrade’ my 2014 15” MBP to a Mac Mini as i have a 4k monitor, and then build a £2.5k gaming rig. Apple hardware is beyond a joke, that goes for the laptops and desktops.

 

[ShawnBoucke]

Why is there "New" on these? Are these the 2018 iMacs just without any big announcement?

 

[klatox]

Why is there "New" on these? Are these the 2018 iMacs just without any big announcement?

No. I think they keep that “New” title on there even though it’s a year old. The 7th gen processor is the giveaway.

 

[fokmik]

They need to update the speakers for normal imacs....the macbook pro since 2016 apple updated them twice, with the 2018 models that sounds a lot better

 

[DQ11]

No. I think they keep that “New” title on there even though it’s a year old. The 7th gen processor is the giveaway.

Yea it's been saying new on there for like 2-3 months now. I think at one point it didn't, then they included it again for no reason making it seem like they updated but they didn't. It's confusing and I'm pretty sure it's a marketing ploy by apple to make people think it's up to date specs when it's not.

Either way, the 2017's are still good machines.

 

[ojoaocruz]

Hey guys! I read most of replies for this thread and as many I have a dilema that I would hope you guys could help me out:

I have an early 2008 20inch iMac / 2,66 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo / 4GB RAM 800 MHz DDR2 / ATI Radeon HD 20600 Pro 256 MB / 1 TB. I know it's pretty old, I had to replace the graphics and the hard drive a year ago, since it failled, and recently the monitor is also dying, it's darker on the lower part, like a gradient, and has a green vertical line of "dead pixels". I guess this is normal after 10 years of intensive use!

I use it for photography and video editingmostly, a little gaming on free time... I'm a professional Photographer & Videographer. I moved to 4K recently on a new camera but I can't edit it on this machine, since it's painfully slow and impossible.

There is a discount on a store in my country (Portugal) for 72 hours of ~300$ on a Mid 2017 iMac 4K 21,5'' i5-3,4GHz | 8GB | Fusion 1TB | Radeon Pro 560. Being the total price ~1740$.

The question is: should I take this discount and finally upgrade for a new imac after 10 years or wait for the new 2018 imac, which could be updated in August, September, October...or even only in 2019? I heard that 2017 iMacs are still very good machines...

The thing is that my current iMac is really slow for photography and video (specially video) and I'm working too slow...

Thanks for the help!

 

[EugW]

Hey guys! I read most of replies for this thread and as many I have a dilema that I would hope you guys could help me out:

I have an early 2008 20inch iMac / 2,66 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo / 4GB RAM 800 MHz DDR2 / ATI Radeon HD 20600 Pro 256 MB / 1 TB. I know it's pretty old, I had to replace the graphics and the hard drive a year ago, since it failled, and recently the monitor is also dying, it's darker on the lower part, like a gradient, and has a green vertical line of "dead pixels". I guess this is normal after 10 years of intensive use!

I use it for photography and video editingmostly, a little gaming on free time... I'm a professional Photographer & Videographer. I moved to 4K recently on a new camera but I can't edit it on this machine, since it's painfully slow and impossible.

There is a discount on a store in my country (Portugal) for 72 hours of ~300$ on a Mid 2017 iMac 4K 21,5'' i5-3,4GHz | 8GB | Fusion 1TB | Radeon Pro 560. Being the total price ~1740$.

The question is: should I take this discount and finally upgrade for a new imac after 10 years or wait for the new 2018 imac, which could be updated in August, September, October...or even only in 2019? I heard that 2017 iMacs are still very good machines...

The thing is that my current iMac is really slow for photography and video (specially video) and I'm working too slow...

Thanks for the help!

I wouldn't recommend a 1 TB Fusion drive model. It includes only a 32 GB SSD, which is too small.

Also, you cannot upgrade the memory yourself on a 21.5" iMac. 8 GB RAM is not enough going forward. I would suggest minimum 16 GB, but perhaps more. On a 2017 21.5" you will be limited to 16 GB but on a 2017 27" you will get 8 GB and can add 16 GB more yourself to get 24 GB.

Yes, your Core 2 Duo machine is slow, but perhaps you can still change things a bit to help out for the next few months until the 2018 iMac models come out. I'm not a video editor, so I'm not the best to give advice on this, but perhaps you can alter your 4K workflow to use proxies.

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/offline-editing-and-proxies-for-faster-video-editing

 

[Internet Enzyme]

Hey guys! I read most of replies for this thread and as many I have a dilema that I would hope you guys could help me out:

I have an early 2008 20inch iMac / 2,66 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo / 4GB RAM 800 MHz DDR2 / ATI Radeon HD 20600 Pro 256 MB / 1 TB. I know it's pretty old, I had to replace the graphics and the hard drive a year ago, since it failled, and recently the monitor is also dying, it's darker on the lower part, like a gradient, and has a green vertical line of "dead pixels". I guess this is normal after 10 years of intensive use!

I use it for photography and video editingmostly, a little gaming on free time... I'm a professional Photographer & Videographer. I moved to 4K recently on a new camera but I can't edit it on this machine, since it's painfully slow and impossible.

There is a discount on a store in my country (Portugal) for 72 hours of ~300$ on a Mid 2017 iMac 4K 21,5'' i5-3,4GHz | 8GB | Fusion 1TB | Radeon Pro 560. Being the total price ~1740$.

