OS X 10.10 Yosemite: All The Little Things

[sleepyfurious]

I have just notice that we can now drag to move/copy between any native in-app file chooser dialog and Finder. Kind of like Windows' file chooser dialog. Drag to set target is still there if we drag to drop-down menu. It is sure more convenient, hoping that they just don't forget about their handy proxy icon in newer apps.

 

[ps3zocker]

I have just notice that we can now drag to move/copy between any native in-app file chooser dialog and Finder. Kind of like Windows' file chooser dialog. Drag to set target is still there if we drag to drop-down menu. It is sure more convenient, hoping that they just don't forget about their handy proxy icon in newer apps.

This was just a bug. They've changed that behavior again.

 

[fanta]

iTunes will now show a List view of the music library again. This was missing in the previous betas (at least in PB1).

 

[oMc]

iTunes will now show a List view of the music library again. This was missing in the previous betas (at least in PB1).

I think it was already present in PB1.

 

[n-evo]

I think it was already present in PB1.

Yup it was.

 

[simon48]

You can view full website address if you want to.

Hallelujah! In the public beta it looks nice and I like the security it adds, but as a web developer... let's just say I sent it in as feedback ASAP.

 

[MarsViolet]

You can now have an option to show the full title bar in safari. Thank Apple for that eh, the first look was horrible imo?

Silly me. By "full title bar" I assumed that you meant "full title bar" rather than "full URL/web address." I was actually somewhat happy, because I disapprove of the way that Jony Ive has destroyed Safari's title bar and shoved the back/forward buttons up there to the right of the close, minimize, full screen buttons. Indeed, it is almost laughable the way those back/forward buttons now have to jump around the screen when switching into full screen mode (and when showing and hiding the menu bar while in full screen mode). You'd think that such a ridiculous workaround would have been enough to make Ive realize that he had made a design mistake, but no. He's apparently too stupid to realize how stupid he is.

Ive is a horrible UI designer. He has no idea what he's doing. He's a menace. That there isn't more outrage over the mess he's making of things only goes to show that the majority of today's Mac users are ex-Windows users who never had a good UI to begin with.

If you refer to the menu bar as a "task bar" I'm talking about you.

 

[phrozend]

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You'd think that such a ridiculous workaround would have been enough to make Ive realize that he had made a design mistake, but no. He's apparently too stupid to realize how stupid he is.

Ive is a horrible UI designer.He has no idea what he's doing. He's a menace. [...]

If you knew anything about UI design*, you would probably understand that it would be ridiculous to say something like that? If you really think Ive is sitting in an office by himself, going through each element one by one and "ruining" them, I'm afraid you're beyond help. He's the leader of a team. "Team", as in "multiple people". To say you disapprove of the design language and the general guidelines he's given his team, thats your right, but blaming ONE person is as ridiculous as saying "Jobs created the iPhone". It shows ignorance.

To your point about the title-bar. I actually think it makes alot of sense compacting the title-bar, for one major reason: You want as much vertical space as possible to show as much of the content, i.e website. That being said, I understand why it can be annoying to have everything so compacted, so maybe the smart solution would be to let the users decide for themselves how to display the title-bars.

*= and if you do, please share your credentials!

RE: "dancing back/forward-buttons" when moving into full-screen. I've moved my back/forward-buttons next to the adress-bar so they're always centered. I actually like it that way because it gives more room to the close/min-buttons. Maybe you would like that solution as well. Probably not.

 

[MarsViolet]

Ive’s got a bridge to sell you

If you knew anything about UI design, please share your credentials!

I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.

I have been using Macs since 1988. I’d wager that Jony Ive — who has final say on all OS X design decisions, and is therefore directly responsible for them — spent his youth either farting around on Windows, or not using computers at all. He comes across as an idiot savant. Brilliant but stupid.

Do you remember the G4 Cube? Ive designed that thing. He put the USB, FireWire, Ethernet, and ADC plugs on the bottom so that there was no way to plug anything in without tipping the Cube on its face and turning it 180°. Utterly asinine.

Ive is all about form over function. He makes iMacs so skinny that they overheat, he makes phones made of glass so that they shatter, and now he designs software so focused on economy of line and form that it damages its utility.

You defend Ive because you’re emotionally invested in Apple, and it hurts to have your beliefs threatened, but don’t blame me. Blame Ive for putting you in this position. He’s the one doing the damage.

 

[tkermit]

I have been using Macs since 1988. I’d wager that Jony Ive — who has final say on all OS X design decisions, and is therefore directly responsible for them — spent his youth either farting around on Windows, or not using computers at all. He comes across as an idiot savant. Brilliant but stupid.

fwiw: Jonathan Ive interview: Apple's design genius is British to the core

It was while he was at university that Ive first encountered an Apple Mac. Having considered himself to be technically inept, he was amazed to find a computer that he could use. “I suddenly realised that it wasn’t me at all. The computers that I had been expected to use were absolutely dreadful.”

