RAZR MAXX knocks iPhone out of first place on Verizon

[DodgeV83]

Linpack is not optimized for the dalvik virtual machine and is only a good benchmark for comparing android phones to other android phones. It is not a good comparison to other platforms. Pick another benchmark if you want accurate results.

If you're trying to compare CPU to CPU, then no, but that's not what we're comparing here. We are comparing the relative performance of the two phones. Based on my research of Linpack:

The LINPACK Benchmarks are a measure of a system’s floating point computing power. Introduced by Jack Dongarra, they measure how fast a computer solves a dense N by N system of linear equations Ax*=*b, which is a common task in engineering. The solution is obtained by Gaussian elimination with partial pivoting, with 2/3*N3*+*2*N2 floating point operations. The result is reported in Millions of FLoating-point Operations Per Second (MFLOP/s, sometimes simply called FLOPS).

http://www.greenecomputing.com/apps/linpack/

This is a common task, which is why MFLOPS are a commonly used measurement of computing power. Whenever you read about a new processor or super computer they will talk about the MFLOPS.

In short, even if your argument is that Android is holding the CPU back with its Dalvik Virtual Machine configuration, that does not negate the fact that the iPhone 4S has more MFLOPS available for its developers, resulting in better performance.

 

[Indy21]

Wow! I want atleast a 3300mah battery in my 6th gen iphone this fall!

The maxx battery is impressive.

 

[DodgeV83]

Seriously? LOL. Linpack is for ANDROID phones dude. Then you post some screenshots from who's phone? Yours? Nice try. I can run a speedtest on my phone, take a screen shot and then compare it to some random person's 4s speedtest and claim I win too. I want to see a test done by actual pros, you know, like the one I posted where the Maxx beat the 4s in all but the GL bench

You have not posted any CPU benchmarks. Do you have any technical arguments on why you believe the evidence I have posted is invalid?

 

[ChrisTX]

How many Razr MAxx's will Motorola sell to the customer compared to the amount of iPhone's Apple will sell to the customer this year? Don't say that it doesn't matter because isn't thsat the point of this thread in the first place? Don't let these stats fool you, the iPhone is still king of overall sales.

 

[Dbrown]

Google used to do the same thing back in the cupcake donut days when a phone wasn't capable of running something and I'm sure they still do.

No, they dont. There's no such thing as a "lite" version of AOSP. Unlike apple, google doesn't place artificial restrictions on hardware.

Secondly how does a missing feature compare to an entire missing OS. Android phones sometimes SHIP for the first time with an older OS then current and then never even get the new OS!?!? Like wtf.

So what? If someone wants a phone with the latest version of android, buy a nexus. Believe it or not, lots of people don't give a crap what version of android they're running as long as they can do all the basic stuff they expect from a smartphone.

 

[mbell1975]

How many Razr MAxx's will Motorola sell to the customer compared to the amount of iPhone's Apple will sell to the customer this year?

LOL what?

Motorola can only sell the Maxx for Verizon's network since thats all its on. Apple can sell iPhone's for THREE different networks. Of course Apple will sell more total iPhones than Motorola will sell Maxx's. Don't be absurd.

 

[DodgeV83]

So what? If someone wants a phone with the latest version of android, buy a nexus.

The Nexus being an option, does not negate his statement that:

Android phones sometimes SHIP for the first time with an older OS then current and then never even get the new OS!?!?

His post before that said:

Ok how about numbers. 100% of apple iPhones get the latest OS at the same time on the same release day. Less then 1% of android phones for sale get the latest release on release day. Less then 10% ever get it and it takes about 6 months to even get to 10%. How can you compare those 2 and call it the same thing.

Naming one phone that gets updates quicker than the rest, also do not negate his numbers.

 

[DodgeV83]

LOL what?

Motorola can only sell the Maxx for Verizon's network since thats all its on. Apple can sell iPhone's for THREE different networks. Of course Apple will sell more total iPhones than Motorola will sell Maxx's. Don't be absurd.

The iPhone has sold more on Verizon, than the Razr Maxx has sold on Verizon.

