That's correct. I was referring to my work-supplied 16" MacBook Pro. I've heard the fans can run wild on them when attached to external displays. I use clamshell mode which apparently helps but we'll see. The eGPU was cheap anyway.
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That's correct. I was referring to my work-supplied 16" MacBook Pro. I've heard the fans can run wild on them when attached to external displays. I use clamshell mode which apparently helps but we'll see. The eGPU was cheap anyway.
Is anyone using the XDR plus a a 5K LG Ultrafine at the same time with a 16” MBP? I currently have 2 of the LG´s and want to replace one with an XDR. Thanks
Answering my own question. I got the XDR and it runs fine with an LG5K. I have a MBP 2019 16" with the AMD Radeon Pro 5500M 8 GB and so far - smooth graphics on both monitors (each connected to separate T3 sides)
Use AGDCDiagnose to see if the XDR is using DSC or dual HBR3? You have a 5500M so it should be able to do DSC. In that case, you should be able to connect two XDRs to the same side. If it doesn't use DSC, then it will have the same limit as the LG UltraFine 5K - only one per side. Are you using Big Sur or Catalina? Apple broke DSC in some cases for Big Sur.
I am on Big Sur. I ran AGDCdiagnose and have the output TXT file but do not know where to look if the XDR is using DSC or not on the results of AGDCdiagnose.
I’ve read that the Nano-Texture XDR makes text less sharp than the standard XDR. Anyone have that experience?
I am a Software Engineer working on high performance GPU video decoding considering the Pro XDR. I have been waiting for the Asus PA32UCG for over a year now. The damn thing never became widely available. (With the exception of some distributer selling it for 6.4K USD to a limited clientele.) I’m now eye’ing the Pro XDR again. Currently working with an LG W650-UK 4K monitor.
I am a Software Engineer working on high performance GPU video decoding considering the Pro XDR. I have been waiting for the Asus PA32UCG for over a year now. The damn thing never became widely available. (With the exception of some distributer selling it for 6.4K USD to a limited clientele.) I’m now eye’ing the Pro XDR again. Currently working with an LG W650-UK 4K monitor.
You can zip the file and post it here for us to look at.
For a GPU, there is a list of Framebuffers, Port Capabilities, Connections.
Each connection has a Status that shows the link width and link rate.
Status: [4 x HBR2 7777] means link width: 4 lanes, link rate: 5.4 Gbps. A XDR display will have one of these when using DSC, or a 4K60 timing, or a 5K60 6bpc timing in Windows, ...Status: [4 x HBR3 7777] means link width: 4 lanes, link rate: 8.1 Gbps. A XDR display will have two of these when not using DSC and connected via GPU+Thunderbolt that support DisplayPort 1.4.For each Connection, there's a Register Dump.
Reg: 000060: 01 : DSC Support: 1 means DSC is supported.Reg: 000160: 01 : DSC Enable: 0x1 means DSC is enabled.The Register Dump also includes some of the Connection info (DisplayPort version, Link Rate, Link Width, etc.)
After the Register Dump is the EDID Dump which describes the display and its supported timings and other features. edid-decode can interpret this info after converting to a binary file.
For each GPU, there may be a Device Dump at the end (depends on the GPU). This will have info like link width, link rate, framebuffer resolution, framebuffer pixel format/depth, output resolution, output pixel format/depth, DSC settings, etc.
The matte display is more fuzzy. If you cannot see them in person, the best analogy I can make is that if you do not like regular off the shelf matte displays in a store, you are not going to like the nano-textured XDR either. It isn't magic.
Thanks for information. Not entirely sure what it means, however the XDR+LG5K each on one side of the MBP have been working great and the XDR is a joy to look at all day long. I do not code but look at spreadsheets and other docs all day long. I searched the AGDCDiagnose file for "DSC Support" and "DSC enable" and came up with these 4 lines:
Reg: 000060: 01 : DSC Support: 1
Reg: 000060: 00 : DSC Support: 0
Reg: 000160: 00 : DSC Enable: 0x0
Reg: 000160: 01 : DSC Enable: 0x1
I assume the XDR supports DSC and the LG5K not. I also believe regardless to what side I connect I can only have two monitors that exceed 5K
FWIW I attach a ZIP of the AGDCDiagnose
Again, thanks for taking the time.
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It is as you say. The XDR is using DSC (one connection of 4 lanes HBR2). The LG is not using DSC (two connections of 4 lanes of HBR2). It appears your LG UltraFine 5K is the older Thunderbolt only model so a method to force it to use only one DisplayPort connection is not as simple as connecting a USB-C to DisplayPort cable. Or maybe it is - if you use a 20 Gbps Thunderbolt cable (or a USB-C non-Thunderbolt cable) then it may force only one DisplayPort connection, then you could connect more than two of them at 5K 39Hz maybe (but I've only seen one person try 5K 39Hz and only with the new LG UltraFine 5K).