 

[ErikGrim]

iTunes will now show a List view of the music library again. This was missing in the previous betas (at least in PB1).

iTunes didn’t change in DP5. It’s a separate download.

Still buggy as hell as in it won’t remember my views or show currently played song (Cmd-L) in the playlist/position it started playing from.

 

[phrozend]

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Ive is all about form over function. He makes iMacs so skinny that they overheat, he makes phones made of glass so that they shatter, and now he designs software so focused on economy of line and form that it damages its utility.

You defend Ive because you’re emotionally invested in Apple, and it hurts to have your beliefs threatened, but don’t blame me. Blame Ive for putting you in this position. He’s the one doing the damage.

And I actually thought you were up for a serious discussion. I feel stupid now for not having my troll-alert go off when I read your previous post. This is as much attention as I'll give you. Goodbye.

 

[xmichaelp]

Silly me. By "full title bar" I assumed that you meant "full title bar" rather than "full URL/web address." I was actually somewhat happy, because I disapprove of the way that Jony Ive has destroyed Safari's title bar and shoved the back/forward buttons up there to the right of the close, minimize, full screen buttons. Indeed, it is almost laughable the way those back/forward buttons now have to jump around the screen when switching into full screen mode (and when showing and hiding the menu bar while in full screen mode). You'd think that such a ridiculous workaround would have been enough to make Ive realize that he had made a design mistake, but no. He's apparently too stupid to realize how stupid he is.

Ive is a horrible UI designer. He has no idea what he's doing. He's a menace. That there isn't more outrage over the mess he's making of things only goes to show that the majority of today's Mac users are ex-Windows users who never had a good UI to begin with.

If you refer to the menu bar as a "task bar" I'm talking about you.

Go to the other thread specifically for whining.

99 percent of changes Ive's made have been for the better, get over it or just never update your OS ever again.

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I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.

I have been using Macs since 1988. I’d wager that Jony Ive — who has final say on all OS X design decisions, and is therefore directly responsible for them — spent his youth either farting around on Windows, or not using computers at all. He comes across as an idiot savant. Brilliant but stupid.

Do you remember the G4 Cube? Ive designed that thing. He put the USB, FireWire, Ethernet, and ADC plugs on the bottom so that there was no way to plug anything in without tipping the Cube on its face and turning it 180°. Utterly asinine.

Ive is all about form over function. He makes iMacs so skinny that they overheat, he makes phones made of glass so that they shatter, and now he designs software so focused on economy of line and form that it damages its utility.

You defend Ive because you’re emotionally invested in Apple, and it hurts to have your beliefs threatened, but don’t blame me. Blame Ive for putting you in this position. He’s the one doing the damage.

Overheating iMacs? The new iMacs run far cooler than before. Shattering iPhone's? Oh, I didn't realize the glass on other phones was indestructible.

Obviously you don't appreciate nice design. Why are you an Apple user again? Linux is waiting for you.

 

[AZhappyjack]

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[MarsViolet]

fwiw: Jonathan Ive interview: Apple's design genius is British to the core

How ironic. Many of Ive's design decisions contradict the Human Interface Guidelines which made the original Mac OS so approachable. Now we have hidden scroll bars, system fonts with poor legibility, inexplicably translucent windows, UI elements which spontaneously change position and vanish without warning, and numerous other bastardizations.

Pretty disappointing.

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Or, since he’s a genius UI designer, he could just go create his own OS.

It’s really annoying to see all the whiners complaining about the state of OSX Yosemite. It’s a damn beta, and it’s still evolving. I like where it's headed, and welcome the change. And yeah, I liked iOS 7 from the get-go, as well.

Have any of you adolescents used any version of the Mac OS pre-Tiger?

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I feel stupid now.

That sounds about right.

 

[0000111]

Hey all, think I may have found a couple new features, though I'd love to learn that I was wrong as well:

Notification badges are now slightly transparent.

Safari > File > Export as PDF is now a handy option instead of printing and saving as a PDF. (or, I've been subjecting myself to the print preview screen for no good reason for many years lol)

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Also, is Yosemite Beta 5 only available to Developers? (I ask because I'd be quite jealous, since I'm sitting with the less-cool public preview crowd ;D)

 

[VirtualRain]

How ironic. Many of Ive's design decisions contradict the Human Interface Guidelines which made the original Mac OS so approachable. Now we have hidden scroll bars, system fonts with poor legibility, inexplicably translucent windows, UI elements which spontaneously change position and vanish without warning, and numerous other bastardizations.

I'm afraid I really can't sympathize with you.

