Resolved Power to garage is dead what to do?

[bunnspecial]

Its a Garage, NOT a house, the garage is no bigger tthan a normal sized living room. This is a TEMPERARY solution to power just a SMALL part of the garage that is nessessary to be powered until i can get some wire and a breaker box and run a new one. On a legal standpoint its prefectly fine to use a extension cord up to 90 days. and as stated the current the garage is drawing is smaller than that of a Toaster.

Why replace two front brakes? the other side is fine and replacing it is just added money. The pads on the seized caliper surprisingly still have plenty of pad materal left.

1. I just hope to goodness(for many reasons) that you don't ever have a fire. If it happens while you have things rigged up the way you do now, heaven help you when dealing with the insurance company. Even if you rewire it yourself, the same applies.

2. It doesn't matter how "good" the other pads are. Brakes are done per axle for a reason-not the least of which is that uneven brakes can cause the car to "pull." Brakes are one of the most important safety systems on your car-don't mess around with them. Heck, every time I've bought pads they came as a set of four(i.e. enough for one axle). No reputable mechanic will do your brakes on one side.

Honestly, though, I don't know why any of us continue to bother because it seems like you already have your mind made up about what you're going to do before posting here.

 

[spencers]

Starting to think the OP is trolling us all

 

[JSB1540]

Keep this thread going, I am rolling in tears from laughter! He is taking us on a nice ride!

 

[Cheffy Dave]

so yesterday morning around 8am i went to get into the car to go garage saling with my grandpa got in the car pushed the HomeLink to open the door, it didn't respond. Tried it again, still no response, went to the button on the wall... nothing. tried the light switches in the garage, nothing the entire garage has no power at all. We reset the breakers several times nothing. We checked the main power in the hose, we get full power to the house. Even checked where the power line from the house goes into the garage, we have full power in the house. We ran a extension cord from the garage to the basement and plugged it in inside the house to provide power to the critical parts of the garage, the opener and the chest freezer. We plan to run a new line to the garage via Dual male ended outlet plugs, we will plug one end into one of many outlets in the garage and plug the other end into the house. I have some questions.

How do I bypass the breaker box so when we run this wire it will power the entire garage?

Why all the sudden would the entire garage lose power when no fuses inside the house were blown and no breakers in the garage were tripped?

Would providing power by a plugging one end of the cord for the garage into an outlet in the basement and plug the other end into an outlet in the garage even PROVIDE power to the whole garage?

We checked the main power in the hose

 

[Cheffy Dave]

THE main power in the HOSE? ALWAYS DRAIN THE HOSE before plugging it in, SHEESE!

 

[JSB1540]

Starting to think the OP is trolling us all

I think so, but he is funny. At first I was shaking my head thinking: Who can be this stupid? Then just started laughing at the absurdity of it all.

 

[hallux]

Its a Garage, NOT a house, the garage is no bigger tthan a normal sized living room. This is a TEMPERARY solution to power just a SMALL part of the garage that is nessessary to be powered until i can get some wire and a breaker box and run a new one. On a legal standpoint its prefectly fine to use a extension cord up to 90 days. and as stated the current the garage is drawing is smaller than that of a Toaster.


Why replace two front brakes? the other side is fine and replacing it is just added money. The pads on the seized caliper surprisingly still have plenty of pad materal left.

And again the car wasnt WITHOUT brakes! There was still enough fluid in the lines to stop the car.

Grounding a computer fan to the case is NOT even related to this thread. And had nothing to do with the buzzing in the speakers well before or well after the fact.

I have grounded fans to computer cases for YEARS with no side effects and considering this house isnt EVEN grounded (there was no 3 bladed plugs in 1949/1950) the grounding plug on computers do nothing. the computer Gets grounded soley by the nuteral side of the power coming in.

EDIT: Infact. MOST OF YOUR POST isnt even on-topic to the thread
EDIT 2: The garage is getting its power from a 30A circuit.

Brake pads come in sets of 4. Why? Because if you replace only one side at a time you run the risk of braking issues from mis-matched pads on either side of a single axle (considered one end of the vehicle).

I didn't read the thread on the computer fan, what was the deal? For the record, the plug for the fan should include the needed ground and there should be no need to "ground it to the case".

Sure, the 30A circuit may be enough to handle the entire garage but a SINGLE OUTLET as you're using isn't as a 30A circuit is to cover SEVERAL outlets and have load spread across the entire circuit. Not to even consider that there may be other stuff on that same circuit.

I shouldn't even get into you getting "some wire and a breaker box" and trying to fix this yourself but I will. Why would you need another breaker box? Are you familiar with installing a box and where to PROPERLY draw the power from (hint, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to power a garage circuit panel with a breaker in the main panel).

