Does torque not mean anything to you?
Plus, it makes the 300 lb of torque at 1400 RPM.
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Plus, it makes the 300 lb of torque at 1400 RPM.
I'm sorry but you can't compare Nissan to BMW... worlds apart for so many reasons.
Having said this, i have never driven or even seen a 370Z, but i have driven both the 335 and 135 and whats been said re torque figures speaks in leaps and bounds. Effortless is the word that describes how the 35 engine performs and the quality of the ride is amazing.
335i Touring will be my next car.
Having said this, i have never driven or even seen a 370Z, but i have driven both the 335 and 135 and whats been said re torque figures speaks in leaps and bounds. Effortless is the word that describes how the 35 engine performs and the quality of the ride is amazing.
335i Touring will be my next car.
Here are some more pics for the guy that wanted some. Most of them are artsy pics my friend did.
For you, yes, I get it. But, more on this later...
Maybe you should have traded the 335i in for a 335d, if torque is so important. I mean, it has a crushing 425lb/ft, just dwarfing your 300lb/ft.
Not in my book. If I spend $35k (or more as you've stated) for a car, I would expect that in 2009 it would come standard with a good deal more than it does. But, as I said before, that is how it works with BMW (and Apple, per your example). Sell it with less than it should be appointed with at the price, and people have to spend more to get the stuff they want.
It works in car just as it does with computers, Apple a prime example of this. Want an illuminated keyboard in your MacBook? Oh, sorry. You need to upgrade to the higher model for that. Want a 3.0ghz processor in your iMac? Sure, just get the 24" model, not the 20" version. Want power operated leather seats in your $36k BMW? Sorry, optional. Want to heat those seats, or make a hands-free Bluetooth call? Yep, also optional.
The car (or computer) can be put together better than anything on the planet. But, if the things being put together aren't worth it, whats the point? Give a great chef a bunch of crap ingredients, and you'll get a very well prepared, finely crafted meal of crap.
I guess that is where we differ. If I'm spending, as you've now said is well OVER $40k, even before mods, I have more wants from a car. But hey, that is just my opinion. You say why not. I say why?
If all you want is performance, sure. But, that isn't his original argument. He made the statement that FWD is crap, end of story. And look, I agree, sort of. In a performance car, it is beneficial to have RWD. But, you can't put that on EVERY car. The Mini, along with a host of other cars, use FWD because it is efficient, in both packaging and cost. Not every car can be a super-focused, driver-oriented machine. Some cars just need to be cheap, some just fun, or as is the case with a few cars, a little of BOTH.
And for that, FWD fits the bill just great. But hey, you let me know of a new RWD car around $22k that will do everything as well as a Civic Si, Cooper S, or Sentra SE-R, and I'll gladly change my stance on this issue.
Hey, looks like you'd enjoy a 335d too. I mean, it makes all 425 of its lb/ft at only 1750rpm.Plus, it makes the 300 lb of torque at 1400 RPM.
Yes, and most of those "reasons" have the face of a dead president on them. All MULTIPLE thousands of them. But, I'm sorry, I cut you off. What is your opinion on this matter...??
In the classic words of Jeremy Clarkson...
"Oh dear"
True, but diesels take longer to rev up hence why the 335d is a good .9 seconds slower then the 335i.
I never said torque was everything. you just seemed to have disregarded it completely.
I never said torque was everything. you just seemed to have disregarded it completely.
He's just trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
But, just think of the MASSIVE pull it would have. That has to be worth it, right?
I agree. Torque is more important than pure horsepower in a car. But again, its not like the Z has 150lb/ft. We're still talking about a ~3200lb car with more than 270lb/ft.I never said torque was everything. you just seemed to have disregarded it completely.
So, I'm "trolling" now? We were merely discussing what each of us consider valuable and needed in a car. I, personally, don't think the 1-series is worth the price BMW asks for them. That is all. I'm fine with him having one. It is his $$$, and it seems he really enjoys the car. And, I'm also fine with Quagmire saying FWD makes for a POS drivetrain on a car. Again, I disagree completely, but that is his opinion, and I respect that.He's just trolling. Don't feed the trolls.
Please, don't call me a troll. I never called anyone names, or anything mean. Just posed some things for people to TALK about on a MESSAGE board.
Yeah you're probably right, what do the guys at Edmunds know anyway!