At least a few of your examples are relics of the past when most people didn't know how computers and GUIs worked and touch or retina displays didn't exist. Scroll bars were needed to educate people that there was more content than displayed in a window. My 5-year old niece doesn't need them to know that any more, neither should you. For the same reasons we don't need buttons or underlined hyperlinks anymore either. We also have retina screens now that make even the tiniest unkempt font crystal clear on a 4" screen.

If you're seeing bugs, report them, but complaining that chrome is getting out of the way of enjoying content or calling it a bastardization to add a sense of depth using translucency instead of excessive artificial 3D effects... Well... it just makes you sound old school. (You said earlier that you've been using Macs since 1988... I think that's obvious to everyone... I think your problem is that you're stuck in 1988!)

 

[MarsViolet]

I'm afraid I really can't sympathize with you.

Of course not. Gross brainwashed Apple apologists never sympathize. When Apple eliminates the OS X file system, you will gleefully declare file systems to be "old school," and your niece, who doesn't have any work to do, will go on playing Angry Birds unimpeded.

 

[jdechko]

Well... it just makes you sound old school. (You said earlier that you've been using Macs since 1988... I think that's obvious to everyone... I think your problem is that you're stuck in 1988!)

28 years, 4 major technology shifts (just for the Mac alone), a completely new computing paradigm, and a few messed up pixels rustles his jimmies? Hate to imagine what he went through during the transition to OS X.

If the issue is a glitch, then trust that it will get fixed.

 

[BillBernbach93]

Backup!

Hi everyone. It's the first time I post in MacRumors' Forum even if I watched it before as a Holy Bible for my Mac's problems. Now I need a help.
I installed the public beta (with its uncountable problems. But it's a beta, I knew it before) and everything worked ok, but I found a problem that could be terrible: Yosemite doesn't backup anything.

It stuck in "preparing backup" and stay there for a looooooooong time without making the backup. My last backup is the one before I installed Yosemite (with Mavericks) but I worked a lot since this date.

Please, tell me it's not just my problem D:

Thank you very much!

p.s. sorry for my english mistakes. I'm not english native speaker, but I'm studying to improve it.

 

[matrix07]

Now we have hidden scroll bars,

Hidden scroll bars first appear in Lion. Inspired by Forstall's iOS. Has nothing to do with Ive at all.

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Safari > File > Export as PDF is now a handy option instead of printing and saving as a PDF. (or, I've been subjecting myself to the print preview screen for no good reason for many years lol)

I have it on Mavericks.

 

[TheralSadurns]

I have to agree wirh you generally.

Feature-wise OS X is better than ever.
UI-wise things may have become prettier (taste may vary...), but also more complicated. Unnecessarily so I max add.
While I really don't needs roll bars to be visible at all times I see your point.
Yosemite is somewhat saved by SysPrefs → Accessibility → increase contrast.

W/o that it IS a usability mess...

I encouraged it. I was an early adopter. I championed OS X for years as I foolishly hoped that its shortcomings and mistakes would be ironed out over time, but they weren't.

I still own my first Mac, and I still have a working NeXT Cube. But OS X, while technologically superior to the classic Mac OS, spoiled the best aspects of the NeXT and the Mac by fusing them together ineptly. Control freaks with bad ideas took two brilliant, refined user interfaces and spent the last decade or so arbitrarily mangling them for the worse.

Yosemite is like some weird, cartoon impostor of a real operating system championed by children.

 

[orioncrystalice]

Maybe this has been addressed, but 67 pages. I really really like iTunes 12 for the most part, I've noticed some bugs got fixed. However on my public beta, you can only manually add or change album artwork via drag and drop once "Get Info" opens that menu up. I can't double click the box and bring up Finder like before, which puzzles me since it's the obvious faster way. You want to just have it pop up, choose your file, and close, instead of opening a new Finder window or tab somewhere else and then drag & drop. Does a double click work for anyone else or did they decide that the drag method is somehow easier so far?

 

[ellsworth]

These are here to stay – they switched to dots in Mavericks with the introduction of tagging.

The reason is that a file can now be tagged with multiple tags/colors, so they need a way to show that in the UI. See screenshot.

Yes, this is the rinky-dink highlight dots I'm uproar'ing about. Visually, these dots are very hard to see versus having the entire name highlighted. If you check the Apple Help forums, you'll see that a large percentage of people dislike this feature.

Yes, my suggestion email has been sent to APPLE already.

 

[DaJoNel]

For everyone who hates Yosemite, I have a perfect solution for you. Don't upgrade and don't complain. This is the new interface, so accept it or keep the version you have. It's hard to believe that some of you are arguing because some people just don't like Apple the way others think they should. It doesn't matter how long or how short we've been using OS X. We're here to appreciate the progress and submit constructive feedback directly to Apple whenever appropriate. Remember the title of this thread? You're posting about little things. Treat them as such.