As for how many 5K+ displays you can connect, you can't really know until you try (Apple specs are sometimes wrong). The answer is 2, 3, or 4 since that's all the ports you have available from the GPU.
I used my script at https://gist.github.com/joevt/32e5efffe3459958759fb702579b9529 to examine your AGDCDiagnose output.
Code:
mkdir ~/EDID\ from\ likegadgets
cd ~/EDID\ from\ likegadgets
source ~/Downloads/EDIDUtil.sh
loadagdcfile AGDCDiagnose_a.txt
agdcdevicedump AGDCDiagnose_a.txt > AGDCDiagnose_a_dump.txt
dumpedidall
decodeall
edidbinall
listedidsI get a bunch of results and files, then I examine the files. Four of the EDIDs are directly from your displays (one for the laptop display, two for the LG UltraFine 5K, one for the XDR). There's a mtdd file for the XDR, an mtdd for the LG, and also a patch for the LG. There's actually a patch for the laptop display but it doesn't change the EDID.
So 7 EDIDs total. Then I add a
# comment for each one to describe it.
Code:
# Apple laptop Display
1)
vendor:1552 (APP) product:41028
strings:Color LCD LP160WT1-SJA1
sources:
AGDCDiagnose_a.txt:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PCI0@0/AppleACPIPCI/PEG0@1/IOPP/EGP0@0/IOPP/EGP1@0/IOPP/GFX0@0/AMDRadeonX6000_AmdAgdcServices/AppleGraphicsDevicePolicy/AGDPClientControl/Port 1
/System/Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides/DisplayVendorID-610/DisplayProductID-a044:edid-patches of (1)
# XDR ae22 (1440px1, 4K, 5K, 6K, 5K tiled but tile info is for 6K)
2)
vendor:1552 (APP) product:44578
strings:ProDisplayXDR APP#
sources:
AGDCDiagnose_a.txt:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PCI0@0/AppleACPIPCI/PEG0@1/IOPP/EGP0@0/IOPP/EGP1@0/IOPP/GFX0@0/AMDRadeonX6000_AmdAgdcServices/AppleGraphicsDevicePolicy/AGDPClientControl/Port 3
# XDR ae23 (overlay for ae22) (1440px1, 4K, 5K, 6K)
3)
vendor:1552 (APP) product:44579
strings:Pro Display
sources:
/System/Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides/DisplayVendorID-610/DisplayProductID-ae22.mtdd:overlay
# LG UltraFine 5K (first gen) left tile
4)
vendor:7789 (GSM) product:23313
strings:LG UltraFine
sources:
AGDCDiagnose_a.txt:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PCI0@0/AppleACPIPCI/PEG0@1/IOPP/EGP0@0/IOPP/EGP1@0/IOPP/GFX0@0/AMDRadeonX6000_AmdAgdcServices/AppleGraphicsDevicePolicy/AGDPClientControl/Port 4
# LG UltraFine 5K (first gen) left tile patched (removes tile info and tile timing)
5)
vendor:7789 (GSM) product:23313
strings:LG UltraFine
sources:
/System/Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides/DisplayVendorID-1e6d/DisplayProductID-5b11:edid-patches of (4)
/System/Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides/DisplayVendorID-1e6d/DisplayProductID-5b11:edid-patches of (5)
# LG UltraFine 5K (first gen) overlay (just has the 5K timing)
6)
vendor:7789 (GSM) product:23313
strings:<"x LG UltraFine
sources:
/System/Library/Displays/Contents/Resources/Overrides/DisplayVendorID-1e6d/DisplayProductID-5b11.mtdd:overlay
# LG UltraFine 5K (first gen) right tile
7)
vendor:7789 (GSM) product:23313
strings:LG UltraFine
sources:
AGDCDiagnose_a.txt:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PCI0@0/AppleACPIPCI/PEG0@1/IOPP/EGP0@0/IOPP/EGP1@0/IOPP/GFX0@0/AMDRadeonX6000_AmdAgdcServices/AppleGraphicsDevicePolicy/AGDPClientControl/Port 5
ls -l
total 560
170084 Feb 21 07:35 AGDCDiagnose_a.txt
2706 Jan 20 02:13 EDID.worksheet
256 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_a044_1.bin
954 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_a044_1_dumpedid.txt
2529 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_a044_1_edid-decode.txt
768 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_ae22_2.bin
5051 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_ae22_2_dumpedid.txt
11588 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_ae22_2_edid-decode.txt
640 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_ae23_3.bin
3544 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_ae23_3_dumpedid.txt
8625 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_APP_610_ae23_3_edid-decode.txt
384 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_4.bin
1719 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_4_dumpedid.txt
4541 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_4_edid-decode.txt
384 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_5.bin
1353 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_5_dumpedid.txt
3680 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_5_edid-decode.txt
256 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_6.bin
592 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_6_dumpedid.txt
2002 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_6_edid-decode.txt
256 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_7.bin
1036 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_7_dumpedid.txt
2898 Feb 22 01:23 EDID_GSM_1e6d_5b11_7_edid-decode.txtThanks for taking the time. I am so pleased with the XDR I will be keeping it and using it alone. Simple one cable docking. The LGs were always problematic (shielding, ghosting, going dark and back on). If I need a second screen in the future will take the leap for a seconds XDR
Hey there!
