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iPhone 13 Pro Really bad photos with iPhone 13 Pro (+Max) Merged

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juanmaasecas

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I tried shooting raw with the lightroom app and with the camera app. Crazy difference, with the camera app you have all the stupid smart processing and you lose all detail, the lightroom app gives you a real raw with tons of more detail.

Edit: and the proraw file is 3x the size of the lightroom raw. Crazy.
 
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Nero Design said:
The way it seems to work these days is that Apple releases an iPhone each year but the camera in the iPhone does most of (if not all) of the decision making for you.
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Yes, that seems to be the summary indeed.
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Hence, until Apple address the issues, the only solution will be to use third party Apps to get the best results... like 'ProCam 8' and 'Halide Mk II'.
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I thought there was a free trial of FiLMiC FirstLight but it's now a paying app. No subscription, it seems. I'd like to try it out, though...
 
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FYI you can avoid over processing by shot with Live Photo ON and change the key frame after, the photo will be cropped but it won’t present the horrible sharpening.
Quick workaround but I keep hoping Apple will fix this behavior.
 
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Nero Design said:
There's now about three really popular 'Camera Apps' for your phone that tap into the image processor (with Apple's blessing, or so I hear)... and you can use these apps to capture RAW images from your iPhone rather than rely on the somewhat heavily processed images coming straight out of the Smartphone itself.
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Which apps are you referring to out of curiosity? I have ProCamera which I like and I assume you're including Halide in that. I just wondered which others are the most popular?
 
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I have a 13 Pro and I am really close to selling it, or maybe just seeing if it will blend, and getting something with a usable camera.

I understand what all the "pro photographers" are saying, that the new camera system is the best ever, but that you have to be skilled to get the best from it. My counter to that is that for the $1800NZD I paid, I should be able to get some sort of realistic photos out of the phone, which my Note 9 was more than capable of doing. Maybe not pro quality, but at least as good as a 5 year old iPhone 7 without needing to shoot in RAW and color grade in Lightroom.

I am loathe to pay more money on apps ($90 for Halide!!) just to get a functional camera. I have been using my Work iPhone 8 for pictures for now, and it is much better. I am willing to try one though, if anyone has any suggestions for a cheap one.

I've had so many other(non camera related) issues with this phone that it is really becoming a huge pain to even own the thing, like it has actually made my life worse since buying it. But the camera is the final straw for me.

Here, for example, is a picture of the Ultra-Rare red KTM 390 Adventure. This is not a color you will see offered on any KTM website or brochure, mostly because it is supposed to be Orange. Why the phone would edit it to look like this is beyond me. At the very least, natural looking colors should be possible. iPhones in the past always had natural looking photos. Maybe not always the highest quality, but natural.

Now they are like someone cranked the beauty filter up to 11 on a store-brand phone.
 

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VividHuman said:
I've been dealing with similar issues on an iPhone 13 and 13 Pro. Discovered this setting a few hours ago and turned it off. Seems like pictures are a bit clearer but will test it out completely over the next few days.
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This affect the lens correction (Only front camera | UltraWide) embedded on processed photos, it has nothing to do with quality unfortunately.
 
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thepiecesfit said:
Has anyone tried shooting with DNG using Lightroom Mobile? I’ve always found it the best in terms of Image Quality. And you can tweak NR, highlights, shadows etc to your liking. There is a PRO and HDR mode. The images retain their natural sensor grain and detail. It is also free.
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But you will have to export each photo to your gallery because it imports to your Lightroom "gallery" only, no?
 
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I don’t know if I’m imagining things but it seems like iOS 15.2 B2 isn’t over sharpening photos when viewing/zooming in now. I’ve been much more satisfied with my photos since I’ve updated to the latest beta.
 
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tknson said:
According to someone on Reddit they contacted an Apple Support Creative Media Team member who confirmed the HDR is now baked into the camera :(
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Does this mean that the iOS 15 camera problems will be present on any iPhone that updates to iOS 15?
 
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TL24 said:
I don’t know if I’m imagining things but it seems like iOS 15.2 B2 isn’t over sharpening photos when viewing/zooming in now. I’ve been much more satisfied with my photos since I’ve updated to the latest beta.
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Just did a few shots with my 13PM and I am seeing the same issues with B2.
When I take the photo it looks great but once you open it in the gallery (direct from Camera app) you see the same over-sharpening. Does a number on his fur.

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tknson said:
We can only speculate but probably only those with smarthdr4 or iPhone 13 series and up? I really hope they give the option to disable it back
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Yes. What we need is a 'M" mode were we camera geeks have complete control of all the settings. I may look at 12 pro offerings on swappa.
 
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dk001 said:
Just did a few shots with my 13PM and I am seeing the same issues with B2.
When I take the photo it looks great but once you open it in the gallery (direct from Camera app) you see the same over-sharpening. Does a number on his fur.

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Any luck shifting the live photo key frame? Hope they didn’t patch that!
 
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tknson

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dk001 said:
Interestingly if I shift the Key photo the sharpness appears to go away....
I'll have to play with that a bit.
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tknson said:
Hi all,

I've been researching this issue ever since getting my hands on my iPhone 13 Pro Max and comparing it with my 1st gen iPhone SE. I think the issue is the auto HDR being applied here which is forced when you shoot with the Stock Camera App (option to disable this has been removed in iOS 15 for iPhone 13 series).

I believe I have found a workaround for now that might prove this is a bug. If you take a Live Photo, the processing is applied only to the Main Key Frame. If you edit the image and choose a slightly shifted key frame, you will see that the processing does not apply to it. The main key frame is marked, and the processing will resume if you revert back to it, but so far this is my workaround to keep both the Live Photo feature with the desirable image output, as well as retain small JPG file sizes.

Hope that helps someone looking to shoot JPG only, like me.

Sample attached, shot on wide camera at 2.7/2.8x zoom to replicate the watercolour effect. Left side is the default photo, right side is with key frame shifted only.

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That’s what I found a couple of days ago as a workaround which made me think this was a bug, it does crop in a bit but they need to give us the option to remove the hdr!
 
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Also another problem is, even the normal wide camera shoots at 1/60s in situations where my old X shoots at 1/15s. Even if the sensor is bigger, it needs more noise reduction to compensate for the much higher ISO. Good thing people in low light will be less motion blurred, but if you want detailed quality pictures, it’s better to use a manual app and adjust…

Same for the zoom camera, and the OIs in that lens is not that good…
 
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