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Pixel 3/Pixel 3 XL

Michael Goff said:
You get faster updates on the Pixel at the cost of having more bugs. Is that what you’re saying to me right now?
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I think at this point, it’s a matter of pride for the Pixel team to stick at 4gb.
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Lol.
If that's how you're reading it then you can continue with that.
At this stage I've been pretty clear that I disagree with your comments about Samsung's software being better than Google's. That's all I am saying.

I'm not talking about device issues or problems that have arisen with the Pixel 3, I was clearly stating that problems aside, I prefer stock Android. I'm going off my experience with both and I don't have a Pixel 3 so can't comment on these problems that people are experiencing. But when I had my Pixel 2 which was great (hardware aside) and even OG Pixel, the software experience bested what I had on my S9, which stuttered in places straight out of the box.
 
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Aneres11 said:
Lol.
If that's how you're reading it then you can continue with that.
At this stage I've been pretty clear that I disagree with your comments about Samsung's software being better than Google's. That's all I am saying.

I'm not talking about device issues or problems that have arisen with the Pixel 3, I was clearly stating that problems aside, I prefer stock Android. I'm going off my experience with both and I don't have a Pixel 3 so can't comment on these problems that people are experiencing. But when I had my Pixel 2 which was great (hardware aside) and even OG Pixel, the software experience bested what I had on my S9, which stuttered in places straight out of the box.
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That’s what confuses me. 2XL had great software. 3 seems plagued with software problems.
 
Michael Goff said:
That’s what confuses me. 2XL had great software. 3 seems plagued with software problems.
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Well it's almost like it has switched.
I went through 2 (3?, cant remember) Pixel 2's due to overheating issues and bad hardware, but software was always spot on.
The number of issues encountered with these devices so early on is worrying.
 
Aneres11 said:
Well it's almost like it has switched.
I went through 2 (3?, cant remember) Pixel 2's due to overheating issues and bad hardware, but software was always spot on.
The number of issues encountered with these devices so early on is worrying.
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And that’s not even going into the fact that the Pixel 2 had some issues that showed up after a year in terms of performance. I hope this year isn’t the same way.
 
Michael Goff said:
And that’s not even going into the fact that the Pixel 2 had some issues that showed up after a year in terms of performance. I hope this year isn’t the same way.
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I didn't have mine long enough to experience that (typical me lol) but yeah that was a worry.
Combine it with the high price they're asking for the Pixel 3 and it results in a serious question over whether it's worth the risk.
 
My Pixel 3 was working great for four days and then the Sim card stopped working. I put the Sim card back in my iPhone and it worked fine. I called Google and they told me that it was a Verizon problem and not their hardware. I tried three other Sim cards from family members and the phone would not recognize any of them. It keeps telling me to install a Sim card. Needless to say, they will not send a replacement phone till I go to the Verizon store and have them put in a brand new Sim card.
Other than that the phone has been really good. The only shortcomings are a few apps that do not work with the new were version of android yet and also the way interacts with the Bluetooth radio in my pick up. My iPhone work perfectly with my radio in my truck but that android system does not work as seamless.
 
SapperMike said:
My Pixel 3 was working great for four days and then the Sim card stopped working. I put the Sim card back in my iPhone and it worked fine. I called Google and they told me that it was a Verizon problem and not their hardware. I tried three other Sim cards from family members and the phone would not recognize any of them. It keeps telling me to install a Sim card. Needless to say, they will not send a replacement phone till I go to the Verizon store and have them put in a brand new Sim card.
Other than that the phone has been really good. The only shortcomings are a few apps that do not work with the new were version of android yet and also the way interacts with the Bluetooth radio in my pick up. My iPhone work perfectly with my radio in my truck but that android system does not work as seamless.
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Did you try and reboot? My 2XL did this the other day and a reboot fixed it.
 
It's basically the same argument for iOS, that it "just works" and never falters or lags, etc. All this untrue, to the point where Apple devoted an entire year to addressing stability and bug fixes in iOS 12.

We're going through the same thing here. It's not that stock Android and new Pixels can't have bugs, it's just that we were promised this line isn't supposed to have anything as serious as RAM issues thanks to optimization or severe lag mid-cycle thanks to stock Android being super clean and lean.

It's turning out these things aren't always true either. And just like with Apple, the more honest we are about it, the better.

I'm glad reviews and websites are calling Google out on the RAM, the gestures, etc.
 
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I don’t even know what things are an issue with this smartphone, I use a phone to do the things I generally always do and haven’t come across anything making me raise any flags and having me looking to return it.

No fingerprint option has happened on other Pixel phones but very sporadically. Nothing helps. You just got to return it and get another. It is almost like it is in a mode whereby it is a display unit and they don’t want anyone locking people out of trying it because disrespectful people put theirs on it.
 
Anything software related with the Pixel I’m not too worried about. While they should’ve flushed more of these things out in internal testing, you have to remember that being on a Pixel is being on the bleeding edge of android. Being the first to get software updates comes with the downside of being beta testers to a degree.

