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Note 4 vs 6 Plus
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Apps are equal?? Just off the top of my head... Take a look at Evernote for Android compared to iOS ...
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How many Android apps are Specifically updated and optimized for a Phablet? Apple developers only really have a couple of screen sizes to work with. Look at the CNN app on both operating systems. A year from now most IOS apps will be optimized for The bigger screen. can you say the same for android?
I'm in the Medical field but branch off into other ventures daily too thus I often edit spreadsheets and pdf's. App quality is spectacular. Again, being able to work on an MS Word Doc and have it look like I'm on a PC is key for me.
Apps overall are equal. I've yet to see something on an iPhone that's better than Android. The market today is keeping up. Even just the other day I installed Cigna Health Care apps on both an Android and iPhone and they are identical.
You can print to any wifi printer, convert the file to a pdf and/or save/share it just like you would on a computer.
With the S-Pen it's easy to redact, highlight and sign any document. Here's a screen shot from a PDF I worked on. Original was scanned and emailed to me and for this demo purpose I showed you redact, highlighting and signing with blue ink. If printed it looks just like the real thing.
Don't know much about battery life on the 6 Plus but the Note 3 lasts me 1-1.5 days with regular to heavy use. Never been an issue for me. It charges fast too. 1-1.5hrs from empty to near full. I find that on what I know to be a very late night, I can pop it on the charger at say 5pm at like 45%, shower and dress and leave by 6pm and it's 90%+ if not full. Crazy charging speed. I hear the Note 4 is faster yet.
I still use Pandora or Music Milk. I still mainly stream from my cloud site or through Google.
I'm not worried about Samsung. They aren't going anywhere. Update wise, this is my first Samsung device, but it's had it's OS updated twice and it's on pretty solid ground that L will be available for my Note 3. My guess is March at the latest. It was very early spring when I got Kit Kat.
I do think Apple will support more the 6 for longer with more current OS updates vs Samsung. Mainly because they can and it's easier. Overall though, I really don't see that as much if any issue. Reality is I won't likely keep my Note 3 as my primary device beyond 2-3yrs and if it's a secondary or device for my son, etc. updates won't be as critical.
I do like that Apple keeps them more current but that's not always the case and who knows what might change. To me the trade offs on longevity are worth it given the capabilities Android and other makes offer and the overall experience of using it the way I intend to use it vs the manufacturer controlling things.
None of the above will look as good or posses the ease of use/editing on an iPhone compared to an Android/Note. Especially the S-pen work.
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How many Android apps are Specifically updated and optimized for a Phablet? Apple developers only really have a couple of screen sizes to work with. Look at the CNN app on both operating systems. A year from now most IOS apps will be optimized for The bigger screen. can you say the same for android?
I have compared the apps. Just pull them up in both stores and look at the screen shots. Better yet, view the short video that's on there too. Android is beautiful and work great. I actually have it on both my iPad and my Note 3. There's also, still no denying any of the other points brought up and you quoted in those older posts.
This all made sense when the iPhone had a 3.5" screen and its total size was still small. It was still okay for the iPhone 5.Not gonna happen--and I don't understand why people cannot comprehend this. As long as Apple uses the TouchID (hint: not going away), it's going to have the chin bezel, plain and simple. At most, maybe they could shave off a mm. And the top bezel will likely always be symmetrical to the bottom--from a design perspective, just looks better. Reducing the top bezel really makes little to no difference--the distance to the top of the display (the reach to the top of the screen) doesn't change and I really don't think shaving a few mm makes much difference--unless your pockets are only 155 mm deep and those 3 mm sticking out drives you nuts.
Personally, I'll keep the TouchID.
But in my opinion the bezels are a big negative for something like the iPhone 6+. I don't care that they made it thinner... means little to me as I didn't think its predecessor was too thick. Or the one before that for that matter. It's like Apple is only concerned about one dimension.
Michael
The day I see you say ANYTHING about an iOS device is better than a Samsung device is the day I'm going to quit these threads.....I won't hold my breath.
