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mib1800

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Every flagship and Nexus 7 2nd generation device I've used easily do hundreds of hours of uptime.

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Android random rebooting has now become old wives tale. Like all old wives tale, some people are just so naive that they held on to them for comfort.
 

spriter

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TouchId is the best....but my Note 4 is almost as good. But the difference is not life changing.......

I must have rubbish fingers and thumbs!

TouchID is good but I still end up with only about 80% success rate. This despite me using all five slots for the same thumb.

I've been trying the Note 4's implementation, albeit only for a couple of days, and it's not too far behind my 5s. But yes, I'd agree TouchID is better in terms or accuracy and success.

Unfortunately both are still not giving me high enough of a success rate to be seamless so I've disabled them both.

I find the Note 4 quicker for pass code unlock as the numbers are on the screen immediately whereas I have to swipe first then tap on the iPhone.
 

spinedoc77

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I must have rubbish fingers and thumbs!

TouchID is good but I still end up with only about 80% success rate. This despite me using all five slots for the same thumb.

I've been trying the Note 4's implementation, albeit only for a couple of days, and it's not too far behind my 5s. But yes, I'd agree TouchID is better in terms or accuracy and success.

Unfortunately both are still not giving me high enough of a success rate to be seamless so I've disabled them both.

I find the Note 4 quicker for pass code unlock as the numbers are on the screen immediately whereas I have to swipe first then tap on the iPhone.

I'm the last person to defend Apple on here, but touch ID is pretty incredible. I'd say it was near 100% accuracy with me, and the way it's set up where you are almost doing one action is nice. The FP sensor on the Note 4 sucks. I've played with it and greatly improved the accuracy by registering multiple fingers and making sure I swipe the screen a little as I go into the button. But it still sucks IMO, not something I'd want to use every time I open my phone, I have mine set to every 10 minutes. With touch ID I could use it several times a minute and be happy.
 

jrswizzle

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I'm the last person to defend Apple on here, but touch ID is pretty incredible. I'd say it was near 100% accuracy with me, and the way it's set up where you are almost doing one action is nice. The FP sensor on the Note 4 sucks. I've played with it and greatly improved the accuracy by registering multiple fingers and making sure I swipe the screen a little as I go into the button. But it still sucks IMO, not something I'd want to use every time I open my phone, I have mine set to every 10 minutes. With touch ID I could use it several times a minute and be happy.

I'm one of the first people to defend iOS and I concur.

TouchID works 99% of the time on the first try for me. The way people make LED notification lights seem like life changing features on here is the way I feel about TouchID.

Brother-in-law was showing me his Note 4. While the fingerprint sensor was far more accurate than I expected, having to have two hands to do it (or not holding the phone) makes it automatically inferior in my opinion.

That and the swipe motion he would make....like was caressing something with his finger....I thought I might need to leave him alone with his "life companion". :p
 

Tinmania

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Most people cannot discern individual pixels at a 7" distance when density is over ~400 ppi. No human, not even eagle-eyed fighter pilots, can discern individual pixels at 7" for density over 450 ppi.

Basically for normal usage pixel density is not a deal breaker between the iPhone 6+ and any other phone on the market. However there are niche uses where higher density could be exploited, for example VR Google Cardboard type projects.

On overall image quality, the Note's OLED display slightly edges out the iPhone's, but OLED displays lose saturation and brightness as they age. After a year or two of use, the iPhone may well have superior image quality.
I create action memos with the sylus on my Note 4 and save them to the home screen as a single 1x1 icon. I can read them at that size.

I can also readily tell the difference between the iPhone 6+ display and Note 4.

My nearly 2 year old Note 2 looks as good as when I got it, albeit not up to today's PPI standards.

So you can spout theory but I will take my own experience.



Michael
 

spriter

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I'm one of the first people to defend iOS and I concur.

TouchID works 99% of the time on the first try for me. The way people make LED notification lights seem like life changing features on here is the way I feel about TouchID.

Brother-in-law was showing me his Note 4. While the fingerprint sensor was far more accurate than I expected, having to have two hands to do it (or not holding the phone) makes it automatically inferior in my opinion.

