Not gonna lie... iOS has so many bugs, it's driving me crazy

[DoctorKrabs]

Sounds like as far as priorities go, for whatever reason, it's not of higher priority than all the other things that Apple has been working on. It's not so much about the money or anything like that, but more about what the focus is on as far as priorities and alignment of resources and timing of releases.

As far as more bugs and all that, is there a good comparison that shows that there are significantly more bugs now than before, especially when factoring in the additional complexity, size, and features/functionalities that have been added to iOS over the years?

That's definitely true, but 6 months is very easily enough time to fix some of the small but obvious problems like that one. If complexity is a problem and iOS development is going out of control or the OS growing larger than it can be fixed, maybe development time should be growing in proportion to that. And no, I didn't say developer count. I said time for anyone who was saying Apple can't afford it.

 

[C DM]

That's definitely true, but 6 months is very easily enough time to fix some of the small but obvious problems like that one. If complexity is a problem and iOS development is going out of control or the OS growing larger than it can be fixed, maybe development time should be growing in proportion to that. And no, I didn't say developer count. I said time for anyone who was saying Apple can't afford it.

It's definitely enough time and could definitely be done, it's basically down to a matter of it being prioritized as something to be done and allocated resources and scheduled in the releases, which often doesn't happen for many smaller issues when other things like new features, design or other changes, backend work, and various other things often end up taking over most of the releases in one way or another while the smaller issues remain on the backlog. That's basically the reality of the software development lifecycle of many products and has been like that for quite a long time. It can always certainly be better, but that often falls into more of an exception than the rule type of category.

 

[Armen]

It's definitely enough time and could definitely be done, it's basically down to a matter of it being prioritized as something to be done and allocated resources and scheduled in the releases, which often doesn't happen for many smaller issues when other things like new features, design or other changes, backend work, and various other things often end up taking over most of the releases in one way or another while the smaller issues remain on the backlog. That's basically the reality of the software development lifecycle of many products and has been like that for quite a long time. It can always certainly be better, but that often falls into more of an exception than the rule type of category.

Also don't forget that not everyone is so critical of iOS. Some people just use their devices and don't put too much thought into some of the issues that bother some people here.

 

[macfacts]

Also don't forget that not everyone is so critical of iOS. Some people just use their devices and don't put too much thought into some of the issues that bother some people here.

This is what I think to myself every time I read an iPhone review that gets a 10/10.

 

[venividivigor]

Also don't forget that not everyone is so critical of iOS. Some people just use their devices and don't put too much thought into some of the issues that bother some people here.

Wow, this is the best way of putting it. That's what I was thinking, I just didn't know how to put it into words. But yeah, I'm not the casual user here.

 

[Michael Goff]

Wow your post is so full of nonsense I don't know where to start...
Apple has all the engineers they want/need. They don't force us to use betas, quite on the contrary.
They constantly see bugs and fix them. A perfect OS just doesn't exist.

So they put 600+ job openings on the site under the "software engineer" section of their site for laughs?

 

[Armen]

Wow, this is the best way of putting it. That's what I was thinking, I just didn't know how to put it into words. But yeah, I'm not the casual user here.

It's no secret that most people who come here put iOS under a microscope but some less than others. I can tolerate some bugs but nothing critical like phone restarts or the inability to use core features like making a call, sending a text. Do I care that the music app has icons that are not spaced properly? not really.

 

[Max(IT)]

So they put 600+ job openings on the site under the "software engineer" section of their site for laughs?

They are constantly expanding... Quite normal for an healthy company

 

[Mildredop]

I don't have an iPhone, but a bug on OS X that's driving me a little crazy is that Spotlight doesn't register the first key press.

If I hit cmd+space and type "swanky" I'll look up to see "wanky".

Very annoying.

 

[lagwagon]

They are constantly expanding... Quite normal for an healthy company

Plus iOS isn't the only thing they develope in software. They have OS X, watchOS, tvOS, even some apps that are stock in iOS have their own teams seperate from the iOS team. I would assume same for OS X, plus apps not stock that they offer. (Pages, keynote, Numbers, iMovie, GarageBand, Final Cut Pro X, and so on. I'm sure even Siri has it's own team.

So 600 openings actually isn't a whole lot considering everything they develop currently that we know of and new projects no one knows of yet.

