Only 146,000 iPhone activations Opening Weekend

[skipdivils]

Tell me: what part of the iphone OS is going to make it into leopard?

Everything is just OS X scaled down. The OS X team ported OS X to the iphone and took out a bunch of features.

I really don't think it's going to do anything but continue to rob developers from OS X for mac to work for OS X for iphone.

Well, try this on for size. What if Apple fully integrated OSX (10.5), or OS 11 (one day) with ALL their products. This way, the iphone would become a remote control that could access ALL of your home computer files (music, movies, programs, etc.) anytime you are on wifi. Kind of like slingbox, but a million times better. This is where the OSX development team WILL be going with this (and other) products. Now, when this happens, will you say that MAc users have been robbed of OS development by Apple? I doubt it!

Instead, you will be sitting in Starbucks sipping your latte and controlling your home computer, with full access to EVERYTHING. It would be like having terabytes of storage on your iphone.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if in another 5 years the iphone could beam Scotty out of his grave and right to Starbucks to join you for a coffee.

 

[bretm]

Lets have a closer look at the 146k number.

So the phone was released on a Friday at 6pm and the sales figures include the 3 or so hour period on that Friday and the whole of Saturday.

It excludes all the sales that happend when registration failed or took a while.

Unless you are in a big city with an Apple store you were just not able to get your hands on a phone that weekend. I live in Colorado and am 150 miles from Denver. The closest ATT store is 120 miles in Gand Junction (start your triangulation engines and give me my GPS coordinates)

The local ATT store had 20 iPhones. If one assumes 2000 ATT stores at 20 each that gives only 40k units. That said the 100+ apple stores sold the rest. So 1000 phones sold per Apple store.

Now the question is what percent of the population lives anywhere near an Apple store and botheres to stand in line. My guess is that only about 30% of the population is near enough to an Apple store to bother stopping by.

That would translate into a 300k unit demand that was not and could not be fullfilled that weekend. So if one assumes that everybody that wanted an iPhone that was living near an Apple store got his phone then there were 300k people that could not get theirs. If that was all demand there was it would translate to about 500k units !

But sure enough there are people that live near an Apple store that did not buy their iPhones that first day (+3hours). So if one assumes that only half the people bothered going to buy their iPhones right there that would translate to an overall 1m units.

So my "guess" is that 1m units have been sold so far as availability increases and people's Apple Store orders are getting filed.

And just how many were purchased on Apple.com that day? They certainly weren't activated for a week or more! This number doesn't take into effect any web purchases. AND, it pretty much doesn't take into effect the majority of Saturday, since I'd wager, that like myself, I just didn't activate mine until Sunday because I'd heard of all the trouble. And I bought mine Friday night!

I'm going to wager that the whole weekend comes very close to the 500k units that many assumed. The web purchases alone may push it toward 300k. And if Sunday was as good as Saturday and Friday, then you can double that 146 number right there.

So, double the 146 and add in the web and missed activations. C'mon, it's got to be pushing half a million purchases over the weekend.

 

[Poll Smoker]

One thing you can count on Apple for is Showman ship. Steve Jobs didn't want ATT to get the glory of announcing the sales numbers, so he had them announce the "Activation" numbers, knowing quite well that such a number wouldn't harm the stock of a huge company like ATT. But when the sales figures come out on Apple's earnings announcement, I think they may find another sale or two. What about:

The 10,000 iPhones that were offered on eBay. Certainly not activated.

The iPhones ordered online and shipped a few days later. Certainly not activated.

Those who had several day delays because they were switching carriers. Certainly not activated before Saturday night.

Apple's sales number will likely be much higher.


But the most important number will be the kickback that Apple get for each iPhone sold. Rumored to be $200 per phone from ATT. Let's look at the numbers:

1. A profit margin of $300 per iPhone sold.
2. A $200 kickback per iPhone.

Net result: $0 cost per 4GB iPhone for Apple, $100 cost per 8GB iPhone.

Now if you had a cell phone that cost you between $0 and $100 to make, wouldn't you lower the cost for, say, Christmas and invite sales to explode to the masses? Of course you would. After all, by Christmas you would have all the kinks worked out.

What's the point in selling a iPhone closer to your cost? Why of course its the $9/month/subscriber. That's $108 per year for at least 2 years!

At $108/year how many of the hundreds of millions of cell phone subscribers do you think Apple will want to sign up? Not to mention selling them music, movies, and TV shows through iTunes. Oh, and while I'm at it, why not rent them movies through AppleTV?

