RAZR MAXX knocks iPhone out of first place on Verizon

[lordofthereef]

I think quite a few people are flocking to the Maxx because of the enormous batter and sleek form factor. My fiance's sisters both got the Maxx, and both initially wanted to go with the iPhone. After playing with the Maxx and finding out how long the battery lasted, they were hooked. They really are an "Apple family" too what with all of their ipods, ipads, etc.

 

[DodgeV83]

False. I can add more memory to my Maxx anytime I like, I couldn't on my 4s.
My Maxx isn't made of glass and won't shatter if I drop it (which I have several times) which means its build quality is superior. The Maxx has a larger display. The Maxx has a faster processor. The Maxx has more RAM. I just listed several more categories where the Maxx is superior.

Performance has nothing to do with shattering when it drops. The iPhone 4S performs better in all CPU and GPU benchmarks shared between the two platforms.

 

[cynics]

Google used to do the same thing back in the cupcake donut days when a phone wasn't capable of running something and I'm sure they still do. Secondly how does a missing feature compare to an entire missing OS. Android phones sometimes SHIP for the first time with an older OS then current and then never even get the new OS!?!? Like wtf.

All features of android OS are included on all phones. However manufacture UI may include a feature that's not on other manufacture handsets. Like motorolas smart actions isnt on a Samsung phone.

ICS is just now really starting to roll out on older handset. Not all will get it, that's up to the manufacture. So blame them not Google.

The samething would happen if Apple let other companies use iOS.

 

[DodgeV83]

It makes me laugh to read people knocking android for being fragmented.

Tell me how is Siri working on your iphone 4? or how about on your 3Gs or your 3g or your 2g??? Oh it doesnt work = fragmented

How well do you expect your 3gs or your iphone 4 to run the new navigation?

Oh it wont....LOL... You guys are so fragmented.

Every android phone can run its navigation, sheesh get with it its 2012 already...

When people refer to fragmentation on Android, the Apps are the biggest factor.

Search the Google Play store for popular apps like Grand Theft Auto 3, Spotify, Real Racing 2, Modern Combat 3, HBO Go, Netflix...etc, and you'll see many complaints about the app not working for a specific device, or people complaining that "My device can run this app, and it used to show up as compatible, but now it won't let me download saying it won't work on my device!"

People have complained this is a game of Wack-A-Mole, asking if they should get device A where these apps work, or device B where these other apps work.

 

[mbell1975]

Performance has nothing to do with shattering when it drops. The iPhone 4S performs better in all CPU and GPU benchmarks shared between the two platforms.

False again...Scroll down halfway to Benchmarks. The only test the 4s won was the GL and thats a given considering its awesome graphics performance. However, the Maxx beat it in everything else.

http://www.gadgetreview.com/2012/03/motorola-droid-razr-maxx-review.html

 

[DodgeV83]

False again...Scroll down halfway to Benchmarks. The only test the 4s won was the GL and thats a given considering its awesome graphics performance. However, the Maxx beat it in everything else.

http://www.gadgetreview.com/2012/03/motorola-droid-razr-maxx-review.html

BrowserMark and Sunspider are not CPU benchmarks, they are browser benchmarks. They test the performance of the browser.

For example, when Safari was updated last year, the iPhone 4 showed a 3x increase in performance in either BrowserMark or Sunspider, I forget which. In the current iOS 6 beta, Safari was updated again, and the SunSpider scored increased dramatically again - ahead of the Droid Razr in the link you provided -

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Safari-is-faster-on-iOS-6-according-to-benchmarks_id31150

Not the same thing.

 

[mbell1975]

BrowserMark and Sunspider are not CPU benchmarks, they are browser benchmarks. They test the performance of the browser.

For example, when Safari was updated last year, the iPhone 4 showed a 3x increase in performance in either BrowserMark or Sunspider, I forget which. In the current iOS 6 beta, Safari was updated again, and the SunSpider scored increased dramatically again - ahead of the Droid Razr in the link you provided -

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Safari-is-faster-on-iOS-6-according-to-benchmarks_id31150

Not the same thing.