That and the swipe motion he would make....like was caressing something with his finger....I thought I might need to leave him alone with his "life companion". :p

This is what frustrates me most - that it seems to work near-flawlessly for everyone else. Friends and family rarely cite issues, neither do many users hero or reviewers so I'm pretty sure it's my fingers.

The Note interpretation does feel less natural and I thought I might have a defective unit at first. I was bending my finger at the knuckle instead of moving my whole finger/hand as one. It works reasonably well but is a little unnatural as a motion and less speedy.
 

Markyboy81

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I'm one of the first people to defend iOS and I concur.

TouchID works 99% of the time on the first try for me. The way people make LED notification lights seem like life changing features on here is the way I feel about TouchID.

Brother-in-law was showing me his Note 4. While the fingerprint sensor was far more accurate than I expected, having to have two hands to do it (or not holding the phone) makes it automatically inferior in my opinion.

That and the swipe motion he would make....like was caressing something with his finger....I thought I might need to leave him alone with his "life companion". :p
I've managed to set it up so I can unlock with either thumb while holding it one handed. Admittedly it works better with my right hand but it can be done.
 

Tinmania

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I've managed to set it up so I can unlock with either thumb while holding it one handed. Admittedly it works better with my right hand but it can be done.

Same for me. What helped for me was training it while holding it one-handed, for the sideways thumb unlock.

On my Note 4 I have it trained for both thumbs; straight down and sideways (so I can unlock one-handed from either hand). I also have both index fingers trained.

Works pretty good for me.




Michael
 

Markyboy81

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Same for me. What helped for me was training it while holding it one-handed, for the sideways thumb unlock.

On my Note 4 I have it trained for both thumbs; straight down and sideways (so I can unlock one-handed from either hand). I also have both index fingers trained.

Works pretty good for me.




Michael
Is there any way to increase the number of recognised fingerprints from the default 3?
 

Tinmania

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Is there any way to increase the number of recognised fingerprints from the default 3?

To me it seems like there are 6. In each of the 3 you can train it again--and even use a different finger. In my case I have:

1.) Right and left index finger.

2.) Right thumb straight and sideways.

3.) Left thumb straight and sideways.



Mike
 

rGiskard

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I create action memos with the sylus on my Note 4 and save them to the home screen as a single 1x1 icon. I can read them at that size.

I can also readily tell the difference between the iPhone 6+ display and Note 4.

My nearly 2 year old Note 2 looks as good as when I got it, albeit not up to today's PPI standards.

So you can spout theory but I will take my own experience.



Michael

Theory is informed by experimentation and testing, it is not necessarily separate from experience.

It sounds like you have good eyesight and can see the difference between 401 ppi and 450+. Also, the 6 Plus's resolution downscaling probably reduces sharpness some.

As for seeing a single pixel, that is not quite the same as resolving individual pixels. I'm a bit skeptical that it's actually a single pixel, but whatever. I agree that the Note 4 display is superior to that of the 6+, no argument there.

My nearly 2 year old Note 2 looks as good as when I got it

Do you have another brand new Note 2 for comparison? Otherwise you have no way of knowing if it looks the same.

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Every flagship and Nexus 7 2nd generation device I've used easily do hundreds of hours of uptime.

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Nexus 7 2nd gen
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So why do my Nexus 7 2nd Gen, along with dozens of other late model Android devices of friends and relatives, all have the same random reboot bug?

I've read that it could be some "errant application", but I've winnowed down my apps to the bare minimum. I've factory reset and restored. The problem persists. The fact remains that in 2014 no single app should be able to bring down an entire system.

I don't even get a cool bomb icon, just a silent reboot!

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spinedoc77

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Jun 11, 2009
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Most people cannot discern individual pixels at a 7" distance when density is over ~400 ppi. No human, not even eagle-eyed fighter pilots, can discern individual pixels at 7" for density over 450 ppi.

Basically for normal usage pixel density is not a deal breaker between the iPhone 6+ and any other phone on the market. However there are niche uses where higher density could be exploited, for example VR Google Cardboard type projects.

On overall image quality, the Note's OLED display slightly edges out the iPhone's, but OLED displays lose saturation and brightness as they age. After a year or two of use, the iPhone may well have superior image quality.