Trust me, edmunds, Motortrend, C&D, etc can put together weird car comparos. C&D did a CTS, C300, 328i, and G35 comparo back in 2007. The G35 being the best in practically every objective test. Even cost the same as the 328i. You would expect the G35 to win then right? Nope, the slower 328i was first with the G35 second, CTS third and C300 fourth. You would think they would compare it to the 335i and detract points for the price.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...sport_2008_infiniti_g35_sport_comparison_test
Totally. And really, if you think that in today's day and age, that you're going to get a REAL honest answer from a magazine, or any type of publication that is funded by ad revenue, you're poorly mistaken.
I mean, every year they give "XXXXX of the Year" to something, when in many cases it is the only vehicle in its class to be brand new. But, sure enough, shortly after that, you will see an ad proclaiming the new 2010 Blabity Blah to be the "best in its class" for whatever.
It's all just crap. I just read car magazines to get an overall view of a car, and to read about specs and things like that. If I want to know which car I prefer, I'll go drive them myself, and make my own decision.
Here is my G35 and my buddies G37. We both have different wheels now. But I don't haven't taken any really nice pictures with the new ones.
new wheels
new wheels
So, I'm "trolling" now? We were merely discussing what each of us consider valuable and needed in a car. I, personally, don't think the 1-series is worth the price BMW asks for them. That is all. I'm fine with him having one. It is his $$$, and it seems he really enjoys the car. And, I'm also fine with Quagmire saying FWD makes for a POS drivetrain on a car. Again, I disagree completely, but that is his opinion, and I respect that.
Please, don't call me a troll. I never called anyone names, or anything mean. Just posed some things for people to TALK about on a MESSAGE board.
It's hard not to think this when you take every little thing he says and turn it around. It was almost like you were trying to make the guy feel bad about his purchase. He's obviously happy with it. No need to go on and on about how much "better" this nissan car is from a whole different continent that doesn't even begin to compare with the kraut-machine. He said he test drove it, and didn't like it. That was the end of the story.
That being said, I'd pay for German excellence over an Asian car any day.
So, my opinion doesn't matter? Because I happen to have a different opinion than him, I have to keep quiet? And, so what if I think the Z is "better" than the BMW. Better is a personal and relative word, and that is for him to decide, which he already has. But, I do have a preference, which differs from him.
But, now I see. I've made you mad because I have somehow dissed your precious BMW brand. Is that it? Because I prefer one comparable car over the BMW, now my opinion doesn't matter, because really, how could anything compare to a BMW?? Really, WHAT was I thinking???
I mean, it couldn't POSSIBLY be the fact that with all the years of BMW ownership in my life I have a different opinion of the brand and their cars. NO, you like them, so anything I say is that isn't praise is just "trolling", as you put it. Glad we've cleared that up.
OOOOOH, nice HREs. There is just something about their wheels that get me. They have just the right amount of class, sport and tech, in my opinion. Nice choice.
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OH, and apparently I'm supposed to "troll" you some now. So, uh, hmmm. OH, here we go...
WHY DIDN'T YOU GET Volks?? DER, everyone knows Volks are Teh $hiz dood. Get a clue!
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J/K They look great.You people arguing about BMW and Nissan drop it this forum is to show off your car not critique others choice in cars. Both Nissan and BMW make amazing cars I prefer Nissan if you haven't noticed some people prefer BMW some people think your a dipsh-t if you don't buy "American". But wow does everybody need to argue about it.
P.S. Sorry about the spelling I suck at typing on my iPhone.
P.S. Sorry about the spelling I suck at typing on my iPhone.
Hey, you could get a couple pics of the interior of your GTR with that iPhone, right?
Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i, Mazda RX-8 R3, and Pontiac Solstice GXP
Those Car and Driver guys are probably biased like the Edmunds guys.
Those Car and Driver guys are probably biased like the Edmunds guys.
Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i, Mazda RX-8 R3, and Pontiac Solstice GXP
Those Car and Driver guys are probably biased like the Edmunds guys.
Yep, compare roadsters to coupes. Great job C&D.
Will you guys give it a freaking rest! So what if you like Nissan or BMW. If one person states his valid reasons why he didn't buy the Z over the 135i or vice versa, don't rip him/her apart! Yes, you can have an opinion, but to criticize another persons preference( like with me hating FWD with a near passion) is plain stupid and will make you look like a troll for wanting to see a response back.
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