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woolypants

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Alas, nobody seems to be reading the older posts here but... You can't trust what Apple says in the built-in macOS apps. They will show 100% when the true situation isn't that at all.

You need to use either Coconut Battery, or the terminal commands provided by me earlier in this thread.
 
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vtlnkhn

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MBP 14" M1 Pro

78 cycles, 88% from Mac OS, 83,9% from coconut

wtf?

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BigMcGuire

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No, unfortunately I'm not (
I've just bought it in May with about 30 cycles and 98%
I'd keep an eye on that. Base AppleCare is 1 year right? The way that's going, should be under 80% by next May.

You may even want to have them check the battery out - you can tell them that it's dropping fast and (maybe you notice severe battery performance loss).
 

vtlnkhn

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I'd keep an eye on that. Base AppleCare is 1 year right? The way that's going, should be under 80% by next May.

You may even want to have them check the battery out - you can tell them that it's dropping fast and (maybe you notice severe battery performance loss).
yeap, you're wright!
I have AppleCare until January, so it was bought in that time in America
I'm from Ukraine, so not sure if it would work for me (
 
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woolypants

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Always fun to hear the US people talking about AppleCare.

In most of Europe and the UK, there are at least 12 month product guarantees, provided by law.


EU law also stipulates that you must give the consumer a minimum 2-year guarantee (legal guarantee) as a protection against faulty goods, or goods that don't look or work as advertised. In some countries national law may require you to provide longer guarantees.
 
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smokesletsgo

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I have a 2020 M1 MBP 13" bought in late November 2021 with 40 cycles and 93% health shown on macOS, ~88% in reality, as shown with terminal command: ioreg -l -w0 | grep Capacity . Looks pretty low, but I don't care, in Europe we have 2 year warranty, if it hits below 80 they should replace I guess..

Battery is holding fine though, I'm not noticing any major drops..

But it shouldn't go downhill so fast, I lost almost 700mah, like 2 months ago it was 100%, it started dropping 1% a week since June, correlates with heatwave in Europe.. It was really hot, fans weren't running though, computer wasnt getting hot, although ambient room temperature was about 30-31C. Doubt it's the reason, seems like a russian roulette with these M1 batteries, lots of people reporting waaay premature drops with their M1 machines. Another mass "replacement program" incoming?
 
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Squidy666

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Jun 10, 2020
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20 cycles in my M1 Max 16 inch. Apple says 93% capacity, CoconutBattery says 88.8%

$6k laptop... Not exactly happy
 

high3r

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It's almost one year old and the battery is still going strong. Guess Apple has better batteries than in the past. My previous 2019 MBP 16-inch had 95-96% capacity after a year. (My 13PM is also above 100% capacity after a year)
 

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Sherif Iskander

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omg, I feel you bro... but after your comment I'm not so frustrated with my $2k m1 pro 😆
33 cycles and now down to 88%. I think there's a batch of batteries that degrade more than others. Unless it has to do with heat from the Pro Max chips. Lucky I got Apple Care.
 

doboy

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22 cycles and at 100% w/ optimize battery on. Purchased it around March 2022 and I occasionally run it on battery.
 

JAH_73

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30 cycles and at 88 %
MBPro 14", M1 Max, 32GB Ram
 

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stigman

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30 cycles and at 88 %
MBPro 14", M1 Max, 32GB Ram

I had optimized battery charging on since the first day of purchase. After 30 cycles I switched to AlDente. Something weird is going on with those batteries...
 

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BigMcGuire

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I had optimized battery charging on since the first day of purchase. After 30 cycles I switched to AlDente. Something weird is going on with those batteries...
Do you get the same capacity when testing at a full 100% charge? I'm curious if Apple is dropping the capacity any when not fully charged.

One thing for sure, there's no way that's lasting 1000 cycles at that rate. I do realize batteries don't wear consistently but just 33 cycles...

I wonder if Apple is going to be doing a lot of AppleCare+ (or even normal AppleCare) battery replacements as these things age.

I got mine earlier this year and:

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But I notice the Capacity goes to 100% if I charge the battery up completely. <shrug>. My laptop has been plugged in for over a week now (AlDente).
 

Kiehl

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Am I allowed for a battery replacement?

I bought my Macbook pro 14-inch in Australia last year and it seems that my battery is degrading that fast with 81% at 57 cycles and I'm currently here in the Philippines and won't be coming back to Australia in 2 to 3 years.

Can Apple Authorised repair centre's here be able to replace the battery of my macbook?


Thanks
 
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woolypants

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Something weird is going on with those batteries...

I've a feeling there might be a simple explanation, which is that the firmware is reading the batteries incorrectly. If so, this could be fixed in a major new update. It'll be interesting to see what the readings are in Ventura.

The fact that the Apple Silicon MacBooks have the battery optimisation feature might also be playing a role here. Quite a few people who've posted their numbers in this thread have very few charge cycles, yet their MacBooks are six or more months old. In other words, they're kept plugged in most of the time. It might be that the battery is somehow intended to drop the capacity in such circumstances, as part of the optimisation routines, and that the capacity will rise if the individual started allowing their batteries to run down more regularly.
 

BigMcGuire

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I've a feeling there might be a simple explanation, which is that the firmware is reading the batteries incorrectly. If so, this could be fixed in a major new update. It'll be interesting to see what the readings are in Ventura.

The fact that the Apple Silicon MacBooks have the battery optimisation feature might also be playing a role here. Quite a few people who've posted their numbers in this thread have very few charge cycles, yet their MacBooks are six or more months old. In other words, they're kept plugged in most of the time. It might be that the battery is somehow intended to drop the capacity in such circumstances, as part of the optimisation routines, and that the capacity will rise if the individual started allowing their batteries to run down more regularly.
I also believe this. I got to see my wife's failing 2017 MBP battery over the course of 3 years with coconutBattery and it was very interesting how wildly the capacity changed - sometimes 30-40%.

Of course there's no way to prove this. Just my intuition and educated guess.

I can understand how this frustrates people or makes them worried.
 
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