I don't think you need to worry adding "IMO" - we all know your opinion before you even say it simply due to the fact that the comment comes under the name "mib1800".
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I'm a bit baffled that people go so bonkers over such a small difference in height, but then completely dismiss the small differences in width and thickness.
I found the 6+ much more comfortable to hold than the Note 4. The top and bottom bezels will ALWAYS be symmetrical - it goes against the Ive design language to do otherwise.
And since TouchID is a MASSIVE feature for Apple, it certainly won't be going away.
I mean we are literally talking millimeters here. Millimeters in height that ultimately have less to do with how one holds/uses the device than thickness and width do.
I also struggled with at first, but now have it mastered.That seemed to help a lot, thanks.
That said, after nearly 2 years with a Note 2 I found myself not really needing it. I had the screen sized about the same as an iPhone 5 and it felt small, at least when typing. I then enlarged it as far as it would go and it feels much better, and is still noticeably easier to use with one hand. Feels like a 4.7" phone.
I do wish the on-screen buttons could be toggled off.
Michael
One only needs to look at an iPhone 6+ to realize "wow, so much wasted space." I am one that thinks that.
You mention a Note 4 as if it has the same size screen as the 6+ when it does not. The note 4 has a 7% larger screen yet the iPhone 6+ is a taller device. That is not acceptable to me at this point. That is not considering the fact that the Note 4 has more 75% more pixels than the 6+.
Michael
I think it has to do with the height difference is greater than the width or thickness. I also think we're at a point where thin is thin and a couple mm isn't much if any big deal. I also think the height difference wouldn't matter if the darn thing had a bigger screen vs smaller when compared to a Note. Again, mm is the concern but the point is the Plus is still bigger with less screen.
Even with my 65" LED TV which is now only maybe 1" thick, I really could care less if the next gen is .5" It's no longer 4" like Plasmas were in 2006 and that is great, but anything more is a law of diminishing return. It hangs on the wall with ease and both the Note and iPhone fit in my pocket with ease. Personally I think they need to focus on making smaller phones lighter.
Touch ID, I can't comment first hand as I don't have it but don't have a use for it either. I don't even use the fingerprint sensor on my laptop and could care less. Maybe I'm even one of the few that doesn't care if I carry a credit card with me. I buy way more things online than in store anymore anyway.
Finding the 6 or 6+ unappealing due to the size of the bezels, and that you'd prefer a slicker form factor without TouchID is certainly within one's right. And obviously, this criticism has been levied by many ad naseum. What I never see though is suggestions on how Apple could 'resolve' the bezel issue yet continue to include TouchID. People act like Apple is consciously using large bezels simply because they want to.
Put the same TouchID sensor in any other device and guess what--they all would have a larger bezel. As it stands now, the only solution to significantly reduce the iPhone's bezels would be to remove TouchID, something I don't think needs to be reiterated yet again that Apple will not be doing.
Android proponents routinely tout how so much about Android and its devices focus on function over form (i.e. Samsung's plastic removable back plates, S-Pen, and heart rate sensor, HTC One's boom speakers just to name a few) yet when Apple does it, they are just out of touch. :roll eyes:
And Michael, this post isn't directed specifically at you, just used your post to further the dialogue in general.
The reason I think it is as such is because the removable back plates, S-Pen, and heart rate sensor, HTC One's boom speakers haven't impacted the bezels or size of the devices if at all like the home button, Touch ID on the iPhone have. Again, I don't have a dog in the iPhone touch ID bezel argument but I am personally surprised Apple hasn't gone away from the button and integrated the sensors into the display and instead given it more display space.
You blew it......all you had to do was say TouchId is better than the fingerprint reader on the GS5.....we all could have reaped the benefits of that statement.....
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I was just about to write that very statement. I see that happening for all devices that have a physical home button that doubles as a fingerprint scanner. Makes sense......
Well I wouldn't want Apple to get rid of TouchID either. Perhaps they can come up with another way to do it other than the home screen button.
I have a Note 4 and use its fingerprint sensor as my unlock method. It is not as good as resting my finger on the home button but it does get the job done. I was primarily considering a Note 4 or 6+.
