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Max(IT)

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Do you know that? We can prioritize our reported bugs. Maybe Apple prioritizing that too. But we dont know the truth and this is not make any sense. Bugs is bugs!
We all paying to Apple for make our life's easier, not harder! If Apple didnt have enought engineer for bug fixes. i dont care! Apple should take a more engineer for it. We just want perfect OS and we payed for it. We are just a customer. Maybe Apple filling the money box with this way. Maybe its a cheaper way. Every blinkered Apple defender saying this: Not enought engineer for bug fixes at World's most biggest tech company. In fact, even the crows laughs this. If Apple has a enought engineer. So why im discovering bugs! is it make me engineer? Hell no! Something wrong in Apple. Maybe todays problem solver method is not enought for today. i dont want a discover bugs anymore. i dont want to use my iPhone 3 hours(horrible battery life in beta builds) And i dont want a spend my time for bug reports. its not my job. But Apple didnt see bugs. And Apple forcing us to use Beta builds. Because Apple didnt see bugs in latest final builds. We have to use beta builds for fixes, for feedback app, for system logs for hopes or something. And it makes me angry. Something has to change.
Wow your post is so full of nonsense I don't know where to start...
Apple has all the engineers they want/need. They don't force us to use betas, quite on the contrary.
They constantly see bugs and fix them. A perfect OS just doesn't exist.
 
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macfacts

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Throughout all these years, I've tried to avoid the realization that Apple's OS's are filled with bugs. It's getting frustrating. For someone like me, who has OCD, these bugs are getting worse and worse. They are the little things that bug me, and it seems like I'm the only one who notices these or goes through these predicaments.

I'm just admitting the truth and it's too bad I can't switch, as I'm too far into the whole ecosystem.
Invested too much time and money into this, just so it could 'just work'.

Can you elaborate on how you are too invested in the Apple ecosystem?
 

d5aqoëp

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Fortunately, none of these bugs affect me in any way. But when iOS stutters, it maxes my OCD meter and I feel like abusing someone!
 
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Wow your post is so full of nonsense I don't know where to start...
Apple has all the engineers they want/need. They don't force us to use betas, quite on the contrary.
They constantly see bugs and fix them. A perfect OS just doesn't exist.

"we're perfectionists."
This quote coming from Apple's website.

So we are perfectionists too. Just like Apple.
 

Armen

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Throughout all these years, I've tried to avoid the realization that Apple's OS's are filled with bugs. It's getting frustrating. For someone like me, who has OCD, these bugs are getting worse and worse. They are the little things that bug me, and it seems like I'm the only one who notices these or goes through these predicaments.

I'm just admitting the truth and it's too bad I can't switch, as I'm too far into the whole ecosystem.
Invested too much time and money into this, just so it could 'just work'.

You are sadly mistaken if you think perfect software lies elsewhere.

Human beings are not perfect therefore their creations will never be perfect.
 
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venividivigor

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Here is the video: https://vid.me/Rua1

