I was actually replying to avatar1349; didn't quote because there wasn't a reply between the two posts when I was replying.
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I was actually replying to avatar1349; didn't quote because there wasn't a reply between the two posts when I was replying.
h9826790 said: [URL='https://forums.macrumors.com/goto/post?id=27288400#post-27288400' said:
Thanks for the input. tried as "a matter of some sort of test" , without the Samsung Evo 500 GB SSD, the Samsung EVO Plus NVMe SSD on write and read speed and did get exactly what you said it would be, so I dismissed considering bying another controller.
Thanks again h9826790
After updating the firmware on the 970EVO Plus there was a significant improvement and is able to be used as a boot device. Obviously its restricted by the PCIe 2.0 slot, but never the less .... much ... much better!!
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Thank you so much for your reply!
Can I ask - is it okay to apply the two firmware updates without updating my OS?
So simply put my GT120 in the computer, download the HS installer, do the firmware install but don't install HS. Then do the same with the Mojave installer?
I don't have a Mojave compatible GFX card (or an airport card, which I think is necessary for HS?) at the moment.
Thank you!
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Ok to upgrade to MP51.0089.B00.
Without a Metal card you can't upgrade to 1xx.0.0.0.0 firmwares. AirPort is not checked for macOS or firmware upgrades.
Read the first post MP5,1: What you have to do to upgrade to Mojave.
Okay, thanks. It doesn't seem like there's much point for me to do that (I want 138.0.0.0.0 so that Slot-2 works at 5GT/s), so I guess I'll have to wait until I get a Metal card. Running a PC 1GB 5770 currently (I do audio/music).
I haven't had much need to upgrade OS and GFX card, but I this is a good reason to.
Thanks again,
Ed
I haven't had much need to upgrade OS and GFX card, but I this is a good reason to.
Thanks again,
Ed
If you are doing a lot of transforms and calculations on your audio and your software is written to take advantage of the GPU, and you're running a Metal GPU, you will see a big difference in the 5.0 GT/sec vs. the default 2.5 GT/sec. In my case, while running BOINC calculations, a standard GPU work unit used to take 2-3 hours to process; with the new BootROMs, a GPU work unit now takes 36 MINUTES. Not guaranteeing that you'll see the same amount of improvement, but I believe you will see something.
Logic X is my main app and only uses the GPU for gui stuff.
Still, I really would love the faster pcie slots and faster read/write options, and my PC 1GB 5770 is so old I look forward to grabbing an RX 580 8gb (I’ll eventually get a 4 or 5K screen and have a large 4K FCPX that I’ll be tackling this year) and generally enjoying Mojave and continued Logic X updates!
Still, I really would love the faster pcie slots and faster read/write options, and my PC 1GB 5770 is so old I look forward to grabbing an RX 580 8gb (I’ll eventually get a 4 or 5K screen and have a large 4K FCPX that I’ll be tackling this year) and generally enjoying Mojave and continued Logic X updates!
Does anyone know if the HP EX900 works as a boot drive? They are really cheap on Newegg right now.
Hi guys,
Just had the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 250GB installed in my system and it crashes every time I try to install Mojave on it, from USB as single storage device or on desktop from second sata-II ssd. Threw in a 970 PRO 512GB and it worked perfect!
Just had the Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 250GB installed in my system and it crashes every time I try to install Mojave on it, from USB as single storage device or on desktop from second sata-II ssd. Threw in a 970 PRO 512GB and it worked perfect!
I'm getting ready to buy two of those addlink NVMe in 2TB. Will be setting that up in RAID 0 array as a project drive. If I like them, I may get a smaller one for OS too. Probably going to be selling a few slightly used SM951 AHCI after get the NVMe up and running. Thanks for sharing your results.
What's the lowest price PCIe NVMe adapter that has a switch chip to recognize x16 slot in Mac Pro?
16x only two work with Mac Pros, Amfeltec Squid 2.0 and HighPoint SSD7101-A/SSD7102
Read more here: Blade SSDs - NVMe & AHCI
Your previous post has been incredibly helpful for me. I see the Phison E12 controller/Toshiba 3D NAND combo is quite popular and performs great. I noticed that the specs of a lot of these seem to have a higher TBW rating than the 970 Pro when comparing equivalent capacities. That confuses me because it's my understanding that the 970 Pro is MLC and the rest are TLC so I would think that the MLC would be more durable. Am I missing something?