You don't think Steve Jobs became a billionaire by accident, do you?


Am I the only person on the planet that finds it odd that ATT would announce the activation numbers and not the sales numbers? Sounds like a setup to me.

I'm with ajhill on this one!

Apple is the best ever!

 

[shk718]

here is an article that suggests that the activation problems were much larger than reported by ATT - but everyone is speculating and we won't know facts untill tonight:

http://notablecalls.blogspot.com/2007/07/apple-nasdaqaapl-rbc-comments-on-iphone.html

btw apple is up a couple of bucks in pre trading - so there was definetly some profit taking yesterday.

 

[bretm]

To be fair, this figure (146K for the first day and a half) is roughly in line with many analysts' original estimates, working out at roughly 250K sales for the first weekend.

It was only when analysts bought into the launch weekend frenzy that they revised their guesstimates dramatically upwards (one even from 350K to 700K); thus making the shortfall more marked.

It's a good reminder of how fickle/fragile the market is. Investors buy into a product hype, and raise estimates dramatically. The iPhone, even though it was one of the most successful phone launches ever, fails to meet these goals, and Apple shares take a nosedive. (..which in turn contributed to ripples of doubt throughout the market, and so on..)

That said, these figures aren't inspiring if Apple hope to reach 10m by the end of 2008.

Wait, you actually think it's possible that Apple could sell 10m by the end of the year? That's pretty freakin hilarious. Seriously. That 3% of the US Population!!!! They don't even have a 3% share of the computer industry. I'm as big a Mac fan as anybody but have some reasonable expectations. I'd bet that not even half the US population has a cell phone. So 3% of the population would be 6% of the cell phone market or more. Let's say 10%. That means 1 out of every 10 cell phone users is going to be an iPhone? It's not even relatively priced for that. It's just not going to happen. If you do this kind of math, 146k is an awesome chunk of the market for one day. And possibly 500k for a weekend starts to erode other companies share. But 10m isn't going to happen.

 

[iAmLegend]

I find it funny how many people here are hurt so much by the truth. Face it the iPhone sales where massively and I mean MASSIVELY over hyped and I would say at MOST 200k units where sold.

Almost as funny as someone who feels so threatened by a phone that they take some perverse pleasure in it's low sales figures.

I asked before and I will ask again...how do these sales figures in any way change the fact that this phone is amazing? Some of you make it seem as if the phone will stop working if not enough units are sold nationwide. Get a grip people. I have never seen so many people posting on a forum for a product they don't even own. It's comical

 

[skipdivils]

Wait, you actually think it's possible that Apple could sell 10m by the end of the year? That's pretty freakin hilarious. Seriously. That 3% of the US Population!!!! They don't even have a 3% share of the computer industry. I'm as big a Mac fan as anybody but have some reasonable expectations. I'd bet that not even half the US population has a cell phone. So 3% of the population would be 6% of the cell phone market or more. Let's say 10%. That means 1 out of every 10 cell phone users is going to be an iPhone? It's not even relatively priced for that. It's just not going to happen. If you do this kind of math, 146k is an awesome chunk of the market for one day. And possibly 500k for a weekend starts to erode other companies share. But 10m isn't going to happen.

It is 10 million by the end of 2008, not 2007. And by 2008, the iphone will be available in many more countries, so everything you just said is totally invalid. Add to that the price drop that will come, and maybe even a new model, and your entire post can just be ignored.

 

[panda]

you are a bit off

Wait, you actually think it's possible that Apple could sell 10m by the end of the year? That's pretty freakin hilarious. Seriously. That 3% of the US Population!!!! They don't even have a 3% share of the computer industry. I'm as big a Mac fan as anybody but have some reasonable expectations. I'd bet that not even half the US population has a cell phone. So 3% of the population would be 6% of the cell phone market or more. Let's say 10%. That means 1 out of every 10 cell phone users is going to be an iPhone? It's not even relatively priced for that. It's just not going to happen. If you do this kind of math, 146k is an awesome chunk of the market for one day. And possibly 500k for a weekend starts to erode other companies share. But 10m isn't going to happen.

doesn't anyone take the time to read???? i posted a perfectly good analysis of these figures on pg 11 or 12 !!!

as for your post:

1) the post you are referring to clearly says 10m by the end of 2008
2) the iphone is also an ipod substitute and there have been 100s of millions of those sold
3) i suspect you are flat wrong about the no of mobile users in the u.s. in denmark, there are more than 1 cell phone per inhabitant

check things before basting off into space as you did.