Don't care. I posted an example of the Maxx beating the 4s in several tests. You find some tests with the 4s beating the Maxx, go on now.

 

[chakraj]

When people refer to fragmentation on Android, the Apps are the biggest factor.

Search the Google Play store for popular apps like Grand Theft Auto 3, Spotify, Real Racing 2, Modern Combat 3, HBO Go, Netflix...etc, and you'll see many complaints about the app not working for a specific device, or people complaining that "My device can run this app, and it used to show up as compatible, but now it won't le time download saying it won't work on my device!"

People have complained this is a game of Wack-A-Mole, asking if they should get device A where these apps work, or device B where these other apps work.

whack a mole is a terrible game anyway, who cares if it wont run on your device.

 

[G5isAlive]

The Razr Maxx was released with Gingerbread and getting a FULL update to ICS. How about Apple giving the finger to iPhone 4 owners by not giving them the best features from iOS 6 forcing them to buy a new phone? Thats a complete joke. Its taking awhile but at least we are getting it, not some watered down version of it

Did you just compare an update (that you have not gotten yet and has already been delayed) on a 6 month old phone with what may or may not come for a 2 year old phone?

Come back with more updates in a year and a half and we will see. The droid upgrade history is lousy

 

[Troneas]

its made of plastic.

 

[mbell1975]

its made of plastic.

LOL

It has a Kevlar backing, stainless steel sides and Gorilla Glass. Its a much better build quality than the mostly shatter glass on the 4s

 

[lordofthereef]

Did you just compare an update (that you have not gotten yet and has already been delayed) on a 6 month old phone with what may or may not come for a 2 year old phone?

Come back with more updates in a year and a half and we will see. The droid upgrade history is lousy

Look at iOS 6 on the 4S and Gen3 iPad. Now look at it on every other device. iOS6 is basically iOS5 on anything but the latest hardware. At this point these older devices are still technically running the latest software, but with so many features being pulled out of older devices (for seemingly no reason other than to give people a reason to upgrade their hardware), it doesn't really seem like said older devices are getting much of on OS update at all.

Don't get me wrong. This isn't a complaint about Apple, or a praise for Android. It is what it is. But the constant di** measuring the iOS users do with Android users (and vice versa... very much so) is just silly. Both platforms have the potential of getting better and fuller updates. Both platforms are stifled in this respect, but for very different reasons.

 

[lordofthereef]

When people refer to fragmentation on Android, the Apps are the biggest factor.

Search the Google Play store for popular apps like Grand Theft Auto 3, Spotify, Real Racing 2, Modern Combat 3, HBO Go, Netflix...etc, and you'll see many complaints about the app not working for a specific device, or people complaining that "My device can run this app, and it used to show up as compatible, but now it won't let me download saying it won't work on my device!"

People have complained this is a game of Wack-A-Mole, asking if they should get device A where these apps work, or device B where these other apps work.

While I agree with most of what you said, the complaints (almost) never seem to be coming from those on flagship devices. Some guy bought some budget buy on Android device for 99 cents get one free for your remaining lines on your family plan and he is upset that the game isn't running properly. Nobody is looking at the current gen, or even last gen flagship devices and saying the apps are not running on them. The exception to this might be tegra zone, though it is made pretty clear which devices support tegra zone content.

In many ways we can compare this to buying a computer. If you buy a $300 tower, you probably aren't going to be doing any gaming on it (unless you consider facebook games gaming). Apple makes it easy with the idevices. If they are currently on the market, your games will work just fine. In that sense, there isn't really much know-how or knowledge involved. This is likely where we get the "it just works" mantra.

 

[DodgeV83]

Look at iOS 6 on the 4S and Gen3 iPad. Now look at it on every other device. iOS6 is basically iOS5 on anything but the latest hardware.

Considering we've only seen 10 out of 200 updates in iOS 6, I don't think we have enough information to be able to say this. Even of the 10 we know about, only 3 aren't available on the iPhone 4.