In the end the bigger screen, to a certain extent, was worth more than a better fingerprint sensor.
That said I believe Apple could come up with something that works good without needing the same sized home button.
Mike
Won't get any arguement from me here--would love to see this functionality integrated into the display. My guess though, is the the tech isn't ready for 'prime time', so to speak and why we haven't seen it yet. Hell, if it was even close my guess I'd we'd see it on a Samsung device first.
I do have to disagree about the One's boom speakers. They're great, loved em on my M7 but they undoubtedly result in a much bigger bezel. The One is one of the few devices with 'bezel management' as bad as the iPhone.
You don't hold your 65" TV. The mm shaved off the thickness and width make a difference when holding it. Less surface area for one's hand to have to cover. You may not think it's a big deal, but its far more important to me in use than the height.
5.5" vs 5.7" doesn't do much for me. Of course, I wouldn't mind a smaller overall device with the same display size - but I'd give it up for TouchID.
Which is exactly what Apple did and why I love the plus.
I just think people are blowing this WAY out of proportion while completely ignoring the other dimensions and their impact to feel in the hand.
Like I said - the 6+ feels quite a bit better in my hand than the Note 4. The curved edges and slightly skinnier width and thinner body make it easier to hold and use one-handed.
That means a lot more to me than some extra height that really only affects the aesthetics. None of my pockets are shallow enough for the height to matter.
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You say that as if its simple. Has it been done in a massed produced device yet? It isn't ready for primetime.
Until then, an extra 4 mm in height is "bearable" (though some here make it seem like Apple is selling device with a huge scratch in the middle of the display).
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That they can doesn't necessarily mean that they can NOW. I have no doubt that when an alternative is available, they will release it.
But at this point, the bezels are not that bad. The device is symmetrical and, to me, extremely good looking.
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Neither of those alternatives would be as convenient as a fingerprint sensor. Especially one that works as well as TouchID.
I don't want to have to raise my phone to my face to unlock it - or look directly in the sensor. I also don't want to have to speak to unlock my device (there are so many instances where it would be frowned upon to do so).
TouchID is a big deal - at least to me (and I assume a large number of iOS users) - and it's only becoming more integrated into various apps and features.
Until they can integrate the same functionality and ease of use into the display, the home button is here to stay. And definitely worth the extra mm in bezels IMO.
Part of the reason, that a lot of people like to gloss over, is that the screen on the Note is 5.7" vs. 5.5" on the iPhone. So the iPhone is "bigger" and has a smaller screen.
I have an iPhone 6 Plus, love it, have only ever had iPhones, but it does kind of suck that the phone has to be so much bigger to accomodate the top and bottom bezels.
No but I have to hang my TV and at 48lbs vs my old 65" at 98lbs, the difference is huge. not only in terms of how it's hung but actually hanging it. It sits flush with the wall and 1" vs 1/2" in thickness wouldn't make a difference against a flat wall. In terms of mm of thickness it's lost on the fact that most everyone puts a case or bumper on an iPhone. 1-2mm in the actual phone mean nothing. This isn't 1996 where phones really were thick. The car equiv. for my i7 friend is polished 19 inch 335i BMW wheels coming in at a massive 29 pounds on what is deemed a performance car. Ouch!
.2 in screen size doesn't matter to me either, but my point is the 6 plus is bigger yet smaller and that to me is another shocking point for it being an Apple. If they are so forward thinking then that move just doesn't fit in. I guess I expect more from them.
Fair opinion. Mine is the fact that it's so damn smooth and offers no tactile grip is a big drawback. The Note is far "stickier" to my hand.
different strokes I guess. Both my weekend wrangler and dress jeans push the limit with a Note in the back pocket. I sure as heck don't need even a little more phone poking out.
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not knocking it, just stating their are other alternatives such as building the sensor into the display. don't band-aid a solution on a design that's 7yrs old; improve the dang design already. Again, perhaps I have too high of expectations for even Apple.
meh...I don't see it yet.