 

[ShadovvMoon]

For god's sake how do you expect to destroy a tower with a kitchen knife? I know that posting feedback may help sometimes. However, as it has been proven multiple times, Apple clearly ignored those claims of bugs. Until there will be a massive sort of "revolt", then they won't budge an inch. Providing feedback is downright pointless in this case.

I regularly submit bugs to the  Bug Reporter and usually get a prompt response (plus the bugs are usually fixed by the next release). If you have a legitimate complaint, bug or feature request, submit a bug report instead of posting feedback on various forums and then claiming Apple is ignoring you.

 

[pika2000]

I am too getting a bit frustrated in the quality of Apple's recent software releases. For other companies, it seems normal and expected (eg. Microsoft). However, since Apple GM releases were pretty robust in the past, bugs in the newer releases can feel more prominent simply due to the higher expectation.

The thing is, it is less forgiveable for Apple. Unlike Microsoft where they have to deal with millions of hardware configurations, Apple's main advantage was the limited set of hardware that Apple make themselves. Thus it is annoying to see bugs, especially on iOS where the hardware set is even more limited and under full control of Apple. Furthermore, the iDevices are closer to "appliance" than a "computer" in terms of most people's perspective, so I think it is imperative for Apple to really shape up. I mean it is bad when even the lay consumer refuse to upgrade their OS because they are afraid of bugs, even though they might not know what those mean.

I think Apple might have been spreading itself too thin (or maybe Tim Cook and the team are less anal in terms of QC). In any case, it is felt. iOS 9 and Yosemite were the two huge annoyances for me. iOS9 was the first iOS where I have to reboot once in a while due to the animation bug. Yosemite is so crappy that even the mail app crashes constantly. El Capitan, with the latest update, seems to be fine. For iOS, I hope Apple put more attention to iOS 10. If Apple wants professionals to fully embrace iDevices (eg. iPad Pro), then the OS has to be rock solid.

 

[flori13]

Let me try to think... and keep in mind, they can be the be the littlest things: ...

Hey, thread starter, how do you feel about this annoying inconsistency? - http://i.imgur.com/poA4QeQ.jpg

 

[I7guy]

I am too getting a bit frustrated in the quality of Apple's recent software releases. For other companies, it seems normal and expected (eg. Microsoft). However, since Apple GM releases were pretty robust in the past, bugs in the newer releases can feel more prominent simply due to the higher expectation.

The thing is, it is less forgiveable for Apple. Unlike Microsoft where they have to deal with millions of hardware configurations, Apple's main advantage was the limited set of hardware that Apple make themselves. Thus it is annoying to see bugs, especially on iOS where the hardware set is even more limited and under full control of Apple. Furthermore, the iDevices are closer to "appliance" than a "computer" in terms of most people's perspective, so I think it is imperative for Apple to really shape up. I mean it is bad when even the lay consumer refuse to upgrade their OS because they are afraid of bugs, even though they might not know what those mean.

I think Apple might have been spreading itself too thin (or maybe Tim Cook and the team are less anal in terms of QC). In any case, it is felt. iOS 9 and Yosemite were the two huge annoyances for me. iOS9 was the first iOS where I have to reboot once in a while due to the animation bug. Yosemite is so crappy that even the mail app crashes constantly. El Capitan, with the latest update, seems to be fine. For iOS, I hope Apple put more attention to iOS 10. If Apple wants professionals to fully embrace iDevices (eg. iPad Pro), then the OS has to be rock solid.

Ios 8 rebooted automatically, not their finest iOS but it was ok.

Fortune 500 companies are a solid customer of Apple, seems like professionals embracing iOS to me.

 

[Gryfter]

The only bug that really bugs me is the copy paste for Safari.

There are times where after copying whatever it is I need to paste in another tab, the pasted is from a previous. Resetting/clearing Safari cache doesnt work.

 

[Max(IT)]

The only bug that really bugs me is the copy paste for Safari.

There are times where after copying whatever it is I need to paste in another tab, the pasted is from a previous. Resetting/clearing Safari cache doesnt work.

Copy and paste selection is what I really hate about iOS, but it usually works fine for me after that...

 

[Gryfter]

Copy and paste selection is what I really hate about iOS, but it usually works fine for me after that...

Drives me nuts. Now I just type in what I need copy/pasted.