 

[lordofthereef]

Considering we've only seen 10 out of 200 updates in iOS 6, I don't think we have enough information to be able to say this. Even of the 10 we know about, only 3 aren't available on the iPhone 4.

10 out of 200... look at that random list of stuff they showed. They are counting every language addition, every tiny change in every and update, as they always do. They showed us the major things. Everything else is going to be minor (or exclusive to the next gen iPhone, which would only solidify my point).

EDIT: I believe passbook is included as well. Missed that.

I am not sure where you are going with only 3 features not being available on iPhone 4. Aside from the "wonderful" facebook integration, the 4 didn't get diddly. Oh, well they got maps, with no spoken turn by turn. So they got maps which are just... different.

 

[0000757]

Is this true?

http://easternmorningherald.com/mot...-edges-iphone-on-verizon-sales-charts/128110/

If so that is a pretty rare occurrence. I love my MAXX and hopefully when ICS 4.0 comes (Moto says before the end of 2nd quarter 2012) it will only get better. Battery life and 4G LTE speed is great.

Wasn't 4.0 originally supposed to come out in April?

 

[DodgeV83]

While I agree with most of what you said, the complaints (almost) never seem to be coming from those on flagship devices. Some guy bought some budget buy on Android device for 99 cents get one free for your remaining lines on your family plan and he is upset that the game isn't running properly. Nobody is looking at the current gen, or even last gen flagship devices and saying the apps are not running on them. The exception to this might be tegra zone, though it is made pretty clear which devices support tegra zone content.

In many ways we can compare this to buying a computer. If you buy a $300 tower, you probably aren't going to be doing any gaming on it (unless you consider facebook games gaming). Apple makes it easy with the idevices. If they are currently on the market, your games will work just fine. In that sense, there isn't really much know-how or knowledge involved. This is likely where we get the "it just works" mantra.

While for the most part you're probably right, I've seen some very notable exceptions. The first search I tried was Real Racing 2, and apparently it doesn't work on the Samsung Galaxy S 2, or the Nexus:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ea.game.realracing2_row

That is not a cherry-picked example, it's literally the first one I tried. At one point it wasn't working on the Note either. I know someone who have the Rezound, and they had to root in order to install some big name game he wanted, might have been GTA, I don't remember.

Games are one thing, but why are apps like HBO Go and Spotify having trouble?

 

[Jb07]

Superior phone? I don't think so. It's running Android, so you know it will most likely never receive an update and will be replaced by the next Android (Samsung Galaxy S III, anyone?) within a month.

This argument is so old and worn out. Samsung upgrades the Galaxy line once a year and Motorola updates the Droid line about every 9-12 months. Can you come up with something new?

 

[UCLAKoolman]

Honestly Apple can not expect to release one phone a year and compete.

Apple makes 75% of the mobile phone industry's total profits! They are doing just fine with a 1 device/year release cycle. Samsung's mobile branch is the only other smartphone manufacturer that seems to be scraping by. The others, including Motorolla and HTC, are just fighting for scraps at this point.

And OP, I get it. You love your Razr MAXXXXX or whatever its called. It's probably a decent device, though definitely NOT the best android device out there. I'd happily get a Galaxy S3, Nexus, HTC One X, or EVO over the MAXXXXXXX. If it works for you, that's great! What's the point of coming into an iPhone forum and stroking yourself so awkwardly in front of people who think your Gingerbread-running phone is a joke?

Why does it bother android users so much that people prefer iOS? I used to visit Macrumors quite a bit, but now each thread is filled with circlejerking android fanboys like the OP. Apparently the mods have no desire to maintain a pleasant community here.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkam...ver-of-the-market-lions-share-of-the-profits/
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/02/03/with-8-7-market-share-apple-has-75-of-cell-phone-profits/

 

[lordofthereef]

While for the most part you're probably right, I've seen some very notable exceptions. The first search I tried was Real Racing 2, and apparently it doesn't work on the Samsung Galaxy S 2, or the Nexus:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ea.game.realracing2_row

That is not a cherry-picked example, it's literally the first one I tried. At one point it wasn't working on the Note either. I know someone who have the Rezound, and they had to root in order to install some big name game he wanted, might have been GTA, I don't remember.