 

[skipdivils]

So, now that the day of the 3Q report is here, does anyone in this thread care to put it on the line and predict what they will report as iphone sales for 3Q.

I myself would say that it will be 240,000 units for 3Q.

IF....IF, they say anything about the rest of the first week, I would put it at 500,000 units.

And I also think it is possible that a statement about reaching 1 million units sold 'within the next week' might come out.

 

[rjwill246]

Here's what TheStreet has said-- I summarized it before in this thread, and we'll have to wait and see if it is true. To the poster above who could hardly believe Apple wanted to sell 10 million phones-- that is EXACTLY what Jobs said, but it was by end of 2008 and with worldwide sales, which are currently 1 billion!!

The quote:
Apple is receiving unprecedented amounts in a long-suspected revenue-sharing agreement with AT&T, according to the market publication TheStreet. Sources claimed to be close to the two companies suggest that AT&T is paying Apple between $150 and $200 per purchased iPhone, plus another $9 a month for the duration of the mandatory iPhone contract (normally two years). This is even higher than what was predicted by the research firm Piper Jaffray, which amounted to $3 a month for existing AT&T subscribers, and $8 for new customers.
Should the new report be accurate, it could produce a dramatic surge in the price of Apple stock, which is already expected to surpass the $200 amount in the near future -- possibly by the end of 2007.

None of the negatively inclined analysts have mentioned this....

 

[Sobe]

Apple is up $2.05, come on people, I need more negativity!

 

[shawnce]

Apple is up $2.05, come on people, I need more negativity!

Yeah I set my buy trigger a little to low... dammit folks!

...at least I can sit on the shares I purchased at an average price of 9 dollars a share (to bad I decide to split my money across a few other stocks back then, I knew it but I just didn't have the balls at the time).

 

[Alpinism]

i am so sick of hearing anything iphone on the front page.

 

[rjlawrencejr]

i am so sick of hearing anything iphone on the front page.

I didn't know macrumors came with audio LOL

I don't know if this was addressed (way way too many posts to unpack), but what constitutes as an activation in AT&T's mind? Are they counting activated iPhones period or are they only including added lines or totally new customers?

For instance, I signed up with AT&T 48 hours prior to launch. But when I got my iPhone, I did not activate a new line - I merely added the iPhone data plan. Am I part of that 146,000 or am I included in another bucket? The easiest way to see how the iPhone is doing for AT&T would be to see how many iPhone data plan subscriptions they actually have.

 

[-hh]

In South Dakota we have 3 choices...Anyhow I don't expect Apple to cater to anyone in the rural areas...

That's really more of an issue with the USA's cellular service, in that Verizon's lead was implimented through CDMA instead of GSM. As a result, if I want to have a phone that works well out in the USA Rural, as well as a phone that works on my business trips to Europe, I need to carry two phones, or pay through the nose for VZW's Quad Band phone (which was also very low quality 2 years ago).

And even then, guess what...neither works in Japan.

I don't think anyone would have objected if you could choose a different provider.

It will eventually come, but for the meantime, Apple has cut a deal with AT&T that is very favorable to them financially. We don't really know how much the iPhone ultimately cost to develop, but suffice to say that all of those expenses have to be paid off one way or another, and for Apple to recover their investments through an exclusitivity deal with a cellular provider isn't that bad of a way to go about doing it, so long as most consumers aren't hurt by it, because it allows Apple to sell the product to the consumer at a cheaper price.

While your SD situation is somewhat unique, the question for anyone in regards to the AT&T "issue" is....how much are you willing to pay today for a non-AT&T iPhone? For example, if a Verizon iPhone was $1099, would you stick with VZW or is the cost premium high enough of an incentive for you to switch to AT&T?


-hh

 

[kdarling]

I don't know if this was addressed (way way too many posts to unpack), but what constitutes as an activation in AT&T's mind? Are they counting activated iPhones period or are they only including added lines or totally new customers?

Yes, it's been addressed many times

1) AT&T would want to put forth the largest number they could, for their stock to look good. Therefore it stands to reason that they counted each phone's initial activation request.

2) More than likely, the way it was counted was by some programmer doing a simple grep and unique line count of the activation requests in a log. Yes, this is the way telecoms actually do things.