According to the hard official numbers, not analyst guesses (which this thread is based on), the iPhone sold more than all LTE devices combined on Verizon in Q1 2012.

Of all the devices that Verizon sold in the first quarter, 2.9 million were LTE-capable...Verizon also sold 3.2 million iPhones in Q1 2012.

http://www.phonedog.com/2012/04/19/verizon-shares-q1-2012-results-reports-734-000-subs-added/

Again, these analysts have been wrong many times in the past. Some are known for creating reports like this simply to create huge headlines and free publicity for their firm, only to be completely wrong when the official quarterly report comes in. This quarter isn't over yet, we're less than halfway through June.

 

[DakotaGuy]

The iPhone has sold more on Verizon, than the Razr Maxx has sold on Verizon.

According to the hard official numbers, not analyst guesses (which this thread is based on), the iPhone sold more than all LTE devices combined on Verizon in Q1 2012.


http://www.phonedog.com/2012/04/19/verizon-shares-q1-2012-results-reports-734-000-subs-added/

Again, these analysts have been wrong many times in the past. Some are known for creating reports like this simply to create huge headlines and free publicity for their firm, only to be completely wrong when the official quarterly report comes in. This quarter isn't over yet, we're less than halfway through June.

Your right we don't know this yet, but if it is true considering the numbers from 1st quarter then I'd say the MAXX has pulled off a pretty big upset. It wouldn't really surprise me either way. It is always a given that the iPhone will sell well no matter what, however the MAXX is a heck of a good device that fixes the biggest problem with LTE handsets and a lot of smartphones in general... Battery performance.

 

[dave420]

LOL what?

Motorola can only sell the Maxx for Verizon's network since thats all its on. Apple can sell iPhone's for THREE different networks. Of course Apple will sell more total iPhones than Motorola will sell Maxx's. Don't be absurd.

Why can't Motorla make the Maxx for other networks like AT&T? I'm sure many people would want it and it would sell well.

 

[ChrisTX]

LOL what?

Motorola can only sell the Maxx for Verizon's network since thats all its on. Apple can sell iPhone's for THREE different networks. Of course Apple will sell more total iPhones than Motorola will sell Maxx's. Don't be absurd.

I understand that the Sprint, and AT&T don't carry the device, but I wasn't aware that it was a US only release.

 

[DakotaGuy]

I wonder if the iPhones lack of 4G LTE isn't starting to hurt it a bit at least on Verizon. I work with a couple of guys who want to upgrade before June 28th to keep their old plans and unlimited data and they are going for the MAXX. They don't want the iPhone because they will be stuck on a 3G only device when we live in a strong LTE area.

I know we have debated back and forth whether people even want LTE phones, but I think as long as they have good battery life and live in an LTE area they do. Considering Verizon turns on more and more 4G LTE areas everyday I can see the iPhone becoming less attractive until Apple finally gets with the program and makes a phone that works with these networks.

 

[ChazUK]

All of this chatter over something an Analyst said may come back to bite some people on the arse.

I've seen too many Analysts churn out predictions that turned out to be completely untrue that I've learned to ignore news articles that pick up on them. I'd only ever accept sales figures from Verizon myself.

Still, the bickering must go on!

 

[aristobrat]

Is this true?

http://easternmorningherald.com/mot...-edges-iphone-on-verizon-sales-charts/128110/

If so that is a pretty rare occurrence.

It's happened every year that Verizon has sold the iPhone.

Seems to happen when an impressive Android device launches during the final months of the existing iPhone's cycle.

Last year, it was the HTC ThunderBolt.

ThunderBolt outsells iPhone 4 at Verizon

Be interesting to see if Android manufacturers continue to target that window!

 

[TG1]

I wonder if the iPhones lack of 4G LTE isn't starting to hurt it a bit at least on Verizon.

It did for me. With Verizon offering double the data for 4G LTE phones, it made little sense for me to go with the 4S over the Maxx. And with my town lit up with LTE, I didn't want to wait another year to use it. If nothing else, I locked in double the data for when/if I come back for an LTE iPhone.