Games are one thing, but why are apps like HBO Go and Spotify having trouble?

When Android was first getting Netflix and Hulu support I remember both companies coming out and saying that it wouldn't be available on all devices due to licensing and piracy concerns. The issue may be similar to this, or it may not. I couldn't say.

Out of curiosity, you mentioned a game that didn't work on a certain device for one person. Is it like that for many people? Reason I ask is because the Apple appstore frequently has complaints such as "crashes on my 3GS... TERRIBLE I would give this negative stars if I could!!!" Is it crashing on every 3GS? Is it crashing for everyone?

 

[DodgeV83]

10 out of 200... look at that random list of stuff they showed. They are counting every language addition, every tiny change in every and update, as they always do. They showed us the major things. Everything else is going to be minor (or exclusive to the next gen iPhone, which would only solidify my point).

EDIT: I believe passbook is included as well. Missed that.

I am not sure where you are going with only 3 features not being available on iPhone 4. Aside from the "wonderful" facebook integration, the 4 didn't get diddly. Oh, well they got maps, with no spoken turn by turn. So they got maps which are just... different.

Hmm, you definitely have a point. We'll see what else they come up with, but I agree that the big stuff likely won't make it to the 4. That being said, I'm sure iPhone 4 users will be glad to get updated Mail, Safari, Phone, Passbook, Photostream, Facebook, and accessibility updates.

When you compare iOS 6 on the iPhone 4, to what it looked like when the iPhone 4 was released in June of 2010, as iOS 4.0 was just released, there have been some major improvements.

 

[lordofthereef]

When you compare iOS 6 on the iPhone 4, to what it looked like when the iPhone 4 was released in June of 2010, as iOS 4.0 was just released, there have been some major improvements.

I can certainly agree with this. Hell, iOS 5 was a HUGE improvement (in terms of added features) over iOS 4 for ALL devices. But if Apple goes the way they are seemingly going with iOS6 on all future iOS releases it seems like legacy updates will be more of an update in name alone and not features/functionality.

 

[DodgeV83]

When Android was first getting Netflix and Hulu support I remember both companies coming out and saying that it wouldn't be available on all devices due to licensing and piracy concerns. The issue may be similar to this, or it may not. I couldn't say.

Out of curiosity, you mentioned a game that didn't work on a certain device for one person. Is it like that for many people? Reason I ask is because the Apple appstore frequently has complaints such as "crashes on my 3GS... TERRIBLE I would give this negative stars if I could!!!" Is it crashing on every 3GS? Is it crashing for everyone?

I try not to make references to things like that. Usually I'm referring to store restrictions which prevent the app from being installed at all. If I see multiple people saying, "GTA 3 does not have audio on the HTC One", then find an XDA thread with a bunch of people confirming it, I'll count that as well.

 

[UCLAKoolman]

I can certainly agree with this. Hell, iOS 5 was a HUGE improvement (in terms of added features) over iOS 4 for ALL devices. But if Apple goes the way they are seemingly going with iOS6 on all future iOS releases it seems like legacy updates will be more of an update in name alone and not features/functionality.

Don't forget that when iOS 6.0 is released this fall, the iPhone 4 will be over two years old, and two generations behind the latest iPhone. The fact that the 3+ year old 3GS will still be supported is fantastic. Many Android phones, such as the Droid X2, are barely a year old and will never receive an official ice cream sandwich update. And as for Windows Phone, many rumors suggest that none of the current Mango devices will be updated to Apollo.

Sources:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Droid-X2-confirmed-to-not-receive-ICS_id28009
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade

 

[chakraj]

If I see multiple people saying, "GTA 3 does not have audio on the HTC One", then find an XDA thread with a bunch of people confirming it, I'll count that as well.

Its a good thing at least someone is keeping track, Im sure that will come in handy some day.