Well i guess by old i meant late 80's-90's but i guess with the Mercedes quality back then, those will never get old!
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Well i guess by old i meant late 80's-90's but i guess with the Mercedes quality back then, those will never get old!
Why would you want an SUV for the 3rd row anyway? Ever try getting out of that 3rd row? lol.
I agree totally with that dude on the Lexus vs BMW bit, it's almost never about the badge on the hood but the driver in the car.
That, and sometimes a bad brand makes a great car (and a great brand makes a terrible car).
I agree totally with that dude on the Lexus vs BMW bit, it's almost never about the badge on the hood but the driver in the car.
That, and sometimes a bad brand makes a great car (and a great brand makes a terrible car).
Thanks! Sorry about that long rant, but that attitude toward cars will get the average consumer nowhere. I'd hate for someone to pass up a great car like a GS460 because of stereotypes. Also, I don't think there is a third row in an RX. If you're going to be chauffering around people, I think the RX would be too small anyways! I've never really been a big supporter of mid size SUV's anyways, I've been a station wagon kind of guy
! But I'm 100% with you on the new car vs used car thing for 30K. A used X5 would pale in comparison to the interiors of some newer crossovers from that price range. The technology that made the interior of the X5 so nice back then would have trickled down market by now!. Not to mention you can get the new Hyundai Genesis Coupe (which is amazing) for around that price
.Haha, what's even more confusing than the third row, is the lack of one in some cases. I have a large SUV but it only has two rows. My friends always give me crap about it, to be honest I don't really understand it either.
And I chuckle to myself when I see people argue about specs and LSD vs locking diffs and then never use any of it. It's the drivers make cars fun. I could have fun driving a Yaris if you gave me the chance... I think
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This Honda Pilot I drive around a ton is perfect for me and my friends. We use the third row every time we all want to go somewhere and only use 1 car. None of them have complained of it yet.
Really is not bad at all.
I know Lexus is a division of Toyota's and I know a lot of them share the same platform as Toyota's( a few are straight out rebadges).
The IS-F is certainly seems to be a pretty decent handling vehicle. But, it looks is still something to be worked on. They took the already boring to look at IS and riced the vehicle out. I mean, come on fake quad tailpipes( only two are functional).
Yeah, Toyota used to make fun and good looking vehicles. Key word: used to. The IS-F is a decent handler, but that is one vehicle out of an ocean filled with boring as hell vehicles. There is also the new LF-A, but it is a complete ripoff. All you're getting for its price tag is the technology that went into it. I would much rather get a Z06, GT-R, or ZR1. And again, it's just one vehicle in an ocean filled with boring as hell vanilla vehicles. Lexus is the new Buick.
Could I have fun in an ES/IS/GS? Sure probably since I am not pushing my vehicles to the limits( since I don't track my vehicles). But, I sure know I can have more fun in my dads E90 335xi. It's all about the company's mission statement. BMW is about the driving experience. And going back and forth between my Saturn Aura( and I can have fun in that car) and the 335xi, and the BMW experience is a whole lot better. Lexus's mission statement is luxury, technology, and comfort. And I get that experience having driven the ES350.
For me it is simple. The E92 is a whole lot better looking then the IS350. It is way more aggressive and mean looking. But, you're right looks are subjectives. *
* doesn't mean I can't say Americans taste in vehicles is questionable today( though not surprising. There has been a huge shift in America's car culture. People will accept boring/borderline ugly for the vehicles reliability and quality).
I will give you that. Off roading can be fun. But, when it is normally said Toyota's are boring, it is generally meant towards their looks and performance.
What shift? Lexus is still catering to the luxury, technology, and comfort market. That is all I see from their marketing on TV, etc. And 99% of their cars reflect that( IS-F and LF-A excluded).
Maybe it's because all of my friends are in their 20s, but when a big group of us goes out there's usually at least 2-3 cars because a lot of us are car guys and enjoy driving too much.