The pixels actually do serve a purpose besides better screen quality. You can fit more on screen. A perfect example of this is navigation, you can fit in a lot more of the map on the screen. I find this useful every single day as I use Waze to map my traffic to and from work and it really helps having more of the map on screen. It's more efficient IMO and feels more modern, where the iPhone feels like old technology because of it, kind of like getting a new laptop which has old technology/resolution.

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Theory is informed by experimentation and testing, it is not necessarily separate from experience.

It sounds like you have good eyesight and can see the difference between 401 ppi and 450+. Also, the 6 Plus's resolution downscaling probably reduces sharpness some.

As for seeing a single pixel, that is not quite the same as resolving individual pixels. I'm a bit skeptical that it's actually a single pixel, but whatever. I agree that the Note 4 display is superior to that of the 6+, no argument there.



Do you have another brand new Note 2 for comparison? Otherwise you have no way of knowing if it looks the same.

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So why do my Nexus 7 2nd Gen, along with dozens of other late model Android devices of friends and relatives, all have the same random reboot bug?

I've read that it could be some "errant application", but I've winnowed down my apps to the bare minimum. I've factory reset and restored. The problem persists. The fact remains that in 2014 no single app should be able to bring down an entire system.

I don't even get a cool bomb icon, just a silent reboot!

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Hmm, I've never seen that bug in years of owning android devices. Even my old crappy Captivate didn't do that. Interestingly enough iOS is what I've always associated random reboots with. I'd be interested if you can narrow that down to an app.
 

rGiskard

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The pixels actually do serve a purpose besides better screen quality. You can fit more on screen. A perfect example of this is navigation, you can fit in a lot more of the map on the screen. I find this useful every single day as I use Waze to map my traffic to and from work and it really helps having more of the map on screen. It's more efficient IMO and feels more modern, where the iPhone feels like old technology because of it, kind of like getting a new laptop which has old technology/resolution.

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Hmm, I've never seen that bug in years of owning android devices. Even my old crappy Captivate didn't do that. Interestingly enough iOS is what I've always associated random reboots with. I'd be interested if you can narrow that down to an app.

Most of the recent increases in pixel density have been used to increase fine detail rather than to fit more on the display. For a given physical screen size, the size of GUI elements and app content remains the same, but it is all much sharper and more detailed.

I'm shocked there are Android users who haven't encountered the random reboot bug. Yeah I guess I could spend a weekend trying to narrow down the App(s) which are causing it, but I shouldn't have to do that. No single App should take down an OS. Period. The fix is to buy an iPad.

Unfortunately I've been reading more reports of random reboots on iOS since 8 was released. Wouldn't that be something if Apple downgraded their software quality in an effort to compete with Android!
 

Robstevo

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I had the note 3 and at first I thought it was great, but a few months after I had it, the fake plastic chrome paint started to peel (making it look like a mess), the software also didnt get an update to kitkat from the time the note 3 came out and about 5 months after kit kat came out which is ridiculous waiting 5 months for 1 update so i ended up selling it and getting a nexus 5 (which i still have), For me just the overall touchwiz experience was terrible , running games etc was a beat, but they I got random crashes, lots of lag, too many features that were half baked.

For me to ever go back to a samsung phone they would need to make the buidl quality on par with apple/sony/htc and have a simpler , cleaner and more refined experience when it comes to soft ware, and even then, they need to find a way to get android updated come to devices a lot quicker ( for me a month max).


Note 4 vs Iphone 6 plus is an interesting one, Both are basically the best phones on the market. For me the Iphone software is more refined and beatuiful, but it lacks some features that could take advantage of the screen real estate like the note 4 does. However I'm willing to bet IOS developers will make some amazing apps that do take advantage of the phablet sizae screens, compared to android developers that dont.
 

mi7chy

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Oct 24, 2014
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Unfortunately I've been reading more reports of random reboots on iOS since 8 was released. Wouldn't that be something if Apple downgraded their software quality in an effort to compete with Android!

I know you're trolling but random reboots, blue screen of death, etc. became more frequent with iOS 7.x and affected several devices including iPhone 5, 4S, etc. That's more like copying the unreliability of Windows NT since Steve Jobs is no longer around to do quality checks. Android is based on Linux so it's inherently stable.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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Most of the recent increases in pixel density have been used to increase fine detail rather than to fit more on the display. For a given physical screen size, the size of GUI elements and app content remains the same, but it is all much sharper and more detailed.