Have you had any issues with this display waking from sleep or when connecting and disconnecting from the display?
Secondly, have you tested it with various scaled resolutions at all?
I'm having issues with my LG 5K2K UltraWide and the only potential resolution appears to be buying this monitor (which is pretty bad).
Just wondering if you can help me out! Thanks.
I was having issues with waking from sleep sometimes, yep. It would often require re-plugging the display to get it to show up. I ended up just turning off sleep when it's plugged in, given it uses hardly any power anyway. I'll try again when 11.3 is out.
I've not tried scaled resolutions, no. The 6K looks perfect at its default resolution. Scaling usually results in half pixels and blurriness that drives me mad.
Thanks. Appreciate the response.
Since then, have you had any issues when disconnecting the Macbook and then reconnecting. Does the display get detected correctly?
Regarding scaling - ordinarily, I would be in the same camp, but the difference between 6016 by 3384 on the XDR and 5120x2160 on the LG 5K2K essentially make this a larger display, with a lower resolution, which means that when you half the resolution, it becomes comically large (See attachment).
The reason I am wanting to see what your options are for scaling is to determine if I could accomplish the desired pixel density using a scaled resolution if I order the XDR. In AU there is a 1 month wait time, which is frustrating! I believe you will have no options exceeding 3008 pixels wide. If so, it makes the monitor less attractive for my needs. Cheers!
Since then, have you had any issues when disconnecting the Macbook and then reconnecting. Does the display get detected correctly?
Regarding scaling - ordinarily, I would be in the same camp, but the difference between 6016 by 3384 on the XDR and 5120x2160 on the LG 5K2K essentially make this a larger display, with a lower resolution, which means that when you half the resolution, it becomes comically large (See attachment).
The reason I am wanting to see what your options are for scaling is to determine if I could accomplish the desired pixel density using a scaled resolution if I order the XDR. In AU there is a 1 month wait time, which is frustrating! I believe you will have no options exceeding 3008 pixels wide. If so, it makes the monitor less attractive for my needs. Cheers!
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Ahh, I see! It's like running a 32" or 27" display at 4K in "retina". A similar effect where the UI is just zoomed but still retina. The 6K doesn't have any options other than this out of the box. Not sure if this helps?
Hold down the Option key and click "Scaled". Take a screenshot of the list of resolutions. Then do the same again with "Show low resolutions" selected.
Options in the second list are the same as the first but with the additional "low resolution" options.
Amazing. Thanks. That is exactly what I was looking for.
Cheers @joevt also.
I think I would much rather have the choice to use higher scaled resolutions personally. But glad you are pleased with it!
You might be able to do something like that with SwitchResX but I'm pretty happy with the sharpness at the 100% level. 220 PPI is where it's at ? (until 330 PPI comes a long! ?).
That is what I used to use. Due to architecture changes in macOS on M1, SwitchResX no longer allows you to insert custom resolutions. You can no longer tell your own laptop how you want your own monitor to behave.
I agree about the PPI. I am more concerned about the scaling of the UI!
Yes the architecture changed but the real problem is that Apple changed the software so that the method that we knew about to add custom timings and resolutions no longer works. There may be a method that we don't know about that could be used instead. Someone just needs to go into the software to find that method. If Apple doesn't have an accessible API or location for adding/changing/storing custom timings and resolutions, then maybe we need a Lilu + Whatever Green that works on Apple Silicon and can make patches to kernel extensions.
There was a weeks delay also in Los Angeles. I looked at each local store inventory and one of the nearby stores (which are still closed to walk ins in Los Angeles) had it in stock (I added it to the bag and checked in pick up what stores may have it), . I called (800) MY–APPLE, placed the order by phone and for a $9.00 US fee they delivered the XDR and Stand in less than 2 hours (Apple used Postmates). I don't know if they offer this in AU but worth checking it out if you have Apple stores nearby.
Well I received mine and set it up last night. What a display! I feel like I’m working on my iPad. What I mean by that, is when I work on the iPad (editing photos or video) I feel immersed and there is something great about that vs sitting at a desktop. I feel the same about this display.
Mine is on an Ergotron arm. Is there a way I can find the ideal height/distance from eyes to place my monitor at?
Also is there a way to prevent my arm or the monitor from shaking? A slight rest of my shoulder on the desk shakes the monitor, even though the desk doesn’t appear to shake.
Mine is on an Ergotron arm. Is there a way I can find the ideal height/distance from eyes to place my monitor at?
Also is there a way to prevent my arm or the monitor from shaking? A slight rest of my shoulder on the desk shakes the monitor, even though the desk doesn’t appear to shake.
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