 

[whooleytoo]

Wait, you actually think it's possible that Apple could sell 10m by the end of the year? That's pretty freakin hilarious. Seriously. That 3% of the US Population!!!! They don't even have a 3% share of the computer industry. I'm as big a Mac fan as anybody but have some reasonable expectations. I'd bet that not even half the US population has a cell phone. So 3% of the population would be 6% of the cell phone market or more. Let's say 10%. That means 1 out of every 10 cell phone users is going to be an iPhone? It's not even relatively priced for that. It's just not going to happen. If you do this kind of math, 146k is an awesome chunk of the market for one day. And possibly 500k for a weekend starts to erode other companies share. But 10m isn't going to happen.

Those are Apple's expectations, not mine. And it's by the end of '08, not this year.

The iPhone will also have been on the market in (at least some) European markets for almost a year by then, so it is a much bigger market they're selling into.

(Incidentally, cell phone penetration in the US is higher than 50%, I believe it's in the low 70s but am open to corrections. That is still quite low compared to many Euro and Asian countries where it's well over 100% - more cell phone contracts than people).

 

[NDPTAL85]

Well the one that came with the mac pro sucks, the one I added to use instead is malfunctioning, and the new one doesn't work in boot camp.

I do video production sometimes though, and it's nice burning 2 things at once.




Tell me: what part of the iphone OS is going to make it into leopard?

Everything is just OS X scaled down. The OS X team ported OS X to the iphone and took out a bunch of features.

I really don't think it's going to do anything but continue to rob developers from OS X for mac to work for OS X for iphone.

Apple ADMITTED they delayed leopard for iphone, the debate is over, isn't it? Apple over extended themselves to get the iphone out on time and every mac user is suffering for it (apart from those who bought iphones, I guess).

When leopard comes out, it's going to be no better than it would have been if the iphone had not been around.

All I'm saying is: this iphone is not going to be a the biggest cash-cow for Apple, not so much as macs have been and continue to be. I hope they get back in gear on their real innovative and successful products and stop sacrificing them to jump into new markets. I realize this phase is probably over for Apple, but I figure it's worth mentioning, in light of this isn't exactly a runaway product.

No the debate is NOT over. Apple is simply going through some TEMPORARY growing pains. Doesn't anyone remember that Apple has GREATLY expanded its campuses? http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/18/apple-expands-campuses-in-austin-and-cupertino/

After adding space it takes time to hire and train the extra employees to fill them. Until that point Apple's resources are limited.

Now as to whether or not the iPhone will be the biggest cash cow for Apple....it most certainly will be. 1 billion cell phones are sold every year, no where near as many PCs are sold every year. Not a runaway product? Do you forget so soon how few initial sales the iPod and iPod Nano had? Jesus. Nevermind the fact that the iPod DOUBLED Apple's revenue and marketcap, the iPhone has the potential to double what the iPod has already doubled. Add to that the iPod has been in part behind the Mac's rise in sales (the other part being the switch to Intel.) the iPhone will only help with this.

So in short do you understand why Apple made the iPod and iPhone? Its all ultimately to increase Mac sales. Just making Macs wasn't working. Apple has to hit people over the head coming and going with Apple Stores, with the iTunes Music Store, with iPods and iPhones to get them to buy Macs....and its WORKING. Seeing as how the Mac is the CENTERPIECE of this entire strategy you can rest assured that Apple is in no way shape or form neglecting the Mac.

 

[blitzkrieg79]

I don't feel like searching through my earlier posts, but pretty much it's just like I predicted, iPhone sales in the first week were pretty high but then the market comes back to reality and there is a significant drop in sales simply because it is too expensive for an average consumer to pay for what eventually is just a cell phone.

Unless Apple will drop the prices, iPhone sales obviously won't get any better than throughout the first week of it's release.

 

[blitzkrieg79]

No the debate is NOT over. Apple is simply going through some TEMPORARY growing pains. Doesn't anyone remember that Apple has GREATLY expanded its campuses? http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/18/apple-expands-campuses-in-austin-and-cupertino/

After adding space it takes time to hire and train the extra employees to fill them. Until that point Apple's resources are limited.

Now as to whether or not the iPhone will be the biggest cash cow for Apple....it most certainly will be. 1 billion cell phones are sold every year, no where near as many PCs are sold every year. Not a runaway product? Do you forget so soon how few initial sales the iPod and iPod Nano had? Jesus. Nevermind the fact that the iPod DOUBLED Apple's revenue and marketcap, the iPhone has the potential to double what the iPod has already doubled. Add to that the iPod has been in part behind the Mac's rise in sales (the other part being the switch to Intel.) the iPhone will only help with this.