If the multitasking issues end up being RAM related then that’s a giant problem. If it’s just a software issue, then the Pixel is probably going to be one of the best phones available. We’ll have to wait and see.
 
Awesomesince86 said:
Anything software related with the Pixel I’m not too worried about. While they should’ve flushed more of these things out in internal testing, you have to remember that being on a Pixel is being on the bleeding edge of android. Being the first to get software updates comes with the downside of being beta testers to a degree.

If the multitasking issues end up being RAM related then that’s a giant problem. If it’s just a software issue, then the Pixel is probably going to be one of the best phones available. We’ll have to wait and see.
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It was a RAM issue on the last Pixel phones.
 
Baldilocks said:
It was a RAM issue on the last Pixel phones.
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I'm not denying that it is. I fully believe that 4gb is not enough for a flagship device. I think Google is trying to hard to make the Pixel the iPhone equivalent. They want a pure experience that's on par with the iPhone and they want to show Apple that they their software is capable of being great on just 4 GB of RAM as well. Google needs to realize that the software and optimization is not on Apple's level yet and quit trying to force it. People choose Android for the customization and options. Be the best version of that instead of trying to beat Apple at a game they've perfected.
 
Well, google has said they are fixing the camera, and has said the mic while recording video is on purpose, but should be a software fix. They have not commented on the memory management issues.
 
Lobwedgephil said:
Well, google has said they are fixing the camera, and has said the mic while recording video is on purpose, but should be a software fix. They have not commented on the memory management issues.
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I think the memory management issues are hardware. Many apps and games are getting larger and larger and need more RAM to stay loaded. That's hard to do with 4GB of RAM with how Android handles background applications.
 
Baldilocks said:
I think the memory management issues are hardware. Many apps and games are getting larger and larger and need more RAM to stay loaded. That's hard to do with 4GB of RAM with how Android handles background applications.
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It is probably both, but you can put a pixel 2 next to the pixel 3 and the 2 will keep apps open, the 3 seems to be very aggressive with memory management. Could be ram, could be to save battery.
 
Awesomesince86 said:
I'm not denying that it is. I fully believe that 4gb is not enough for a flagship device. I think Google is trying to hard to make the Pixel the iPhone equivalent. They want a pure experience that's on par with the iPhone and they want to show Apple that they their software is capable of being great on just 4 GB of RAM as well. Google needs to realize that the software and optimization is not on Apple's level yet and quit trying to force it. People choose Android for the customization and options. Be the best version of that instead of trying to beat Apple at a game they've perfected.
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Also, it doesn't have to be that way. You can still prove your software chops by providing 6GB of RAM. Hardware paves the way for software gains. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Google is capable of doing both.
 
epicrayban said:
Also, it doesn't have to be that way. You can still prove your software chops by providing 6GB of RAM. Hardware paves the way for software gains. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Google is capable of doing both.
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I agree. But that’s the only justification I can think of for why they stuck with 4GB of RAM. I honestly don’t think it was a cost savings issue because its not that big of a cost add for them. It was more to prove they can make a smooth phone at the same level as Apple with the same limitations. But they don’t understand that Apple only uses 4GB of RAM because their software and chips only need that much to be best in class. Google isnt created their own chip and Android is more resource hungry in its current form. So provide the hardware that best fits the softwares needs. Especially when the cost add is insignificant and you’re charging flagship prices.
 
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Tig Bitties said:
Maybe Android Q will be Google's version of iOS12. Major bug fixes, and releasing their best stable OS in years, and hold off on the whizz bang cool new features.

iPhone fans were going through this same BS last year, with the buggy iOS11.
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But first Google has to admit to themselves that there’s a problem and I’m not sure they’re willing to do that.
 
Michael Goff said:
But first Google has to admit to themselves that there’s a problem and I’m not sure they’re willing to do that.
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yeah good pint, I guess no different than Apple being stubborn AF and keeping the outdated iOS the same since 2008, and looks like someone left the app drawer open for their UI. I'll take the buggy stock Android any day over the shittastic iOS. But that's just me.
 
Tig Bitties said:
yeah good pint, I guess no different than Apple being stubborn AF and keeping the outdated iOS the same since 2008, and looks like someone left the app drawer open for their UI. I'll take the buggy stock Android any day over the shittastic iOS. But that's just me.
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You could put apps in a folder. That’s your app drawer. It’s unlimited now.
 
jamezr said:
true...but I wish IOS would let me rearrange the icons or folders where I want them to be. If I use a photo of my kids as my wallpaper on my Xs Max.....most of the time the icons or folders cover their faces.
How hard could that be?
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Thank you.

I like my most used apps on the bottom right above the dock. And I like to have a nice wallpaper shown, with no other apps above the bottom row.

Why Apple doesn't allow the most basic simple of customization like that is beyond me.
 
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