RAZR MAXX knocks iPhone out of first place on Verizon

[lordofthereef]

Don't forget that when iOS 6.0 is released this fall, the iPhone 4 will be over two years old, and two generations behind the latest iPhone. The fact that the 3+ year old 3GS will still be supported is fantastic. Many Android phones, such as the Droid X2, are barely a year old and will never receive an official ice cream sandwich update. And as for Windows Phone, many rumors suggest that none of the current Mango devices will be updated to Apollo.

I haven't forgotten any of this. My point is, to what extent is this actually support? Calling something iOS6 minus 90% of iOS6's new features doesn't really make it iOS6. It seems almost pointless to even update (except for the few things I mentioned above) unless of course you just want to be able to say you are running the "latest software".

Android should take a cue from Apple. They need to go ahead and push some tiny update to gingerbread and just call it Ice Cream Sandwich, minus most of the features that make ICS better than GB. Then I can say I am running ICS with support from Google on my three year old Android device. Who cares that the features aren't there? It's the newest software!!!!!!

 

[chakraj]

They could do it like apple and just push the theme of ICS and call it ICS.

 

[DodgeV83]

I haven't forgotten any of this. My point is, to what extent is this actually support? Calling something iOS6 minus 90% of iOS6's new features doesn't really make it iOS6. It seems almost pointless to even update (except for the few things I mentioned above) unless of course you just want to be able to say you are running the "latest software".

Android should take a cue from Apple. They need to go ahead and push some tiny update to gingerbread and just call it Ice Cream Sandwich, minus most of the features that make ICS better than GB. Then I can say I am running ICS with support from Google on my three year old Android device. Who cares that the features aren't there? It's the newest software!!!!!!

There is no evidence to show the 3GS won't receive 90% of the 200 updates. If anything, there's strong evidence to the contrary.

Also, it's guaranteed that you won't be restricted from iOS 6 exclusive apps, as you'll be fully updated.

 

[lordofthereef]

There is no evidence to show the 3GS won't receive 90% of the 200 updates. If anything, there's strong evidence to the contrary.

Also, it's guaranteed that you won't be restricted from iOS 6 exclusive apps, as you'll be fully updated.

Again, that "200 updates" is just jargon that ALL of these companies use to get you excited. As I mentioned, I am willing to bet that every language they have added to siri is considered an updated feature. That's what, 20 "new features" in iOS6? The 3GS isn't getting any of those, we know that.

The fact of the matter is that we likely won't be seeing anything in iOS 6 that we haven't seen already, minus some new features for the new iPhone. The beta is out now... are we thinking that there are going to be a couple hundred features added to it on a later date? I think we would be dreaming to think that.

We won't know for certain until it launches. But it's a pretty safe bet based on previous iOS releases. The vast majority of everything is there in the beta, minus the features that are coming to the new phone.

As far as being restricted to iOS6 exclusive apps, I would suspect we won't see many of those, except those coming from Apple (to force you into an update). We already don't have many iOS5 exclusives as is. But, you are right. We will be able to use apps that arbitrarily require a higher version of iOS.

 

[DodgeV83]

Again, that "200 updates" is just jargon that ALL of these companies use to get you excited. As I mentioned, I am willing to bet that every language they have added to siri is considered an updated feature. That's what, 20 "new features" in iOS6? The 3GS isn't getting any of those, we know that.

The fact of the matter is that we likely won't be seeing anything in iOS 6 that we haven't seen already, minus some new features for the new iPhone. The beta is out now... are we thinking that there are going to be a couple hundred features added to it on a later date? I think we would be dreaming to think that.

We won't know for certain until it launches. But it's a pretty safe bet based on previous iOS releases. The vast majority of everything is there in the beta, minus the features that are coming to the new phone.

As far as being restricted to iOS6 exclusive apps, I would suspect we won't see many of those, except those coming from Apple (to force you into an update). We already don't have many iOS5 exclusives as is. But, you are right. We will be able to use apps that arbitrarily require a higher version of iOS.

The point isn't that the 200 new features are cool, the point isn't even that they are relevant, the point is that there is no evidence to show that the 3GS won't be getting 90% of them. On the contrary, of the 10 features shown so far, the 3GS has all but 3 of them, 2 of which (FaceTime and Siri) it never had anyway.

You can say, "It's not getting any of the cool updates", you can even say, "It is getting no updates that really matter", but you cannot say it isn't getting 90% of the updates.

 

[joshwithachance]

I have no idea how it did, because Motoblur is just hideous.