 

[koa]

On a legal standpoint its prefectly fine to use a extension cord up to 90 days.

LOL Think about that statement. Who determines the timeframe? When does the clock stop ticking on the 90 days? When the house burns down? If the house even has some kind of insurance on it and there is a fire, the insurance claims adjuster and fire investigator are going to telling that one for a long time.

Two words: SMOKE DETECTORS!

 

[MatthewLTL]

You have it completely backwards. Renters covers personal property. Homeowners covers personal property + the house.

Renters insurance is for if you are renting a home. They'll cover your stuff in the event of a catastrophe. The landlord who owns the home would still have homeowners to cover the building itself.

Not backwards. Seen the policy myself. It is renter's insurance that covers the dwelling + extension (garage) in event of natural disaster or fire. non of our stuff is covered. He cannot get homeowners insurance on a property he's not physically living in.

 

[MacNut]

Not backwards. Seen the policy myself. It is renter's insurance that covers the dwelling + extension (garage) in event of natural disaster or fire. non of our stuff is covered. He cannot get homeowners insurance on a property he's not physically living in.

Is he the homeowner, does he own the home? If yes he can get homeowners insurance.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Brake pads come in sets of 4. Why? Because if you replace only one side at a time you run the risk of braking issues from mis-matched pads on either side of a single axle (considered one end of the vehicle).

I didn't read the thread on the computer fan, what was the deal? For the record, the plug for the fan should include the needed ground and there should be no need to "ground it to the case".

Sure, the 30A circuit may be enough to handle the entire garage but a SINGLE OUTLET as you're using isn't as a 30A circuit is to cover SEVERAL outlets and have load spread across the entire circuit. Not to even consider that there may be other stuff on that same circuit.

I shouldn't even get into you getting "some wire and a breaker box" and trying to fix this yourself but I will. Why would you need another breaker box? Are you familiar with installing a box and where to PROPERLY draw the power from (hint, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to power a garage circuit panel with a breaker in the main panel).

break pads come in a set of 2 i looked into it. The pads are perfectly fine actually.

That outlet is just a standard outlet with a power cord and plug put on it I didn't make it I'm just utilizing it. I know exactly what is on the 30A circuit which is why I am using it. As to why i need another breaker box? I dont. its circuit protection so the entire garages doesn't overheat/overload a single 30A circuit. I only need 2 breakers or fuses. One for outlets one for lights. A cartrige fuse box would work fine.

EDIT: I most likely could use a power strip with a built in breaker and accomplish the same task.

 

[MatthewLTL]

LOL Think about that statement. Who determines the timeframe? When does the clock stop ticking on the 90 days? When the house burns down? If the house even has some kind of insurance on it and there is a fire, the insurance claims adjuster and fire investigator are going to telling that one for a long time.

Two words: SMOKE DETECTORS!

How would I know? It's what i found while looking up power strip and extension cord saftey codes. powering the garage like I am is no different than having a power strip.

 

[MacNut]

How would I know? It's what i found while looking up power strip and extension cord saftey codes. powering the garage like I am is no different than having a power strip.

Ugh, where is Darwin when you need him.

It's totally different!! A power strip is on a single outlet not a single breaker.

 

[MatthewLTL]

1. I just hope to goodness(for many reasons) that you don't ever have a fire. If it happens while you have things rigged up the way you do now, heaven help you when dealing with the insurance company. Even if you rewire it yourself, the same applies.

2. It doesn't matter how "good" the other pads are. Brakes are done per axle for a reason-not the least of which is that uneven brakes can cause the car to "pull." Brakes are one of the most important safety systems on your car-don't mess around with them. Heck, every time I've bought pads they came as a set of four(i.e. enough for one axle). No reputable mechanic will do your brakes on one side.

Honestly, though, I don't know why any of us continue to bother because it seems like you already have your mind made up about what you're going to do before posting here.

If there was any chance of fire i would rush into the house and shut the circuit off right away.
The cord doesn't even get warm the ENTIRE Garage (or the powered section) takes less amps or current than a microwave or a toaster.

EDIT: as far as brakes go read my update post in the car thread....

 

[MacNut]

If there was any chance of fire i would rush into the house and shut the circuit off right away.
The cord doesn't even get warm the ENTIRE Garage (or the powered section) takes less amps or current than a microwave or a toaster.

EDIT: as far as brakes go read my update post in the car thread....

Sure the cord isn't warm but I bet that single wire would get quite red.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Sure the cord isn't warm but I bet that single wire would get quite red.

