No 2018 iMac?!

[Internet Enzyme]

I actually disable even the ambient light sensor on my 2017 5K, after calibration. The screen has to constantly set at sub 50% brightness to maintain greyscale uniformity. I am definitely not going to let a sensor arbitrarily determines my white point on the fly (which is what TrueTone is).

Of course for non-color-critical scenarios, TrueTone is a more intuitive / trouble free feature. But much more meaningful on MacBooks and iPads though, which goes through different light sources all day.

I agree with turning of the ambient light sensor. But the thing is, sub 50% backlight is not exactly feasible if you sit next to a window (which I plan on doing) with its glossy display. Also, aesthetically, a brighter display usually looks more impressive: the colors ‘pop’ or whatever more. Although in terms of exposure adjustments, having a display that’s significantly brighter than most target devices can lead to incorrectly judging the shadow’s luminance, making shadows ‘visually’ clipped to some, even if the shadows aren’t actually clipped.

Also, when dealing with a standard such as HDR, which is entirely based around having very bright luminance values of 1000 nits, of course having a super bright display is good. Although the iMac doesnt reach such brightness levels, but if you plan on sort of grading HDR on an iMac, you pretty much have to get as bright a display as possible. Now im really just talking about nonsense lol but I definitely plan on allowing my iMac to go above 50% backlight depending on the relative room brightness
[doublepost=1531420005][/doublepost]Oh, and about the GPU on the next iMac: I believe they will do the same thing they’ve done here with the Macbook Pro. Just use gddr5 memory and throw an x at the end of the name. So it will be 580X with 8GB of gddr5 ram probably

 

[keef90]

So with the release of the Macbook Pro today, does that mean the new iMac could be imminent? I'm agonizing over this as my mid-2010 Mac Pro is in dire need of replacement and I plan on getting an iMac soon.

 

[Internet Enzyme]

So with the release of the Macbook Pro today, does that mean the new iMac could be imminent? I'm agonizing over this as my mid-2010 Mac Pro is in dire need of replacement and I plan on getting an iMac soon.

My guess is an october event. I think the reason for this surprise release may be to get some of those back to school sales. I dunno.

 

[navaira]

My guess is an october event. I think the reason for this surprise release may be to get some of those back to school sales. I dunno.

With those prices those must be private schools only ;P

I *so* wish they would have updated iMacs! We have 15 more days to return this one, but somehow I don't think there will be another update within two weeks. September looks more likely

 

[Glmnet1]

While we're waiting for the 2018 iMacs we need to do something about this thread

First, the title is really pessimistic, we need to believe there will be a 2018 iMac! @Internet Enzyme, I'm counting on you to do something about this.

Then we need to do something about that post count, we're nowhere near the "Waiting for the 2018 MPB", no wonder we didn't get new iMacs today!

 

[kazmac]

Lots of angry people, but apple doesnt seem to care anymore... where has this culture come from?

Pardon my butt in, as I am sure you were being rhetorical, Apple’s not caring comes from their ridiculous profits due to the phone and other products and services. Sitting on their laurels awhile now. The mounting negative press, feedback from customers (pros and consumers), and class action lawsuits are not really making a dent because Apple are charging a lot more, but still sleeping on getting their software and hardware stabilized. They have got a lot to prove to some of their customers. Frankly I am annoyed at myself that it is so hard for me to walk away; but I just do not have time or the inclination to babysit an OS (Windows10).

I wouldn’t be so frustrated, if Apple sucked it up and got to work fixing their QC in software and hardware.

As far as 2018 iMacs, I would expect 6 core machines now.

 

[Lammers]

Where can I access that?

9to5mac has a summary, including that graphic.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/11/kuo-iphone-ipad-mac-apple-watch-rumors/

I don’t think the research is posted publically, unfortunately.

 

[Glmnet1]

9to5mac has a summary, including that graphic.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/11/kuo-iphone-ipad-mac-apple-watch-rumors/

I don’t think the research is posted publically, unfortunately.

Thank you!

 

[Lammers]

Plus it would seem that apple may have done some work if they have spent so much time, but the likelihood is it will be very similar, same thermal issues.

Sorry, what thermal issues? Despite the many posts on this and other forums about people’s concerns about iMacs running hot, I’m not aware of any actual issues with longevity amongst the millions (presumably) of iMacs that Apple has shipped. iMacs are certified to run under full load in ambient temperatures far higher than any of us would want to actually sit and use a computer in. And Apple has arguably the best hardware engineers on the planet.

The reckoning is coming.

Sorry, what reckoning is coming? I believe Mac sales are growing year-on-year, and in a PC market that is declining overall.

 

[mreg376]

Sorry, what thermal issues? Despite the many posts on this and other forums about people’s concerns about iMacs running hot, I’m not aware of any actual issues with longevity amongst the millions (presumably) of iMacs that Apple has shipped. iMacs are certified to run under full load in ambient temperatures far higher than any of us would want to actually sit and use a computer in. And Apple has arguably the best hardware engineers on the planet.