The question is: should I take this discount and finally upgrade for a new imac after 10 years or wait for the new 2018 imac, which could be updated in August, September, October...or even only in 2019? I heard that 2017 iMacs are still very good machines...

The thing is that my current iMac is really slow for photography and video (specially video) and I'm working too slow...

Thanks for the help!

I mean, your situation sounds very very dire. A green line going through the screen and a backlight issue like that would have caused me to upgrade years ago. I think that the 2017 models would be an insane jump for you. Would strongly advise maxing out everything that is feasible in your config. That’s what I did. Sure, it’ll cost you a pretty penny, but 8GB of RAM is just way way too little in 2018. And if you were willing to keep a computer for 10 years with all of those issues, then you can probably wait until the 2018 models are out in October. Coffee Lake is a significant CPU upgrade, so it may be worth it.

 

[ojoaocruz]

I wouldn't recommend a 1 TB Fusion drive model. It includes only a 32 GB SSD, which is too small.

Also, you cannot upgrade the memory yourself on a 21.5" iMac. 8 GB RAM is not enough going forward. I would suggest minimum 16 GB, but perhaps more. On a 2017 21.5" you will be limited to 16 GB but on a 2017 27" you will get 8 GB and can add 16 GB more yourself to get 24 GB.

Yes, your Core 2 Duo machine is slow, but perhaps you can still change things a bit to help out for the next few months until the 2018 iMac models come out. I'm not a video editor, so I'm not the best to give advice on this, but perhaps you can alter your 4K workflow to use proxies.

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/offline-editing-and-proxies-for-faster-video-editing

I've tried proxies but still takes a long long time to convert everything, I'm talking days... So I guess I'll wait untill October and hang on to this iMac a little bit longer before I abandon it
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I mean, your situation sounds very very dire. A green line going through the screen and a backlight issue like that would have caused me to upgrade years ago. I think that the 2017 models would be an insane jump for you. Would strongly advise maxing out everything that is feasible in your config. That’s what I did. Sure, it’ll cost you a pretty penny, but 8GB of RAM is just way way too little in 2018. And if you were willing to keep a computer for 10 years with all of those issues, then you can probably wait until the 2018 models are out in October. Coffee Lake is a significant CPU upgrade, so it may be worth it.

Thanks! Are you sure they'll come out in October, that's most likely yes? I read rumors about not coming out at all this year... I think I'll wait some more months then I've worked with 2017 imac and it's really amazing for me, coming from a 2008 imac!

 

[ThisBougieLife]

^ Ming-Chi Kuo's rumor said that iMacs were coming in the fall with "significant display performance upgrades". He's usually pretty reliable, so I'm betting on October at this point

 

[klatox]

Yea it's been saying new on there for like 2-3 months now. I think at one point it didn't, then they included it again for no reason making it seem like they updated but they didn't. It's confusing and I'm pretty sure it's a marketing ploy by apple to make people think it's up to date specs when it's not.

Either way, the 2017's are still good machines.

Yeah I agree the 2017 is still fine. Even my 2015 is still running strong. I think it’s just kind of annoying that 8th gen processor have been out a while now and Apple is always slow to release.

 

[lishaoalox]

^ Ming-Chi Kuo's rumor said that iMacs were coming in the fall with "significant display performance upgrades". He's usually pretty reliable, so I'm betting on October at this point

Same as this.
But the waiting time is really unbearable.
Waiting for so long, but have to keep waiting to see if there is a new version.
Expecting both new iMac and new MacBook Air (or its successor.)

 

[ayyy_lmao]

I hope apple updates the cooling system in the 2018 imacs but I'm not to hopeful they will...
If they do though, I'll be over the moon!!!!!

 

[Ifti]

I was back and forward about whether to replace my current systems with an iMAC or MacBook Pro. An iMAC would be more bang for the buck, but I do like working on a laptop to be honest.
In the end I gave up on waiting for the iMAC - just ordered a MacBook Pro instead

 

[Mr. Heckles]

I just hopes updates are soon. My mom is in desperate need of a new iMac.

 

[freddiecable]

If they update the iMac should they not just mimic the thermal/cooling system from the iMac Pro?

And since the i9 is released for the MBP - it should not be too long until we see i9 in the iMac?

I hope apple updates the cooling system in the 2018 imacs but I'm not to hopeful they will...
If they do though, I'll be over the moon!!!!!

 

[throAU]

It did seem fairly unlikely that the Mac team would release an iMac half a year after the iMac Pro and as they work on the Mac Pro and Mac Mini,

hahahahahaha

hahahahahaha

I don't think so. They could have put out an updated Mac Pro that would be far superior to anything they've put out way back in 2013. Just fill a 2010 style case with top flight components. Job done. Don't need any magical and revolutionary packaging. Workstation component packaging is a design problem that has been SOLVED for 20+ years at this point.

Workstation users want PCIe slots for standard peripherals in a case big enough to house them.

The trash can may have been a viable option if Apple hadn't essentially abandoned the thunderbolt peripheral market (and basically abandoned the idea of eGPU, etc. for 6+ years) and it wasn't full of exorbitantly priced niche hardware from third parties.


Apple right now are having their "Microsoft Windows 8" time.

Soldiering on ahead despite repeated user criticism that they're losing the plot.

Hopefully they'll wake up eventually.
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I thought maybe they would at least release the non-Pro iMacs with a space gray color, given the availability of the peripherals.

No way. Apple is a status and fashion company to some degree. You want the space grey colour, you need to shell out for the iMac Pro, buddy.