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16GB in this machine is fine. I've said a lot, heavy workloads and my RAM pressure is super low. The speed is incredible. No need for more ram for years to come.

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It needs RAM. Lots of it for multiple VM's.
 
There is so much wrong with what Phil said. MacBook Pro is for professionals. Or at least it used to be. Professionals will put up with extra weight, shorter battery life and higher prices. They already lug a ton of stuff around. A MacBook Pro twice as heavy is tolerable if it delivers performance - ALWAYS. Shorter battery life is not ideal, but again, it is tolerable because you can buy extra chargers and batteries if needed. This is a machine for pro use. What won't pros put up with? A less capable machine when it comes to speed/power, memory and connectivity and graphics. Now, I don't believe the port/dongle situation is all that bad. You do get the amazing throughput even if you need dongles (although they pooched that one as well with only one side having high speed ports). I've heard good things about the display, but not sure if the video card is as high end as it could be. But Apple failed to deliver the speed and memory needed by Pros. They have lost touch with this market. These current machines are proof of that. So all the excuses in the world aren't going to make things better. You know what will? Deliver a MacBook Pro for pros. That means ultimate speed/power, memory (32GB at a minimum) even if it means it will be a half inch thicker and heavier.

Apple has never been the highest performance machine for pro use. There's no reason for them to change now when their machines have been adequate for such use for the past 15 years.
 
of course you could make the battery serviceable ....

Ha ha ha. We all know that ain't ever happening. The most we can hope for is that the battery is made serviceable by Apple or a professional.

Very true, but how many people are really unwilling to take a charger for a weekender?

Depends on your use case. If I'm not expecting to do much work over the weekend, I will just bring a lightning charger for my iPad and my iPhone and a USB charger for my other stuff. As someone who uses PCs and Android devices, Apples standby is an important advantage. I can leave my Apple stuff unplugged and comfortably know I will return to the device and it will have a nice charge. PCs and Android devices just die on their own (or at least they used to). If I'm using a PC laptop I have to bring the charger since Windows just doesn't put the machines to sleep as well.

Apple doesn't have this issue and this is nice if you rotate between a half dozen or so devices depending on your work or needs at the time.
 
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Yes, I did hear this from a few colleagues.

Also, to all the clamshell guys... a lot in here say they always use clamshell mode. Why did you not purchase a desktop?
 
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I am so glad you armchair QBs don't work for Apple!

What an odd thing to say. QB's don't design products. Engineers do. And they do it armchairs. At least the good ones get arm rests, though I'm sure Apples Engineers gave it 110%.
 
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I never doubted it for a second.. they didn't not put 32GB just to piss off the elitists who think they need it. Maybe some other design changes could have helped but lets be honest... the 'omg they have made it thicker' camp would have been far more vocal than 'omg they have made it thinner' camp.

Apple couldn't win either way, people would have complained whatever the size and weight.
 
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So, is he saying that for the next few years the MBP will not support 32GB of RAM? It's not that battery technology is moving forward that fast, and I don't see apple making a thicker laptop.

Hardware is continuously getting smaller. I'm sure 32 will be an option in a year.
 
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TWe care about the constant 'Out of memory' dialogues and having an actual GPU so that rendering isn't done at two frames per minutes. Sadly, if you want to work, you have to go to a Windows machine.
Curious, how is your Razer Blade? I am still undecided between a XPS and the Razer. How loud does it get?
 
What is happening here is the techs and designers are going to Tim for approval being all cutesy and explaining why this that and the other works best and Tim is simply saying "Fabulous! Do it!" where as Steve would of said no effing way, you make 32gig work in this machine or you don't make it at all.

Tim is a yes man to his underlings, you can tell by his character, presentation, poise and personality that he caves to their suggestions instead of telling them no.
 
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I don't want a thicker rMBP. I would prefer that it get even thinner and lighter, so that traveling with it is easier. I think there is a group, possibly a large group, of people who use rMBP's that rarely, if ever, use them on battery power.

Maybe Apple should produce a version with significantly less battery in it, maybe enough for 4 hours of use, then take the space and add in desktop class CPU / GPU? Since so many people use laptops as desktops nowadays, with just the occasional off-plug use, Apple could offer Mac-Pro-like power in a laptop.

And given the move to the USB-C ports, those that need more battery power can easily use an external battery, making less need for huge on-board batteries.
You just described your need as the Macbook Air
 
Curious, how is your Razer Blade? I am still undecided between a XPS and the Razer. How loud does it get?

It's everything that I wanted from the MBP save for macOS and TouchID, neither of which are dealbreakers obviously. The fans are noticeable under heavy load but definitely not so loud that it's off-putting. If you need a true workstation class machine, you'll be hard-pressed to find better.
 
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Have used a loaded 15"? Strange, because I finished a few ~20min 4K videos since I got it.

4K launched in 2003, so that sounds about right. But no one is questioning the ability of the PPC that could. I think the point they are trying to make is that a MacBook Pro purchased today should handle software for at least the next six years. The 2010 MacBook Pro can barely run the newest version of Photoshop, and yet you seem to be suggesting that 16 GB of ram will run the version of PhotoShop that is released in 2023. I know you can't predict the demands of unwritten software, but we can evaluate the trends. The trends suggest that line of thinking is bunk.
 
Or just make the damn thing a bit thicker?
Thickness has never been an issue with my current MBP. It operates on my desk with the top down 90% of the time, and the times I do need it for the road, an extra pound wouldn't kill me.

This is why you are not the target audience. Most people use their laptop 90% on the go. Thinner, lighter, excellent battery life are very important to me. When you travel around the world every pound counts.
 
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