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After having used it in my daily routine, I'd never be able to go back. It works so flawlessly and seamlessly I'd hate to have to go back to entering passwords again.
And Apple Pay....damn is that slick too. I hope more retailers jump on the bandwagon (enabling Google Wallet as well). That CurrentC crap looks horrible in comparison.
I'm not aware of any "fingerprint sensor" implementation that works like TouchID. The idea may be the same...but none are as easy to use and accurate. And the position (in the home button) makes perfect sense.
One tap is all I need to awaken and unlock my iPhone.
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I've not looked at the CurrentC but agree that it's a worn out world if the minds of finance don't start embracing the new age of technology. This is one area where Apple and Google need to fight on the same front. I'm not familiar with their respective technologies, but it would be best to use the same stuff so if a store takes one they take the other. If it's a coke/pepsi thing, then no one really wins.
Both implementations work off the same technology from what I know.
My source is that CVS and Rite-Aid recently disabled their NFC terminals which cut out Apple Pay & Google Wallet. AFAIK if a retailer has a functioning NFC terminal, both implementations would work.
And both should be the standard over that CurrentC.
on my note 4 it is just one more swipe to unlock using the finger print scanner.
Not as easy as touch id but still not that much harder.
TouchId is the best....but my Note 4 is almost as good. But the difference is not life changing.......
Didn't see if you mentioned it, but are you a Mac user? If so the choice is easy since Apple provides a lot of syncing possibilities and more are on the way. Backing up an iPhone to a Mac is also a nice feature, as are Handoff and continuity.
I do like pure unadulterated Android but Samsung lards it up with their own atrocious UX, apparently the "Touchwiz" you mentioned. For me, its gaudiness invokes a visceral dislike and actually using it creates an intellectual foundation for my hatred towards it. I cannot imagine recommending anyone use such a tacky device.
Have you considered the Nexus 6? It runs pure Android and looks better than the Samsung devices. 6" display in a body about the same size as the 5.5" 6+. I haven't seen any reviews of its camera yet, but since it's an HTC device the camera will likely suck short of HTC turning over a new leaf.
App choices between Android and iOS are IMO overblown. Just be sure the ones you use are available before buying. If not there are probably alternatives anyways.
One last caveat: Android has serious stability issues; most people I meet who use Android devices report random reboot bugs. My Nexus 7 reboots itself every hour or two, and Google searches suggest I'm not alone. Maybe Lollipop will be rock solid, but if I were you I'd wait a few months to see what others have to say.
I do like pure unadulterated Android but Samsung lards it up with their own atrocious UX, apparently the "Touchwiz" you mentioned. For me, its gaudiness invokes a visceral dislike and actually using it creates an intellectual foundation for my hatred towards it. I cannot imagine recommending anyone use such a tacky device.
Have you considered the Nexus 6? It runs pure Android and looks better than the Samsung devices. 6" display in a body about the same size as the 5.5" 6+. I haven't seen any reviews of its camera yet, but since it's an HTC device the camera will likely suck short of HTC turning over a new leaf.
App choices between Android and iOS are IMO overblown. Just be sure the ones you use are available before buying. If not there are probably alternatives anyways.
One last caveat: Android has serious stability issues; most people I meet who use Android devices report random reboot bugs. My Nexus 7 reboots itself every hour or two, and Google searches suggest I'm not alone. Maybe Lollipop will be rock solid, but if I were you I'd wait a few months to see what others have to say.
Most people cannot discern individual pixels at a 7" distance when density is over ~400 ppi. No human, not even eagle-eyed fighter pilots, can discern individual pixels at 7" for density over 450 ppi.
Basically for normal usage pixel density is not a deal breaker between the iPhone 6+ and any other phone on the market. However there are niche uses where higher density could be exploited, for example VR Google Cardboard type projects.
On overall image quality, the Note's OLED display slightly edges out the iPhone's, but OLED displays lose saturation and brightness as they age. After a year or two of use, the iPhone may well have superior image quality.
Every flagship and Nexus 7 2nd generation device I've used easily do hundreds of hours of uptime.
Note 3
Note 2
Nexus 7 2nd gen