Phison E12's firmware has supposedly optimized write strategies that further enhance TBW figure, but to be honest unless you are downloading the same set of Linux CDs over and over continuously for years and years, the rest of your machine will likely need replacing before your newer generation SSD does.
That appears to apply to all the other newer controllers like the SM2262 as well.
That appears to apply to all the other newer controllers like the SM2262 as well.
This affirmation is a little problematic, did you ever checked the endurance of the new QLC NAND blades?
For example, Intel 660P 512GB model has 100TB write endurance. My less than 6 month old 970 PRO 512GB already have 12TB writes and I don't use it so hardly, since I have a RAID array of SM951-AHCI for my data.
I already damaged a MLC SSD before, a SanDisk Extreme Pro 240GB that I used for a Fusion drive. A QLC SSD will be so much easier to damage the constantly used cells.
Sorry, I was only thinking about these Phison E12s being paired with the Toshiba TLC 3D NAND.
Didn't stop to think about people trying to clean out their QLC NAND, which probably explains why prices on 1 TB and 2 TB 660p's based on QLC are so low.
400 TBW for a 2 TB SSD sounds bleah to me, although my work laptop has several VMs and I update it daily as well as doing gigs of downloads from iTunes et. al. and updating Homebrew, over two years I haven't even cracked 6 TB of writes. But different strokes..
but I'll say yeah don't worry too much about your TLC NAND based SSDs suddenly blowing out like a knockoff no-name tire.. you will have to worry about a MLC/QLC based SSD more though
Didn't stop to think about people trying to clean out their QLC NAND, which probably explains why prices on 1 TB and 2 TB 660p's based on QLC are so low.
400 TBW for a 2 TB SSD sounds bleah to me, although my work laptop has several VMs and I update it daily as well as doing gigs of downloads from iTunes et. al. and updating Homebrew, over two years I haven't even cracked 6 TB of writes. But different strokes..
but I'll say yeah don't worry too much about your TLC NAND based SSDs suddenly blowing out like a knockoff no-name tire.. you will have to worry about a MLC/QLC based SSD more though
For my usage, I'd never use a QLC for my main drive. I'd probably use for a stand-by clone or for archival purposes. Since everyone has a different usage, for some SLC/MLC/TLC/QLC don't makes any difference, but for some it's crucial.
Apple still uses SLC for the Fusion drives and Intel uses SLC for cache on the new blades.
Yeah, I totally agree about QLC for boot/main.. but the price keeps going down constantly so it's probably not a bad idea to use for backup.
BTW, Newegg Flash has the Intel 2 TB 660p for only $185 shipped with a discount code:
https://slickdeals.net/coupons/the-mayo-clinic-diet/
At that price, I'll probably also source out a Thunderbolt/USB 3 NVMe enclosure and use that to make bootable backup clones..
BTW, Newegg Flash has the Intel 2 TB 660p for only $185 shipped with a discount code:
https://slickdeals.net/coupons/the-mayo-clinic-diet/
At that price, I'll probably also source out a Thunderbolt/USB 3 NVMe enclosure and use that to make bootable backup clones..
When looking at two nearly identical current NVMe blades such as the MyDigitalSSD BPX Pro and Addlink S70 both using Phison E12 controller and Toshiba TLC 3D vertical NAND:
The only real differences I spotted besides maybe the firmware driving the controller is the fact that the BPX Pro uses overprovisioning by default. I've read in some cases that could increase endurance as well as performance. Could this essentially be done on the S70 by simply partitioning the blade with unused space, or is that not really the same thing as one that comes overprovisioned?
The only real differences I spotted besides maybe the firmware driving the controller is the fact that the BPX Pro uses overprovisioning by default. I've read in some cases that could increase endurance as well as performance. Could this essentially be done on the S70 by simply partitioning the blade with unused space, or is that not really the same thing as one that comes overprovisioned?
SSD prices predicted to fall below 10 cents a Gigabyte by the end of the year. In addition, the drop in NVMe prices will finally begin to drive the prices of SATA SSD's down further. One step closer to the inevitable obsolescence of mechanical hard drives and eventually the end of SATA as well.
Actually, the article I was reading specifically stated the process of eventually phasing out the lower capacities ultimately making 512GB the new entry level standard. I wouldn't be surprised if most 128GB and 256GB models hit an all time low price within a year.Are you seriously saying you could get a 256gb ssd for $25 by the end of the year.....................
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