 

[lordofthereef]

The point isn't that the 200 new features are cool, the point isn't even that they are relevant, the point is that there is no evidence to show that the 3GS won't be getting 90% of them. On the contrary, of the 10 features shown so far, the 3GS has all but 3 of them, 2 of which (FaceTime and Siri) it never had anyway.

You can say, "It's not getting any of the cool updates", you can even say, "It is getting no updates that really matter", but you cannot say it isn't getting 90% of the updates.

My 90% was just a number thrown out there... I don't work at Apple. Of course I cannot say with absolute certainty what "features" it is getting. My point, from the beginning, is that Apple uses the term features very loosely. I am not talking about features that are cool. I am talking about things Apple is calling features that is going to make a difference in everyone's life.

If it makes you feel better, I will take back my 90% statement. This is obviously a sore spot with you, apologies.

I still stand by the fact that when you are removing features from a phone where there is no conceivable need for said features to be removed (referring to the iPhone 4) that certainly is a lackluster update. I don't think it is news to anyone that when people talk features they are talking about the tangible new things that one can do in a newer version of the OS that they couldn't do in a previous version, right?

Perhaps a good comparison here might be OSX Mountain Lion upgrade on an Intel Core i5/7 versus an Intel Core2 duo Mac. Can you imagine if Apple decide to not give Core2 duo based Macs certain huge features? What would the reaction be here?

A made the comparison to Android because that is effectively what they are doing. Google could probably push a handful of key features to Gingerbread, while leaving out the key "goodies" from ICS. It doesn't really make it a full blown update, in my opinion.

EDIT: This has become a discussion on iOS and its updates, which obviously is not where this thread should be. I would happy to continue the discussion elsewhere but don't want to continue derailing this specific thread, which is about the Razer Maxx and it surpassing sales of the 4S on VZW.

 

[dave420]

I can certainly agree with this. Hell, iOS 5 was a HUGE improvement (in terms of added features) over iOS 4 for ALL devices. But if Apple goes the way they are seemingly going with iOS6 on all future iOS releases it seems like legacy updates will be more of an update in name alone and not features/functionality.

I wouldn't discount the significance of the upgrades all the devices will be getting in iOS 6. Even some of the minor features sound like they would be helpful, but will be unavailable on the original iPad.

 

[mbell1975]

no amount of arguing will change the fact that the maxx is a supurb device and it out sold the 4s this quarter

 

[Apple...]

no amount of arguing will change the fact that the maxx is a supurb device and it out sold the 4s this quarter

On Verizon. Also note that the iPhone is due for an update.

 

[lordofthereef]

On Verizon. Also note that the iPhone is due for an update.

Being that it is unavailable elsewhere, this is basically a given...

 

[DakotaGuy]

And OP, I get it. You love your Razr MAXXXXX or whatever its called. It's probably a decent device, though definitely NOT the best android device out there. I'd happily get a Galaxy S3, Nexus, HTC One X, or EVO over the MAXXXXXXX. If it works for you, that's great! What's the point of coming into an iPhone forum and stroking yourself so awkwardly in front of people who think your Gingerbread-running phone is a joke?

Why does it bother android users so much that people prefer iOS? I used to visit Macrumors quite a bit, but now each thread is filled with circlejerking android fanboys like the OP. Apparently the mods have no desire to maintain a pleasant community here.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/chunkam...ver-of-the-market-lions-share-of-the-profits/
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2012/02/03/with-8-7-market-share-apple-has-75-of-cell-phone-profits/

If it's a joke how did it become the best selling phone Verizon offers? I only started this thread because it was reported that the RAZR MAXX is the best selling phone on Verizon this past quarter. That is a pretty big deal considering many pundits said it was game over for Motorola and Android in general when the Verizon iPhone launched. Sure it is running Gingerbread right now, but an update is close... Very close... and it's a very good update compared to the half warmed over iOS6 update that only certain devices will run or will run in it's full form. I own an iPad2 and half of the cool new stuff I can't even run. Why is that?

Profits are great, but Apple becoming richer and richer doesn't effect my pocketbook one bit. Motorola is now a subsidiary of Google so they aren't exactly poor. Buy whatever you want, but at least acknowledge that other companies other then Apple are capable of building great devices.

 

[blackhand1001]

This is another example of the media putting "iPhone" in their headline to get a few million hits, and add few thousand more dollars to their ad revenue. In what other industry would an analyst's claim be reported as truth?

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It's quite clear you made this thread as a subtle troll, with the words "is this true" to cover it up.

The Droid Razr Maxx has much lower performance than the iPhone 4S in every category besides battery and wireless radio, a direct result of the faster CPU/GPU and OS optimization.