I don't over work the circuit, The garage runs off one of the 30A circuits for the clothes dryer. When using the clothes dryer I unplug the cord to the garage. the other side of the dryer circuit powers the fusebox the the outside centeral AC unit. When I use the air compressor in the garage i unplug everything and just run the compressor on the extension cord.

 

[MatthewLTL]

I didn't read the thread on the computer fan, what was the deal? For the record, the plug for the fan should include the needed ground and there should be no need to "ground it to the case".

Most of my computer fans are fans salvaged from dead power supplies. They don't HAVE plugs I run a wire from either the 12V or 5V line off the PSU and run the ground to the nearist location with a screw, I loop the wire around the screw and tighten the screw. In the case of my MDD the nearest screw was one on the CPU heatsink and the fan was a fan a added behind the CPU. I have 2 fans behind the CPU to cool the system when I run it with the oven door open.

 

[MacNut]

I don't over work the circuit, The garage runs off one of the 30A circuits for the clothes dryer. When using the clothes dryer I unplug the cord to the garage. the other side of the dryer circuit powers the fusebox the the outside centeral AC unit. When I use the air compressor in the garage i unplug everything and just run the compressor on the extension cord.

It just gets better every post. So your extension cord that powers the garage is off of the dryer? And you have a central air condenser tapped off of it as well?

 

[bunnspecial]

break pads come in a set of 2 i looked into it. The pads are perfectly fine actually.

I couldn't find them...

http://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-...daewoo/lanos/2001/4-cylinders-6-1-6l-mfi-dohc

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/c4/brake+pads+shoes+front/-49999840

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/R.../N-599001 102001 50019 2019001 26367/Ne-25000

 

[MatthewLTL]

It just gets better every post. So your extension cord that powers the garage is off of the dryer? And you have a central air condenser tapped off of it as well?

I didn't do the wiring. It's not wired to the plug for the dryer its wired into the dryer's fuse box.... Again, house came that way. I know enough to unplug the garage before using the dryer because when i used to have m bedroom in the basement having m computer plugged in would blow one of the fuses whenever I ran the dryer. some one thought it was a brilliant idea to wire the outlet to the heating side of the dryer's circuit. Why the AC wasn't wired on it's own indipendent line rather than on the dryer's power side is beyond me. Sure wouldn't think the company that installed It would wire it like that. Just like the company that installed our furnace had to run a ground wire, claiming the furnace wouldn't function without a ground wire. Surely wouldnt think a old metal sewer vent pipe would be an adaquite ground.....

I couldn't find them...

http://www.autozone.com/brakes-and-...daewoo/lanos/2001/4-cylinders-6-1-6l-mfi-dohc

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/c4/brake+pads+shoes+front/-49999840

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Result.aspx/Daewoo-Lanos-2001/_/Ntk-Category/Ntt-Brake Systems/N-599001 102001 50019 2019001 26367/Ne-25000

must be thinking of the caliper.... pads are fine anyway don't even look like i need any just the caliper

 

[A.Goldberg]

Why replace two front brakes? the other side is fine and replacing it is just added money. The pads on the seized caliper surprisingly still have plenty of pad materal left.

Because it's a safety issue if one of you brakes works 100% and the other works 25%. When you slam on the brakes, what do you think will happen? Especially considering these are the front wheels we are talking about? Hint: the braking power won't be the same on either side.

And again the car wasnt WITHOUT brakes! There was still enough fluid in the lines to stop the car.

You had leaking brake lines? You calculated that there would be enough left by the time you got to the shop? Oh wait, it doesn't matter, using an e-brake is a perfectly reasonable way of stoping a car (sarcasm)

Grounding a computer fan to the case is NOT even related to this thread. And had nothing to do with the buzzing in the speakers well before or well after the fact.

It's just a ridiculously bad idea.

EDIT: Infact. MOST OF YOUR POST isnt even on-topic to the thread

No, it's exactly on topic. One bad idea after another. Do you realize that literally no one here agrees with your wiring job? Even people such as myself who are not trained electricians or electrical engineers clearly see this is an accident waiting to happen. If enough people tell you something is a bad idea, why wouldn't you heed the warning? "Because nothing bad has happened yet" is not an answer (key word = yet)

Seen the policy myself. It is renter's insurance that covers the dwelling + extension (garage) in event of natural disaster or fire

Why would the renter's insurance cover the dwelling. Does that mean if I burn my current apartment building down I'll get paid for the building I don't own? Renter's refers to the tenants, not the landlord. Look up the definition of "renter" and the 's denotes the insurance belonging to the renter.

The pads are perfectly fine actually.