Sorry, what reckoning is coming? I believe Mac sales are growing year-on-year, and in a PC market that is declining overall.

I agree on both counts. I love listening to the Prophets of Doom.

 

[wardie]

I agree on both counts. I love listening to the Prophets of Doom.

Yes, but their last album was a bit of a comedown. I think they’ve sold out.

 

[mreg376]

Yes, but their last album was a bit of a comedown. I think they’ve sold out.

No, you're thinking about the Profits of Doom...

 

[krazzix]

The last Nvidia Mac offered up to the 780M. Todays equivalent of that is (as the name indicates) the 1080/1180. A switch to Nvidia may be unlikely, but is always possible. Compared to Nvidia, AMDs cards are lacklustre in performance and their lineup is messy. I guess that's why Apple feels they are the perfect match.

I truly hope they'll put Nvidia's new card in the new iMac. If they stick with AMD, they have to wait till 2019 for the new Navi GPU. I think VEGA is only possible for the Pro because of heat, especially if the iMac get a slimmer redesign. Or if they release an iMac now, it will still have the AMD 580, which is basically the same as the 480.

Gaming is not my top priority when buying a new iMac, but I'm not buying one with a 2 year old GPU.

 

[Fishrrman]

I'm beginning to think there may not be an iMac "upgrade" until sometime next year.
I hope to be proven wrong.

 

[xgman]

I'm beginning to think there may not be an iMac "upgrade" until sometime next year.
I hope to be proven wrong.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. I think it's a 50/50 shot. And 99.999% that it will only be a speed bump for sure. But I would like to see a 6 core this fall-winter. It would be a smarter move for Apple than waiting regardless of what gpu they use.

 

[ondert]

After the MacBook Pro update, I can guess more confidently what we will see;

*MacBook Pro got True Tone display now, probably this will the same for iMac lineup. I don't expect resolution increase because that might hurt the iMac Pro.
*We'll probably see the T2 chip inside the iMac also with "hey Siri" support.
*I would like to see Face ID capable webcam on iMac but it won't happen probably.
*For the gpu side, if Apple updates this fall, there is no chance for a gpu performance increase. There will be probably radeon pro 580X like they did in MacBook Pro. They can't put a Vega gpu because this would again kill iMac pro sales and they need to change the cooling system inside the iMac because of higher tdp of Vega gpu.
*On the cpu side, we saw the i9 option for macbook pros. So, it is highly probable that we'll see i9 option for the iMacs. However such cpu is not there yet. They say it will be ready Q3-2018.

My guess is, we will see an i9-9900k iMac with radeon pro 580X and True Tone display at max this fall.

Btw, I got a HUUUGEEE bargain and ordered an iMac 5k 2017 with Radeon Pro 580 yesterday.

 

[martmeister]

I couldn't wait any longer since my 2011 is dying to graphics card issues (again, already replaced once). I went with an insane deal on Adorama. It was a new 2015 27", 512GB SSD, 32GB RAM for $1800. It was over $3000 retail. So all of the depreciation is already lost. Figured I hang on to it for a year or two, and then upgrade again when the next gen comes out.

 

[Internet Enzyme]

I couldn't wait any longer since my 2011 is dying to graphics card issues (again, already replaced once). I went with an insane deal on Adorama. It was a new 2015 27", 512GB SSD, 32GB RAM for $1800. It was over $3000 retail. So all of the depreciation is already lost. Figured I hang on to it for a year or two, and then upgrade again when the next gen comes out.

How the hell did you get that deal for me I just got the education discount which is practically eliminated by apple care+ (which i will probably be return)
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I'm beginning to think there may not be an iMac "upgrade" until sometime next year.
I hope to be proven wrong.

I’m starting to think the opposite, due to that recent rumor. My guess is an October event where they announce iMacs with Coffee Lake CPUs and use gddr5 memory for the GPUs, with an ‘X’ at the end of the name. These iMacs will have Bluetooth 5.0, a TrueTone display, and the T2 chip. I’m guessing this has a 65% chance of happening.

 

[ayyy_lmao]

After the MacBook Pro update, I can guess more confidently what we will see;

*MacBook Pro got True Tone display now, probably this will the same for iMac lineup. I don't expect resolution increase because that might hurt the iMac Pro.
*We'll probably see the T2 chip inside the iMac also with "hey Siri" support.
*I would like to see Face ID capable webcam on iMac but it won't happen probably.
*For the gpu side, if Apple updates this fall, there is no chance for a gpu performance increase. There will be probably radeon pro 580X like they did in MacBook Pro. They can't put a Vega gpu because this would again kill iMac pro sales and they need to change the cooling system inside the iMac because of higher tdp of Vega gpu.
*On the cpu side, we saw the i9 option for macbook pros. So, it is highly probable that we'll see i9 option for the iMacs. However such cpu is not there yet. They say it will be ready Q3-2018.