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randomgeeza

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Let me try to think... and keep in mind, they can be the be the littlest things:
- Search bar disappears when going from landscape to portrait in Messages app
- Duplicate 'Recent Locations' for Contacts in Calendar when adding a location to an event
- Syncs can be broken easily in the Photos app, the app creates phantom photos when deleting recently taken photos before they get the chance to upload to iCloud Photo Library
- On my iPad -> Camera app, the previously taken photo is not the last photo taken. They are out of order.
- In the Videos app, the "Marked as Watched" badges is dodgy and doesn't always display the correct number.
- Sometimes Movie/TV Show artworks don't download for recently purchased items and it forces me to log in and out of iTunes, just to make it download.
- iTunes Store/App Store banners get broken all the time on the iPad, it's hard to explain, but they don't cycle as they would normally do.
- Trying to add a card to Wallet is so tedious. You get the error "This Card cannot be added." And you would have to try repeatedly to let it be added, not only is that annoying, but there's also a chance you'll encounter this on your Apple Watch app and iPad.
- I deleted data from the Health app, because the Qardio app started logging in duplicate information in the Health app. After clearing all data and letting Qardio write data back in to Health app, it now shows "No data" when going into "Show all data" in the dashboard, but the graph still shows the data.
- Settings app on the iPad is bad, all the menus are pulled down when you come back in to it.
- When you add a photo to a contact, but you want to readjust it, the fix will revert to the last photo you first changed it too, which is a hassle once you've finally perfected and centered it out.
- Not really a bug, but Apple keeps changing metadata for Apple Music, which REALLY disrupts my very strong organization of my library
- On the iPhone, when you go to your history in Safari, the search bar is half way showing, and my OCD is driving me crazy on that.
- Mail notifications are no longer synced. What happened to synced notifications? Back then, if I would open a message on my iPhone, the badges on my iPad would disappear.
- In Music app, it's so annoying every time you open it and you get "An error occurred."
- On the Apple TV 4, [as of right now] one of the radio stations (Country station) is blank.
- Search suggestions in Music app keep disappearing or showing.
- Back then you can set a Sort Order for playlists in your music library, but that no longer works, and you have to manually put it alphabetically your self.
- I'm swiping through pages in folders and all of a sudden the pages would skip or jump to the previous one for no reason.
- Sometimes the taptic engine would stop working for my iPhone and I have to restart it.
- This happened to me a couple times: the battery percentage stopped going down, and when it was happening, I assumed the battery life was hella amazing that day, until it inconveniently died on me when I most needed it.
- Sometimes theres no news in Proactive
- Opening apps on the Apple Watch is sometimes a nuisance. The app is stuck on endless cycle of it trying to open and then having it crashed.
- I'm swiping thru my glances on my Watch or widgets in Notification Center, and they end up opening the app even tho I'm swiping, not tapping.
- Whenever I just use my iPhone in the house and stuff, it's so fluid and fast, but when I'm out in public somewhere, for some reason PERFORMANCE begins to slow down, so inconveniently. It takes forever for the phone to unlock, then the animations slow down. Then trying to enter an app is time consuming, you tap the icon and it turns black, and pauses. It freezes. Like it's unresponsive and then it finally opens.
- There's a lot of things that get inconsistent between the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, Apple TV and MacBook, which drives me insane. The feeling of things being fragmented, bothers me. (Sorry I have really bad OCD)
- All stock apps are terrible.... You could say that

For OS X:
- Every time you open the settings tab in Messages, the settings tab will keep dropping lower and lower and lower every time you open it.
- Every time you open the settings tab in FaceTime, it will appear on the bottom, underneath the dock.
- Why don't push notifications go to Mail app when it's closed???
- Game Center keeps opening in the bottom of the screen, even when I force it to be placed in the center.
- Third-party apps got corrupted after I enabled FileVault, forcing me to reinstall ALL of them and redoing the settings for each individual apps
- Not only that, but I was forced to restore my entire Mac because enabling FileVault corrupted it. Made me stuck on "Encryption paused."
- When changing pictures for your profile, it'll create a duplicate pixelated version of itself in the "Recents" tab when selecting a photo.
- When you enter Time Machine, and exit out of it, it readjusts your Finder window, which is annoying when you have it sized out and in order (because you use grids, etc.)
- 1Password ended up being corrupted for me and I was forced to reinstall it and redo my settings [although that could be the app developers problem, but still, very inconvenient.)
- Now that I have FileVault turned on, when entering a password in the beginning, the caps lock is broken, it inverts on its own, making it unreliable. I have to use the shift-key for that.
- AirDrop is crap

I can keep going on and on, but I don't want to go on all my devices and have to find the bugs I've encountered.
And no, I don't go digging for bugs, they are things I've encountered when using it.
[doublepost=1457850698][/doublepost]And also I don't want to rely my services on developers who may potentially screw you over in the long run, for example: discontinuing the app or service. I'm thinking about long term, but yet I don't really like to rely on huge companies either, because they take FOREVER to update their apps, or because they think their big shots that they can do whatever they want and not add in iOS's new api's because they know you won't find an alternative. IE. YouTube and Facebook. That's why I don't like jailbreaking or hacks, I prefer stock, cuz with Apple, things don't really just come and go. But they have hella bugs with their system and apps. And I choose to not have different devices with different OS's because that is annoying, they just won't work. They don't communicate with each other very well.
[doublepost=1457900693][/doublepost]I've got you on this one:

"On the iPhone, when you go to your history in Safari, the search bar is half way showing, and my OCD is driving me crazy on that."

Same, same. Likewise with recents in Maps... Same situation.