So in short do you understand why Apple made the iPod and iPhone? Its all ultimately to increase Mac sales. Just making Macs wasn't working. Apple has to hit people over the head coming and going with Apple Stores, with the iTunes Music Store, with iPods and iPhones to get them to buy Macs....and its WORKING. Seeing as how the Mac is the CENTERPIECE of this entire strategy you can rest assured that Apple is in no way shape or form neglecting the Mac.

For a company that creates so much noise in the tech world, Apple computer share is pretty pathetic at 6%, which is about equal to Gateway computers which doesn't generate any buzz with it's products. iPod has been out for how many years now, Apples market share has improved over that span by maybe 2-3%, I am not saying it's not a lot but Apple is a more intuitive company than most other computer makers which generates a lot of buzz around the tech world, but it doesn't translate into Mac sales. Reality is that Apple has introduced the iPod, iPhone, iTV to diversify itself away from just being a computer maker.

Apple first tried to make the iPod Mac OS exclusive but the iPod wasn't generating enough Mac sales so they made it Windows compatibile to broaden it's market, same goes for all other products,most of them offer Windows compatibility simply because no PC person is going to buy a Mac just to synchronize with iPod.

 

[-hh]

I find it funny how many people here are hurt so much by the truth. Face it the iPhone sales where massively and I mean MASSIVELY over hyped and I would say at MOST 200k units where sold.

The general problem with these numbers is that it is merely one datapoint on a sales curve that's known to be in the middle of a very steep slope, due to the initial product rush. As such, the 143K...as well as your 200K guess...are virtually meaningless numbers. Regardless of the Hype, you need to take a look at the "Box Office" sales in a rational fashion, and gage your success/failure when there's a relativel lull. AT&T's number split the big weekend, so it is of course going to be a 'bad' number.

Lets also look at other facts that there has been a long history of apple products being over hype in how good they are. Even more so in how well they sell. This is just another one to add to that very fast growing list.

Truth hurts don't it.

Bookmarked for future reference. Perhaps as early as this afternoon

I would be interested in hearing what this "long list" of overhyped products are. The one thing that one can say about the current Steve Jobs leadership is that he doesn't have that many product flops.

I would expect the TV to be a "flop" on this list, but I consider it to be still in the market germination phase ... just wait until we start to really approach Feb 17, 2009.

Similarly, there's the cube. That was a product from 2000...yeah, its been 7 years already.

Better provide your 'ever growing' list, for my memory is failing.


-hh

 

[michelle21]

I
Unless Apple will drop the prices, iPhone sales obviously won't get any better than throughout the first week of it's release.

The Iphone is a computer that thinks its a phone. More correctly its a web enabled tablet that blows away similiar devices if there were any, . This device thrives on wi-fi, much the way chocolate goes with peanutbutter , the phone features are good but not great.

Drop the price by 100 bucks on the 4gb, and you find it on every college campus.

people don't like or at least arn't used to a totally networked enabled device, the iphone closely resembles concepts from sun microsystems from the 90's, and some of microsofts .net plans that never really surfaced. The idea that all the applications live on the server, either your own personal server , a leased server or the public internet. Star Trek fans the Iphone is STNG Padd 1.0. (maybe they should of hired patrick Stewert as their spokeman).
(captain... bad news , Accidently left a PADD in the 21st century and Apple copied it)


I agree , it would be nice if the Iphone supported 3g, and maybe future versions will, also I hope future versions will have a forward mounted video camera for conferencing. But one has to look at what market apple is really looking at, its not real clear.

I believe that the iphone will have its biggest impact as a replacement where people now use laptops for social communication. Before I brought my iphone I was carrying a sony t150 (light at about 2 pounds but still not as convient as the iphone).

Those locations would be the following, all with decent wifi coverage.


StarBucks and other coffee houses
College campuses


The iphone has beautiful streaming video capability which won't be reallized fully until developers learn the full capabilites of the built in player's byte range request abilities. (did you see the apple developer team podcast on itunes, its an impressive demostration).

Internet and email on the Iphone is a pleasent experience, in fact I perfer reviewing email on the Iphone vs. the PC.


Or maybe I'm tired of all this discussion in this thread based on a full 1.5 days of activation (not even sales data) and decided to do an equally useless post.

 

[blitzkrieg79]

The Iphone is a computer that thinks its a phone. More correctly its a web enabled tablet that blows away similiar devices if there were any, . This device thrives on wi-fi, much the way chocolate goes with peanutbutter , the phone features are good but not great.

