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No more nvidia chips in Apple's computer line

goMac said:
What about OS X? It looks like this should work with any existing DX12 class hardware. No hardware changes required.

OS X already has a very similar capability, but developers doesn't typically use it. I believe Civ V was supposed to support Apple's multi GPU render on OS X.
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I believe you mean Grand Central's use of OpenCL for discovering any compute devices installed in a computer, but correct me if there was something I missed. I can't see how OS X's oldish version of OpenGL or even OpenCL could be used effectively for multi vendor GPU gaming.

https://developer.apple.com/library...rogGuide/UsingGCDwOpenCL/UsingGCDwOpenCL.html
 
lowendlinux said:
What's different other than OSX
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For me, I'd say the overall design, materials, and build quality. Especially for the portables, but to a lesser extent the desktops too. I could take the time to elaborate if you are genuinely interested. But if you are only asking in the form of a challenge, I have zero interest in starting yet another PC/Mac argument. Life is too short and regardless of whatever I prefer, I'm also glad we have choices so that people can choose according to their needs or preferences.
 
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SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
I believe you mean Grand Central's use of OpenCL for discovering any compute devices installed in a computer, but correct me if there was something I missed. I can't see how OS X's oldish version of OpenGL or even OpenCL could be used effectively for multi vendor GPU gaming.

https://developer.apple.com/library...rogGuide/UsingGCDwOpenCL/UsingGCDwOpenCL.html
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No. I mean OpenGL.

Apple did a WWDC session on multi GPU OpenGL a few years back. They demoed with rendering in an app over both an Nvidia and AMD GPU for the same scene.

http://adcdownload.apple.com/videos/wwdc_2010__hd/session_422__taking_advantage_of_multiple_gpus.mov

They note in the video they're the first ones to be able to render over multiple GPUs from different vendors at once. Which is what DX12 adds.
 
ActionableMango said:
For me, I'd say the overall design, materials, and build quality. Especially for the portables, but to a lesser extent the desktops too. I could take the time to elaborate if you are genuinely interested. But if you are only asking in the form of a challenge, I have zero interest in starting yet another PC/Mac argument. Life is too short and regardless of whatever I prefer, I'm also glad we have choices so that people can choose according to their needs or preferences.
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It was rhetorical
 
goMac said:
I wrote more above, with a video.
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The page from 2010 no longer exists, but they probably dumped all that when they gave up the cMP otherwise there would be people on this forum using it. Probably the remnants of it are in the pseudo crossfire in the nMP and it will never go further than that.
 
lowendlinux said:
I dunno if he believes others should listen, he's as convinced of his rightness as much as the other side is of theirs. IMHO he's fighting fire with fire which as we all know always works out :confused:

I really wish the religious on both sides just at times kept stuff to themselves, I've fought enough wars at this point whether they be Mac v PC or otherwise to be kinda tired. MVC is right, FF is right, SC is right, LCD is right but they all talk past each other.
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Another lie.

There's been many complaints about apple's approach to the Mac Pro. Whether or not you accept the complaints as reality is your own problem, but that doesn't change the FACT that Apple *has* screwed it's prosumers.
 
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bladerunner2000 said:
Another lie.

There's been many complaints about apple's approach to the Mac Pro. Whether or not you accept the complaints as reality is your own problem, but that doesn't change the FACT that Apple *has* screwed it's prosumers.
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There are complaints about my pancakes too does that change the fact that they're good? Apple has created a computer that it thinks people will like that is the only fact in the whole conversation, the rest is just opinion.
 
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I've made it clear from the start I don't think Apple is interested in the Mac Pro. Maybe not even OS X. The effort they put into both of them these days pales compared to what iOS and its devices are getting. That's why for now I stick to the belief that they are going to discontinue the Mac Pro line, OSX will only be available on high end iMac and MBP, and everything else will move to iOS. They might even go the Microsoft route and make a dual mode OS so when you click a button OSX's desktop slides out of the way, Launchpad slides into view and you are presented with iOS. A company that wants to build phones and cars is put going to care about a few workstations.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
I've made it clear from the start I don't think Apple is interested in the Mac Pro. Maybe not even OS X. The effort they put into both of them these days pales compared to what iOS and its devices are getting. That's why for now I stick to the belief that they are going to discontinue the Mac Pro line, OSX will only be available on high end iMac and MBP, and everything else will move to iOS. They might even go the Microsoft route and make a dual mode OS so when you click a button OSX's desktop slides out of the way, Launchpad slides into view and you are presented with iOS. A company that wants to build phones and cars is put going to care about a few workstations.
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i don't know. i'd like to think (and do think) apple is fully committed to macintosh and os x... at the very least until there is near complete redundancy in function from the device category.. there are a lot of things you can do on an ipad or even iPhone now that no longer require a computer (laptop/desktop).. but there are still a lot of things you can't do.

also, if we see more of this happening:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ees-ultimately-switching-from-lenovo.1904731/

..then we'll know os x will be around for quite some time still.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
I've made it clear from the start I don't think Apple is interested in the Mac Pro. Maybe not even OS X. The effort they put into both of them these days pales compared to what iOS and its devices are getting. That's why for now I stick to the belief that they are going to discontinue the Mac Pro line, OSX will only be available on high end iMac and MBP, and everything else will move to iOS.
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I used to think the same, but then they released the 6,1 and if they were really not interested in the MacPro and content to let it wither away, why on Earth would they bother to do such a thorough redesign? Easier to just slap in a few new components in the existing tower once every three years and be done with it.