 

[surma884]

wrong, see above. You want to talk about what phone Verizon pushes? I have seen the Smauel L. Jackson, Zooey and Malkovich Verizon 4s commercials so many times I want to puke. How many times have you seen a commercial for the Razr Maxx? Like never. iPhone fanboys don't realize the Maxx is the superior phone here. Larger display, much better build quality with is Kevlar backing, stainless steel sides and Gorilla Glass, much better battery, removable storage and 4G LTE. It was only a matter of time.

It has a Pentile screen. Aren't those not as good as regular RGB screens?

 

[TG1]

It has a Pentile screen. Aren't those not as good as regular RGB screens?

It is pentile. For my eyes, colors are a little more vibrant on the Super Amoled Advanced display of the Razr Maxx, but the retina display has a clear advantage (no pun intended) in sharpness and clarity. For a person who does a lot of reading on his phone, I much prefer the retina display.

 

[lordofthereef]

They're both cortex a9 cpu's so comparing clock speeds is completely relevant. And if you put the iPhone against the snapdragon s4 the iPhone gets trampled.

Load the same OS on both kits of hardware and we can talk. Until then, comparing simple clock speed numbers is still largely irrelevant. If I am running a hardware benchmark, I am not going to run a bench using OSX on one and Windows on another, even if the exact same hardware is being used. THat is an absolute silly thing to do, yet those are the comparisons being made. Not to mention the fact that we aren't even gauging real world use. A bunch of numbers means nothing. If the Android runs like complete crap in real world use (or vice versa) THAT is what matters. These benchmarks are nowhere close to giving us actual values that tell real world performance.

As a side note, there are some scores where the 3GS outperforms the 4 because of the huge resolution bump. The difference between the maxx's enormous display may (or may not) be enough to compensate for differences like this. Again why a simple benchmark doesn't tell the whole picture.

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Why can't Motorla make the Maxx for other networks like AT&T? I'm sure many people would want it and it would sell well.

Licensing.

 

[Technarchy]

Can we finally put this delusional fantasy to rest.

 

[JAT]

The iPhone 4S performs better in all CPU and GPU benchmarks shared between the two platforms.

False again...Scroll down halfway to Benchmarks.

BrowserMark and Sunspider are not CPU benchmarks, they are browser benchmarks. They test the performance of the browser.

Don't care.

Seriously?

 

[DodgeV83]

Seriously?

Lol, I try not to feed the trolls, let's not get him going again

 

[mbell1975]

Seriously?

His only proof were Linpack results from the Maxx and then screenshots from some random iPhone. Hardly an official test. I posted OFFICIAL results from real tests that had the Maxx beating the 4s. why don't you go find a test that proves otherwise

 

[DakotaGuy]

His only proof were Linpack results from the Maxx and then screenshots from some random iPhone. Hardly an official test. I posted OFFICIAL results from real tests that had the Maxx beating the 4s. why don't you go find a test that proves otherwise

I'm not sure about all these benchmarks, but I do know when my friend and I compare speeds from his iPhone 4S and my MAXX everything network dependent loads a LOT faster on my MAXX. My battery lasts longer and overall there just isn't much speed difference. I don't understand why some think the iPhone is so much better because it's not.

 

[DodgeV83]

His only proof were Linpack results from the Maxx and then screenshots from some random iPhone. Hardly an official test. I posted OFFICIAL results from real tests that had the Maxx beating the 4s. why don't you go find a test that proves otherwise

You have not posted any CPU benchmarks. Do you have any technical arguments on why you believe the evidence I have posted is invalid?

 

[marksman]

Umm, a quarter is THREE months, not one

Plus, I have seen Verizon's salesmen pushing the 4s in the store so many times its ridiculous. Verizon paid a TON to get 4.2 million iPhones, you bet your butt they want their money back off them. Not to mention all the posters for the iPhone everywhere in the store, not one for the Maxx.

No AT&T or Verizon sales person is pushing the iPhone to customers. That is not how these carrier sale stores work. iPhone's are never specially incentivized so sales people can always make more money steering people to some other phone at any given time.