I also concur with your OS X list... Aside from 1Password, which I don't use.

I've repeatedly reported the settings issue for Messages and FaceTime to Apple, but it still persists.
 
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venividivigor

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Can you elaborate on how you are too invested in the Apple ecosystem?

My iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, MacBook Pro, and Apple TV are all unified. Every single setting is the same, the apps are all placed exactly the same. And they are all tied together by iCloud. I pay for iCloud storage and Apple Music, and I have spent too much time on organizing my iCloud Music Library, iCloud Photo Library, iCloud Drive files and apps that are stored iCloud storage. I use a HealthKit enabled blood pressure monitor for the iPhone and I have almost a year of data by now. I have HomeKit enabled devices in my condo as well. I own an iPad pro, smart keyboard and Apple Pencil, so I have many accessories for Apple devices. And many purchased content for iTunes and apps. I'm too deep in the ecosystem
 

Max(IT)

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if its a small issue, logic goes us to this; it can be fix faster than big issues and it didnt take a too much time.
Software doesn't work that way. Everything is related, and sometimes to correct minor glitches it takes big efforts and the risk of create even bigger issues.
I'm sure Apple has a long list of bugs reported, and they have a priority list...
"we're perfectionists."
This quote coming from Apple's website.

So we are perfectionists too. Just like Apple.
Being perfectionist is different from being perfect...
 
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C DM

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Seems like various people have these great theoretical views of the software development lifecycle (many of whom likely don't even have much of an understand of what it even really is). Kind of like some people having utopian ideas about world peace and how simple it would be if we would all just care about each other and get along. It's all certainly that simplistic, practical, and realistic as just that.
 
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DoctorKrabs

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It's not your OCD getting worse because if that was the case, I'd be able to go use one of my iOS 6 devices and see more bugs than I used to, which is an OS that has been around for 3 years more.

3 years of time and I couldn't find as many bugs in iOS 6 as I did in the first month of iOS 9.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVQFi5tAhOgeBCheLWnovZExMXFRhQnu-

Then people will look at these and say "Oh, you're using it wrong" LOL. Damage control.
 
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DoctorKrabs

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Yeah, they would be wrong since you're not really using the phone at all.
And you're not "driving" a car while you're crashing it. But cars are crash-tested, and made as strong and robust as possible so less people deal with catastrophic failure.
 

adamhenry

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And you're not "driving" a car while you're crashing it. But cars are crash-tested, and made as strong and robust as possible so less people deal with catastrophic failure.

So comparing the operation of the phone in those videos to the actual use of a phone is like comparing an out of control car crash to actual driving? OK. That seems fairly correct although the car crash is being shorted a little.
 

venividivigor

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Okay, but guys, can we all agree on that iOS and OS X have been more than buggy than previous iterations of it. Not only that, but we also should all agree that their iCloud service, or any other online service (iCloud photo library, Apple Music, Maps, etc) are unreliable.
 

I7guy

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Okay, but guys, can we all agree on that iOS and OS X have been more than buggy than previous iterations of it. Not only that, but we also should all agree that their iCloud service, or any other online service (iCloud photo library, Apple Music, Maps, etc) are unreliable.
Not at all. I can't vouch for Apple Music, but I use Apple maps exclusively to find POIs when I'm on vacation and to navigate to those POIs. I can't even agree that current iOS versions are more or less buggy than previous versions. I'll take visual glitches any day over resprings in iOS 8.
 
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Okay, but guys, can we all agree on that iOS and OS X have been more than buggy than previous iterations of it. Not only that, but we also should all agree that their iCloud service, or any other online service (iCloud photo library, Apple Music, Maps, etc) are unreliable.
Has it been objectively shown to be the case as far as things being considerably more buggy?
 
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trifid

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Okay, but guys, can we all agree on that iOS and OS X have been more than buggy than previous iterations of it. Not only that, but we also should all agree that their iCloud service, or any other online service (iCloud photo library, Apple Music, Maps, etc) are unreliable.

Agreed, and Apple Music was criticized as confusing and buggy worldwide including by well respected tech sites such as The Verge and the Wallstreet Journal.

Apple, the music master, the iPod creator, with 10+ years of music experience, failing at basic UI, and having its flagship music app criticized universally is quite indicative of the degrading software quality current state at Apple.
 
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