 

[trifid]

Hey, thread starter, how do you feel about this annoying inconsistency? - http://i.imgur.com/poA4QeQ.jpg

Yea I've noticed that, horrible UI design, and not just the layout.

 

[dk001]

So they put 600+ job openings on the site under the "software engineer" section of their site for laughs?

Expanding product base.
Greater global penetration.
More complexity in both hardware and software.
High stress work environment leading to high turnover.
Silo'd project development departments.
In a company the size of Apple, that 600 is likely conservative.
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It's no secret that most people who come here put iOS under a microscope but some less than others. I can tolerate some bugs but nothing critical like phone restarts or the inability to use core features like making a call, sending a text. Do I care that the music app has icons that are not spaced properly? not really.

True. However not all "bugs" are at that "cosmetic" level.
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I regularly submit bugs to the  Bug Reporter and usually get a prompt response (plus the bugs are usually fixed by the next release). If you have a legitimate complaint, bug or feature request, submit a bug report instead of posting feedback on various forums and then claiming Apple is ignoring you.

Can we enlist you to submit all our "bugs"? Sounds like you have far greater success than many / most of us.

 

[Michael Goff]

They are constantly expanding... Quite normal for an healthy company

But you said they have all the engineers they need on iOS. 387 job openings at Apple under the categories of Software Engineer in the iOS business line.

Expanding product base.
Greater global penetration.
More complexity in both hardware and software.
High stress work environment leading to high turnover.
Silo'd project development departments.
In a company the size of Apple, that 600 is likely conservative.
[doublepost=1458054659][/doublepost]

True. However not all "bugs" are at that "cosmetic" level.
[doublepost=1458054766][/doublepost]

Can we enlist you to submit all our "bugs"? Sounds like you have far greater success than many / most of us.

I was mainly arguing against the post that said that Apple has everyone it needs.

 

[Max(IT)]

But you said they have all the engineers they need on iOS. 387 job openings at Apple under the categories of Software Engineer in the iOS business line.



I was mainly arguing against the post that said that Apple has everyone it needs.

Do you realize that 387 software engineers aren't that much for a company like Apple ?
Maybe they are supposed to develop something new we don't know about yet (automotive? Virtual reality? Who knows ?).
My point was just that a company like Apple has practically unlimited resources and they hire all the employees they need.

 

[Michael Goff]

Do you realize that 387 software engineers aren't that much for a company like Apple ?
Maybe they are supposed to develop something new we don't know about yet (automotive? Virtual reality? Who knows ?).
My point was just that a company like Apple has practically unlimited resources and they hire all the employees they need.

https://jobs.apple.com/us/search#businessline&t=1&sb=posting_title&so=0&b=IOS&j=SFWEG&lo=0*USA&pN=0

We know what they're for because the site tells us. :|

 

[Max(IT)]

https://jobs.apple.com/us/search#businessline&t=1&sb=posting_title&so=0&b=IOS&j=SFWEG&lo=0*USA&pN=0

We know what they're for because the site tells us. :|

That list doesn't tell us THE PROJECT they are going to be employed in (well in some cases it's quite clear...), but just the area of interest.
The point still remain the same: Apple has all the employees they need, and every time they expand they hire more (thus the jobs opening)
I really can't understand your point. Are you saying Apple management can't decide how many people they need ? Do you think they are amateurs?

 

[I7guy]

That list doesn't tell us THE PROJECT they are going to be employed in (well in some cases it's quite clear...), but just the area of interest.
The point still remain the same: Apple has all the employees they need, and every time they expand they hire more (thus the jobs opening)
I really can't understand your point. Are you saying Apple management can't decide how many people they need ? Do you think they are amateurs?

Well there are a lot of armchair executives around here.

 

[Michael Goff]

That list doesn't tell us THE PROJECT they are going to be employed in (well in some cases it's quite clear...), but just the area of interest.
The point still remain the same: Apple has all the employees they need, and every time they expand they hire more (thus the jobs opening)
I really can't understand your point. Are you saying Apple management can't decide how many people they need ? Do you think they are amateurs?

No, I'm saying they want to hire more people and there aren't enough qualified candidates. That's why we have the whole H1B Visa issue. But let's continue to pretend they're hiring for some future expansion and not because they know they need more people.