Drop the price by 100 bucks on the 4gb, and you find it on every college campus.

people don't like or at least arn't used to a totally networked enabled device, the iphone closely resembles concepts from sun microsystems from the 90's, and some of microsofts .net plans that never really surfaced. The idea that all the applications live on the server, either your own personal server , a leased server or the public internet. Star Trek fans the Iphone is STNG Padd 1.0. (maybe they should of hired patrick Stewert as their spokeman).
(captain... bad news , Accidently left a PADD in the 21st century and Apple copied it)


I agree , it would be nice if the Iphone supported 3g, and maybe future versions will, also I hope future versions will have a forward mounted video camera for conferencing. But one has to look at what market apple is really looking at, its not real clear.

I believe that the iphone will have its biggest impact as a replacement where people now use laptops for social communication. Before I brought my iphone I was carrying a sony t150 (light at about 2 pounds but still not as convient as the iphone).

Those locations would be the following, all with decent wifi coverage.


StarBucks and other coffee houses
College campuses


The iphone has beautiful streaming video capability which won't be reallized fully until developers learn the full capabilites of the built in player's byte range request abilities. (did you see the apple developer team podcast on itunes, its an impressive demostration).

Internet and email on the Iphone is a pleasent experience, in fact I perfer reviewing email on the Iphone vs. the PC.


Or maybe I'm tired of all this discussion in this thread based on a full 1.5 days of activation (not even sales data) and decided to do an equally useless post.

Ummmmmmmmm, on college campuses? Maybe in Harvard or Princeton (you know, the ones with rich kids). For $599 you can get a basic Windows laptop with wireless connectivity that you can actually use to type reports or create presentations, even using messenger on iPhone for longer than a minute gets tiresome, iPhone certainly is not gonna replace a laptop, not with it's screen size nor keyboard. iPhone, just like the name of it suggests, is a cell phone first and everything else is an afterthought, there will be few techno geeks who will actually use all the features but to most people the most important feature of it is the ability to use it as a speaking communication device. The price of iPhone would have to be at least dropped by $200-250 to make it attractive to college kids.

Basically iPhone is too expensive for being a cell phone, and too small to really replace a tablet/laptop.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Almost as funny as someone who feels so threatened by a phone that they take some perverse pleasure in it's low sales figures.

I asked before and I will ask again...how do these sales figures in any way change the fact that this phone is amazing? Some of you make it seem as if the phone will stop working if not enough units are sold nationwide. Get a grip people. I have never seen so many people posting on a forum for a product they don't even own. It's comical

call me threated by it if you want but really I am not. Heck for me the iPhone is just another phone. Yes it has a lot of features and something I will keep an eye on when I have to decide if I want to replace my current phone which is one of the cheap flip phones that covers my basic needs and really all I want.
Do I think it is great yes. When I read numbers on the sunday after the release being over 250k I was shocked and though they where to high but something I was wondering when the truth would come out if they where true or now.

What I find rather disturbing is the fan boys here who are crying over the fact that the numbers are a lot lower. The longer time goes on the better activation numbers are going for finding out phones are sold. The first numbers we know are low and i say maybe 20-30% low and longer times goes on that difference will drop a lot lower and be better than the number apple releases because apple number is always going to be a guess. AT&T number is not a guess but cold hard fact that is easy to look up.

I think activation issues maybe where 10% of the people but not much above that.

As for the iPhone and for me I am going to keep an eye on it and I will think about it when I replace my phone to a "smart phone" in January. The biggest factor in what I get will be how nice does the iPhone play with outlook and the calender in outlook. I am going into an industry that used outlook very heavily so yes it will be a determining factor for me.
BUt threaten by the iPhone no. That is an excuse a lot of the Apple fan boys are making for anyone who says that the lower than expect number from AT&T is a better number than anything else we have out their right now.

 

[kdarling]

The Iphone is a computer that thinks its a phone. More correctly its a web enabled tablet that blows away similiar devices if there were any, . This device thrives on wi-fi, much the way chocolate goes with peanutbutter , the phone features are good but not great.

There are other tablet WiFi browsing devices, and they have much higher screen resolution than the iPhone.

Star Trek fans the Iphone is STNG Padd 1.0.

Too bad Apple is such a control freak. Someone could do a nice LCARS theme. I started to do one for fun under iPhone Safari, but it's crippled as far as mouse movements (your finger) go... because the browser thinks you want to scroll around instead.

ST-TNG is a good example of why touchscreens won't take over, btw. Don't you just cringe each time they get hit by a blast, and the bridge crew stumbles around, grabbing ahold of any console they can? All those random control touches must cause tons of trouble