I think the biggest issue with the nMP is that Apple dropped legacy support a little too early, but that has always been their MO (or at least since the return of SJ and the original iMac).
I believe that the rest of the industry will do away with internal expansion over the next five or ten years.
 
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zephonic said:
I used to think the same, but then they released the 6,1 and if they were really not interested in the MacPro and content to let it wither away, why on Earth would they bother to do such a thorough redesign? Easier to just slap in a few new components in the existing tower once every three years and be done with it.

I think the biggest issue with the nMP is that Apple dropped legacy support a little too early, but that has always been their MO (or at least since the return of SJ and the original iMac).
I believe that the rest of the industry will do away with internal expansion over the next five or ten years.
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Part of the reason is that it's so easy for even a novice to build a PC now and the parts look really cool. They have learned a lot of tricks from the pimp my ride and skateboard modding industry. YouTube aficionado channels just helped it even further. I often think about selling my cMP and just building my own workstation and then just keep a simple MacBook and iPad for Apple stuff.
 
flat five said:
i don't know. i'd like to think (and do think) apple is fully committed to macintosh and os x... at the very least until there is near complete redundancy in function from the device category.. there are a lot of things you can do on an ipad or even iPhone now that no longer require a computer (laptop/desktop).. but there are still a lot of things you can't do.

also, if we see more of this happening:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ees-ultimately-switching-from-lenovo.1904731/

..then we'll know os x will be around for quite some time still.
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We will also see more voice and pen input. High res screens and sensors finally make pen input for text and note taking practical and natural. Voice recognition via Siri and Cortana finally feels more natural too. In a decade from now the keyboard will probably just be some projection that will be used only for certain applications that suit it.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
We will also see more voice and pen input. High res screens and sensors finally make pen input for text and note taking practical and natural. Voice recognition via Siri and Cortana finally feels more natural too. In a decade from now the keyboard will probably just be some projection that will be used only for certain applications that suit it.
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i'm hoping something sweet comes out of this:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...sture-control-on-touchscreen-devices.1625241/

i'm sure we'll get there eventually (3D modeling in 3D space.. as opposed to 3D modeling in 2D space) but i'm hoping it comes sooner rather than later.

...............
i wonder how much of a heads up apple would give if/when osx end is near..
1 year? 5 years?
i mean, they have to give a pretty decent amount of warning on something like that. right?
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
The page from 2010 no longer exists, but they probably dumped all that when they gave up the cMP otherwise there would be people on this forum using it. Probably the remnants of it are in the pseudo crossfire in the nMP and it will never go further than that.
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I just pulled it up and watched it fine.

(It still all fully works on the nMP. And the dual GPU Macbook Pro.)

I think Apple was actually betting the nMP on this API. They were hoping devs would write apps that use this API to run over multiple cards. Apple never shipped a cMP with dual cards at that point in time. The whole session to me is that a giant hint that Apple see's the Mac Pros future in dual card machines.

But no one seems to be using the API.
 
Fl0r!an said:
Instead we now can order a M380, which pretty sure is a re-rebadged HD 7770, isn't that great?! :D
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The problem with AMD graphics cards is that they generate a lot of heat, which is very problematic in the case of a laptop. If you're going to use an AMD graphics card with a MacBook, it should be in a a Thunderbolt-PCIe enclosure so if it overheats, you only have to replace the graphics card, not the whole logic board.
 
jblagden said:
The problem with AMD graphics cards is that they generate a lot of heat, which is very problematic in the case of a laptop. If you're going to use an AMD graphics card with a MacBook, it should be in a a Thunderbolt-PCIe enclosure so if it overheats, you only have to replace the graphics card, not the whole logic board.
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A big issue will happen next year that will manifest in a lot of frustration on these forums.

Oculus Rift.

When Mac users see PC users doing that stuff it will infuriate them. You can't run Oculus on any currently shipping Mac. It requires at least a GeForce GTX 970 level card and the use of three USB 3.0 ports (two for Oculus, and one for your gamepad). If you try to drive them with mobile GPUs the heat will surely be dangerous to the computer. The slow implementation of OpenGL on the Mac won't cut the mustard ether.
 
SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
I've made it clear from the start I don't think Apple is interested in the Mac Pro. Maybe not even OS X. The effort they put into both of them these days pales compared to what iOS and its devices are getting. That's why for now I stick to the belief that they are going to discontinue the Mac Pro line, OSX will only be available on high end iMac and MBP, and everything else will move to iOS. They might even go the Microsoft route and make a dual mode OS so when you click a button OSX's desktop slides out of the way, Launchpad slides into view and you are presented with iOS. A company that wants to build phones and cars is put going to care about a few workstations.
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I don't think Apple would redesign the 2013 Mac Pro and update FCP X/Compressor/Motion just to kill it off anytime soon. Would make more sense to keep the classic Mac Pro design with an update if they were planning to discontinue it.

SoyCapitanSoyCapitan said:
A big issue will happen next year that will manifest in a lot of frustration on these forums.

Oculus Rift.

When Mac users see PC users doing that stuff it will infuriate them. You can't run Oculus on any currently shipping Mac. It requires at least a GeForce GTX 970 level card and the use of three USB 3.0 ports (two for Oculus, and one for your gamepad). If you try to drive them with mobile GPUs the heat will surely be dangerous to the computer. The slow implementation of OpenGL on the Mac won't cut the mustard ether.
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The biggest gaming for Apple will be on iOS. its the biggest gaming platform between 2-17 year olds. Apples Gaming Center has more members then XBox live. With the new AppleTV will only strengthen it and also make it the newest gaming console.
 
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