I didn't say the IS-F wasn't a good performer. And I did give it credit for that. Plus, the part you quoted was me having issues with its styling. No race results can get rid of the fact that Lexus riced up the IS in looks( though it is missing a giant wing to complete the ricer trademark looks
). Another thing is the experience a car gives you. Does the IS-F give you a similar experience as the M3 does? Yeah its numbers may be competitive, but how does it interact with the driver? Which is another thing BMW has down pat. Take Pre-2008 C5-C6 Corvettes for example. Yeah, they are able to hang with the best sports cars the Germans and Italians had out there. But, the steering was vague as hell and that stick shift was a pain in the butt to shift gears( this is coming from a person who would buy a Corvette before any other sports car that is similar). The numbers may show that the M3 and IS-F may be close to each other in performance, but I bet the M3 interacts with the driver better then the IS-F does.
I didn't say the IS-F wasn't a good performer. And I did give it credit for that. Plus, the part you quoted was me having issues with its styling. No race results can get rid of the fact that Lexus riced up the IS in looks( though it is missing a giant wing to complete the ricer trademark looks
Another thing is the experience a car gives you. Does the IS-F give you a similar experience as the M3 does? Yeah its numbers may be competitive, but how does it interact with the driver? Which is another thing BMW has down pat. Take Pre-2008 C5-C6 Corvettes for example. Yeah, they are able to hang with the best sports cars the Germans and Italians had out there. But, the steering was vague as hell and that stick shift was a pain in the butt to shift gears( this is coming from a person who would buy a Corvette before any other sports car that is similar). The numbers may show that the M3 and IS-F may be close to each other in performance, but I bet the M3 interacts with the driver better then the IS-F does.
Having driven both my M3 and my buddies IS-F on the track back to back, I can say the experience I had in both was highly pleasurable. Gotta be honest though, they're not really comparable like you'd think. The M3 is like using a dentists drill to remove a tooth, and the IS-F is like hitting them in the head with a sledgehammer. If I had to pick which one was more fun, I wouldn't be able to chose. The steering is undeiably sharper in the M3, as is the suspension it's more of a "race" car. But- the IS-F's low revving, torquey engine was super fun to have infront of you, it would, and the 8 speed auto is as slick as snakecrap (although the M3 had a DCT which to me is unbeatable, that could be the fanboy in me coming out). The IS-F strikes me as more of a muscle car, with a much more playful, Jack Russell kind of attitude as opposed to the serious German Shepard BMW (those were terrible analogies I hope you understand, lol).
The IS-F also sounds like the scream of 1000 angry gods when give it the beans. Yamaha definitely hit the nail on the head with that engine. As for ricing it out, I implore you to take a look at it again and compare it to the M3. The M3 appears to be way more "riced" to my eye. The M3 has a carbon fibre roof (I know it serves a purpose), chrome trim and badges everywhere. This is all coming from a BMW fan. As I said before I've always had an M5 and M3 of the newest generation (my dad is a bit of a car nut...) available to me since I started driving so I love BMW's. But I've got to give credit where credit is due, Toyota's are awesome. From what I've seen from Lexus is that they have a lot to offer in both the driving experience category, and they've totally got BMW on the interior. If I may be controversial, I'm going to say on the exterior as well. The new 5 series and 7 series are just not my cup of tea. They need to go back to the lines of the E38 and E39. I've always dreamed of having one of these because it looks so great:
An aside, if any of you ever get to track an RS4, DO IT. One of my friends used to have an RS4, which was just the weirdest thing to drive around the track because you couldn't lose control, no matter how hard you tried. It was unreal. You could go into a 90 degree slide and with a bit of power the front wheels would pull you out. I've driven other AWD performance cars, but there was something very special about the RS4. Honestly, I don't know how my replies keep getting so long. I hate when people talk to much in real life, yet on here I can't shut up
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I just want to say in no way was I tying to dis on that car. I was just stating my opinion. They are still nice cars and they are fast. **** they would rape my Eclipse gs. Well anything would beat that it is totaled out lol.
I've seen SRT4s doing crazy times at the drags. They may look funny and sound awful, but there's no denying they can scoot down the track.In what sort of way?
Ohhh, straight lines. Nevermind then.
(I mean that in the most humorous way possible. Not trying to start a fight)
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