I'm shocked there are Android users who haven't encountered the random reboot bug. Yeah I guess I could spend a weekend trying to narrow down the App(s) which are causing it, but I shouldn't have to do that. No single App should take down an OS. Period. The fix is to buy an iPad.

Unfortunately I've been reading more reports of random reboots on iOS since 8 was released. Wouldn't that be something if Apple downgraded their software quality in an effort to compete with Android!

It's pretty obvious that the Note 4 fits more on its display than the Note 3 in certain apps such as Waze, which I mentioned. I haven't noticed anything other than maps/navigation apps fitting in more information though. Certainly the desktop fits in the same amount of information, but the sharper resolution makes small things nicer. So when I reduce icon size, fonts, etc. with Nova launcher they look sharper.
 

Tinmania

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It's pretty obvious that the Note 4 fits more on its display than the Note 3 in certain apps such as Waze, which I mentioned. I haven't noticed anything other than maps/navigation apps fitting in more information though. Certainly the desktop fits in the same amount of information, but the sharper resolution makes small things nicer. So when I reduce icon size, fonts, etc. with Nova launcher they look sharper.

Oh it's definitely more than just maps and navigation that benefit from the higher PPI screen. I use remote control software and can now see much more detail, without zooming in to a portion of the remote screen, than I have ever been able to do on a phone. Indeed I can see and interact with the entire desktop on about any pc or mac that I need to remote into. As well I should: my phone has more pixels than the monitors that are attached to the machines I am controlling.

Even with something as mundane as a Facebook photo the higher PPI is obvious.



Mike
 

gadgetgirl85

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This is the hardest decision for me! I currently have a 6+ which I have to return next Thursday to be in the 14 day window. The Note 4 is coming out Wednesday here LOL. I love the fiddliness of android and customisability. The ability to write down my workouts would be neat but the continuity between devices and smoothness of IOS is also another factor. BAAHHH
 

jamezr

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This is the hardest decision for me! I currently have a 6+ which I have to return next Thursday to be in the 14 day window. The Note 4 is coming out Wednesday here LOL. I love the fiddliness of android and customisability. The ability to write down my workouts would be neat but the continuity between devices and smoothness of IOS is also another factor. BAAHHH
LOL......well you can't go wrong with either phone! There are both great phones!

If you are deep into the Apple ecosystem.....then makes sense to stick with the IP6+ :)
 

gadgetgirl85

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LOL......well you can't go wrong with either phone! There are both great phones!

If you are deep into the Apple ecosystem.....then makes sense to stick with the IP6+ :)

I am deep in Apple's ecosystem LOL. VERY! I think I will check out the note 4 on Wednesday and make up my mind.
 

smacman

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Feb 7, 2006
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I returned my 6+ and bought a Note 4.

Although the 6+ is a great phone, somehow it just felt boring to use. It was also very impractical in that it was very hard to use without a case (as slippery as a bar of soap) and somehow seemed huge for the actual screen size (bezels, home button, etc.).

I am loving the Note 4. Much more pocketable, much easier to hold without a case, better screen to device size ratio, and somehow this thing satisfies my inner geek.
 

dominiongamma

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Oct 19, 2014
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Note 4 or iPhone 6 plus

Okay sorry for being a dead horse but I've been waiting for my iPhone 6+ for over a month now and I'm getting tired of waiting. So my question is has a one and thinking about switching over to the Note 4? I'm toying with the idea and everyday I wait for my iPhone im losing interest am I the only one? :cool: tmobile upgraded me to the 128 silver for free and gave me credit for no down payment should I use it on the Note 4 instead? Thanks!
 

jamezr

macrumors P6
Aug 7, 2011
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Okay sorry for being a dead horse but I've been waiting for my iPhone 6+ for over a month now and I'm getting tired of waiting. So my question is has a one and thinking about switching over to the Note 4? I'm toying with the idea and everyday I wait for my iPhone im losing interest am I the only one? :cool: tmobile upgraded me to the 128 silver for free and gave me credit for no down payment should I use it on the Note 4 instead? Thanks!
Hey I'm in Mesa too....

But this topic has been beat to death. Orginal thread is here...

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1797769/
 
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