The cpu in the razr maxx is faster than the iPhone 4's. It also trumps the iphone in battery life by more than double. The battery life really is that good and to a lot of people thats a very important factor in choosing a smartphone. Also the build quality is top notch. It feels high quality and it can take a drop much better than the iPhone.

 

[lordofthereef]

The cpu in the razr maxx is faster than the iPhone 4's. It also trumps the iphone in battery life by more than double. The battery life really is that good and to a lot of people thats a very important factor in choosing a smartphone. Also the build quality is top notch. It feels high quality and it can take a drop much better than the iPhone.

Comparing cpu clock speeds is so far from relevant anymore it's not even funny.

 

[blackhand1001]

Comparing cpu clock speeds is so far from relevant anymore it's not even funny.

They're both cortex a9 cpu's so comparing clock speeds is completely relevant. And if you put the iPhone against the snapdragon s4 the iPhone gets trampled.

 

[DeathChill]

Too lazy to read the entire thread but the entire thing comes from an ANALYST. They said the same thing about the Thunderbolt and then, surprise, it wasn't even close to true when the numbers were reported.

I'd wait for official numbers from Verizon's quarter before declaring victory either way.

 

[DodgeV83]

They're both cortex a9 cpu's so comparing clock speeds is completely relevant. And you put the iPhone against the snapdragon s4 the iPhone gets trampled.

The iPhone 4S has better performance than the Razr, this is not up for debate, as it's simply a comparison of numbers. The iPhone 4S beats the Razr in 100% of CPU benchmarks.

 

[DakotaGuy]

The iPhone 4S has better performance than the Razr, this is not up for debate, as it's simply a comparison of numbers. The iPhone 4S beats the Razr in 100% of CPU benchmarks.

I can promise the RAZR MAXX has MUCH better network and battery performance then the iPhone 4S. This is not up for debate.

Fact is we could go round and round all day and night. Both have strengths and weaknesses, but in the end they are both good devices.

 

[einmusiker]

I think the incredible iphone sales are the thing of the past after verizon kills unlimited data. 4G speeds and $80 for a gb of shared data? no thank you. I preordered the s3 and will probably get the 4g iphone when I can find one used on fleabay for about $200 (probably 2 years after it's release). No way I'm willingly giving up unlimited data

 

[mbell1975]

The iPhone 4S has better performance than the Razr, this is not up for debate, as it's simply a comparison of numbers. The iPhone 4S beats the Razr in 100% of CPU benchmarks.

Still waiting to see actual proof of this rather than you just saying so I already posted results from several benchmarks where the Razr Maxx beat the 4s.

 

[DodgeV83]

Still waiting to see actual proof of this rather than you just saying so I already posted results from several benchmarks where the Razr Maxx beat the 4s.

Razr Maxx

Single thread: 50
Multi thread: 82

iPhone 4S

Single thread

Multi thread

The iPhone 4S has better performance.

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I can promise the RAZR MAXX has MUCH better network and battery performance then the iPhone 4S. This is not up for debate.

Fact is we could go round and round all day and night. Both have strengths and weaknesses, but in the end they are both good devices.

I agree.

 

[blackhand1001]

Razr Maxx

Single thread: 50
Multi thread: 82

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iPhone 4S

Single thread

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Multi thread

Image

The iPhone 4S has better performance.

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I agree.

Linpack is not optimized for the dalvik virtual machine and is only a good benchmark for comparing android phones to other android phones. It is not a good comparison to other platforms. Pick another benchmark if you want accurate results.

 

[DodgeV83]

Too lazy to read the entire thread but the entire thing comes from an ANALYST. They said the same thing about the Thunderbolt and then, surprise, it wasn't even close to true when the numbers were reported.

I'd wait for official numbers from Verizon's quarter before declaring victory either way.

Precisely. I mentioned this earlier, this is another example of websites making sensationalist headlines for page hits. In what other industry would the claims of an analyst be reported as truth?

 

[mbell1975]

Razr Maxx

Single thread: 50
Multi thread: 82

Image

iPhone 4S

Single thread

Image

Multi thread

Image

The iPhone 4S has better performance.

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I agree.

Seriously? LOL. Linpack is for ANDROID phones dude. Then you post some screenshots from who's phone? Yours? Nice try. I can run a speedtest on my phone, take a screen shot and then compare it to some random person's 4s speedtest and claim I win too. I want to see a test done by actual pros, you know, like the one I posted where the Maxx beat the 4s in all but the GL bench

 

[DeathChill]

mbell1975 really confuses me. He originally joined as an Android troll, got banned, came back as an iPhone troll for a few weeks and is back to being an Android troll. Weird.