I highly doubt that. Three years of driving on a seized caliper and the burning smell you reported, they're probably not in good shape. Let's see some pictures.

Ugh, where is Darwin when you need him

Darwin clearly was wrong.

If there was any chance of fire i would rush into the house and shut the circuit off right away.

So you're going to sit watch over your wiring 24/7? True or False? - When a building is on fire all you have to shut off the electricity and the fire will stop? (If it's true we should just get rid of fire departments and replace them with electricians)

 

[hallux]

No, it's exactly on topic. One bad idea after another. Do you realize that literally no one here agrees with your wiring job? Even people such as myself who are not trained electricians or electrical engineers clearly see this is an accident waiting to happen. If enough people tell you something is a bad idea, why wouldn't you heed the warning? "Because nothing bad has happened yet" is not an answer (key word = yet)

I believe "accident" implies it was not a preventable occurrence.

By the way, I'm no EE or electrician, just someone else that has some common sense and logical thought processes.

 

[laurim]

electritions cost money.....a thing made obvious i dont have.. it worked fine then just died perhaps the rain killed the wire burried not even 1 foot underground ill have to yank the main fuses dig it up and take a look. perhaps it just needs a splice

EDIT: Why pay someone for something i can do myself? (abit a fraction the cost and 5x the time it would take but it would be done either way)

I'm no electrician but I think burying an electric wire so shallow in a city where the ground hard freezes and thaws every year is your first problem. If you did that, you need to hire a professional from now on. Wow, I was under the impression that most men have a gang of friends and friends of friends with various professions and skills they could trade. You need to get out and meet people!

EDIT: Ok, I looked it up and it's ok to bury Romex in a metal conduit only 6 inches deep but if it's in metal conduit I don't know how digging it up would show you anything.

 

[A.Goldberg]

I believe "accident" implies it was not a preventable occurrence.

By the way, I'm no EE or electrician, just someone else that has some common sense and logical thought processes.

Touché. Yes, this is not an accident waiting to happen. Completely preferable fire right here.

I'd love to email this to my relative who is a Phd in electrical engineering and a licensed master electrician, amongst other things. His company designs and builds some components of power plants. He might have a word or two to say about this

 

[MatthewLTL]

Because it's a safety issue if one of you brakes works 100% and the other works 25%. When you slam on the brakes, what do you think will happen? Especially considering these are the front wheels we are talking about? Hint: the braking power won't be the same on either side.

You had leaking brake lines? You calculated that there would be enough left by the time you got to the shop? Oh wait, it doesn't matter, using an e-brake is a perfectly reasonable way of stoping a car (sarcasm)


It's just a ridiculously bad idea.


No, it's exactly on topic. One bad idea after another. Do you realize that literally no one here agrees with your wiring job? Even people such as myself who are not trained electricians or electrical engineers clearly see this is an accident waiting to happen. If enough people tell you something is a bad idea, why wouldn't you heed the warning? "Because nothing bad has happened yet" is not an answer (key word = yet)


Why would the renter's insurance cover the dwelling. Does that mean if I burn my current apartment building down I'll get paid for the building I don't own? Renter's refers to the tenants, not the landlord. Look up the definition of "renter" and the 's denotes the insurance belonging to the renter.


I highly doubt that. Three years of driving on a seized caliper and the burning smell you reported, they're probably not in good shape. Let's see some pictures.


Darwin clearly was wrong.


So you're going to sit watch over your wiring 24/7? True or False? - When a building is on fire all you have to shut off the electricity and the fire will stop? (If it's true we should just get rid of fire departments and replace them with electricians)

1. there is no need to be a dick.
2. How so? Seriously. What difference would it make? I cannot find a single thing online stating anything about this.
3. When did I say this was a good idea? This is a bad Idea and is tempting fate, and if it wasn't for the necessity of powering the chest freezer a cord would not of even been run.
4. the insurance policy on my grandpa's house is different than ours. Because he lives in his if he had a fire or the house was a total loss he would get over 4x what would be for this house. Stuff IN his house is covered. HOWEVER, being that he doesn't LIVE in our house his policy on ours ONLY covers the dwelling + Extension. It covers nothing but the structure.

I'm no electrician but I think burying an electric wire so shallow in a city where the ground hard freezes and thaws every year is your first problem. If you did that, you need to hire a professional from now on. Wow, I was under the impression that most men have a gang of friends and friends of friends with various professions and skills they could trade. You need to get out and meet people!

EDIT: Ok, I looked it up and it's ok to bury Romex in a metal conduit only 6 inches deep but if it's in metal conduit I don't know how digging it up would show you anything.

no metal conduit at all just the standard electrical wiring burried 6 inches down.