My guess is, we will see an i9-9900k iMac with radeon pro 580X and True Tone display at max this fall.

Btw, I got a HUUUGEEE bargain and ordered an iMac 5k 2017 with Radeon Pro 580 yesterday.

[*]iMac - Kuo says to expect a significant display performance upgrade, but he does not go into detail about what this will entail and we haven't heard additional iMac rumors at this time. He says the iMac, like other Macs, will get a processor refresh.


Kuo said they should be due this fall soooo I'm hoping (and praying to the apple gods) that they do have a spec upgrade this year as in January I'll be buying a new iMac for uni and I want to max it out in order to somewhat 'future proof' it.

 

[martmeister]

How the hell did you get that deal for me I just got the education discount which is practically eliminated by apple care+ (which i will probably be return)
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I went here and got the deal. It was the last one I got. But there's an even cheaper option, for $1700. Actually better graphics card (2GB vs. 4GB) with less memory (32GB vs. 8GB).

Look at the one for $1699: 27" iMac (3.3GHz/8GB/512GB SSD/M395X)

https://prices.appleinsider.com/27-imac-retina-5k-display

Oh, and sign up for the VIP360 plan. It's $50 for a year and you get 2nd Day Air UPS shipping on all items, as well as 60 day returns and a bunch of other stuff that's useful for computers.

 

[fokmik]

Since they didn't press release the imac too...i guess they keep it for fall mac mini and imac event...imac with screen improvements can be interpreted in two ways....120hz...or less bezels, or the ideal way, 120h and less bezels

 

[Internet Enzyme]

I went here and got the deal. It was the last one I got. But there's an even cheaper option, for $1700. Actually better graphics card (2GB vs. 4GB) with less memory (32GB vs. 8GB).

Look at the one for $1699: 27" iMac (3.3GHz/8GB/512GB SSD/M395X)

https://prices.appleinsider.com/27-imac-retina-5k-display

Oh, and sign up for the VIP360 plan. It's $50 for a year and you get 2nd Day Air UPS shipping on all items, as well as 60 day returns and a bunch of other stuff that's useful for computers.

Oh, wait. You got a 2015 one. Ok. I was like "How the hell did he get half off on a 2017 iMac!?"
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Since they didn't press release the imac too...i guess they keep it for fall mac mini and imac event...imac with screen improvements can be interpreted in two ways....120hz...or less bezels, or the ideal way, 120h and less bezels

TrueTone is a safe bet. 120HZ is really out there. Would be cool

 

[firstapple]

After the MacBook Pro update, I can guess more confidently what we will see;

*MacBook Pro got True Tone display now, probably this will the same for iMac lineup. I don't expect resolution increase because that might hurt the iMac Pro.
*We'll probably see the T2 chip inside the iMac also with "hey Siri" support.
*I would like to see Face ID capable webcam on iMac but it won't happen probably.
*For the gpu side, if Apple updates this fall, there is no chance for a gpu performance increase. There will be probably radeon pro 580X like they did in MacBook Pro. They can't put a Vega gpu because this would again kill iMac pro sales and they need to change the cooling system inside the iMac because of higher tdp of Vega gpu.
*On the cpu side, we saw the i9 option for macbook pros. So, it is highly probable that we'll see i9 option for the iMacs. However such cpu is not there yet. They say it will be ready Q3-2018.

My guess is, we will see an i9-9900k iMac with radeon pro 580X and True Tone display at max this fall.

Btw, I got a HUUUGEEE bargain and ordered an iMac 5k 2017 with Radeon Pro 580 yesterday.

What was the huge discount? And where?

 

[fathergll]

What was the huge discount? And where?

Im curious as well. The only discount I'm aware of is adorama 27" (4.2GHz 8GB 1TB SSD Radeon 580) $2,879.00

But thats not that big of a discount.

Either way i'm past the point of 2017 iMac and will at the very least wait for a next gen. If I was going to get one it was going to be last Nov when they had some big sales.

 

[Freida]

Sorry, what thermal issues? Despite the many posts on this and other forums about people’s concerns about iMacs running hot, I’m not aware of any actual issues with longevity amongst the millions (presumably) of iMacs that Apple has shipped. iMacs are certified to run under full load in ambient temperatures far higher than any of us would want to actually sit and use a computer in. And Apple has arguably the best hardware engineers on the planet.

I never enjoy reading these comments as I feel the poster is blindsided.
No, Apple doesn't have the best hardware engineers on the planet.
Regardless, the thermal issues he probably meant is that the iMac with i7 gets super loud even for basic operations and that is caused by the temperature. Having fans running full blast for basic task could (and should) be considered as thermal issue.
This is also the reason why I hope that they will implement iMac Pro cooling system in their imacs to eliminate this as who wants to have a wind turbine sitting on a table almost 24/7