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babyexercise

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It’s not the issue people are talking about here. It’s the picture after the AI processing that looks unnatural in colors compared to what we perceive with our eyes. What you’re talking about is the feature introduced in iOS 13 I suppose.

That is what AI did to the photos, normal.
 

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Glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks the photos on these new phones are completely awful. The post processing makes the pictures look low quality and watercolor-like. Photos from my iPhone X look more natural to me. Hopefully this is indeed just a bug or software issue that can be fixed quickly. I can’t believe that this is the way that Apple intended photos to be viewed/taken.

Iphone X is the last phone before Apple applies a lot of AI to the photos, so it makes sense.
 

duck apple

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According to Apple and myself, yes it is. When ProRAW is used, your iPhone is now a mirrorless camera. ProRAW is awesome, ⋯⋯⋯
ProRAW won't be of much help in recovering over-exposed area or objects, and comparing with others, such as Google Pixel, iPhone Pro 13 way more frequently over exposes. The only way shooting light box of Starbucks logo at night with the wide lens is to manually decrease the exposure level by 2 or more EV.

And don’t joke me saying iPhone plus ProRAW is a mirrorless. My pocketable Canon G7X, with its 1” sensor and 100mm zoom, defeats my iPhone 13 Pro in 99% of scenarios I ever tested.
 

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It’s not the issue people are talking about here. It’s the picture after the AI processing that looks unnatural in colors compared to what we perceive with our eyes. What you’re talking about is the feature introduced in iOS 13 I suppose.
But generally people don’t want the most realistic to the scene they want the best possible photo. If you want the most realistic photo using night mode for example is a waste of time.
 

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But generally people don’t want the most realistic to the scene they want the best possible photo. If you want the most realistic photo using night mode for example is a waste of time.
Your argument makes no sense. People want photos that are not so overtly processed that they look fake. If people want realistic photos in the night time, they could just stare at a blank screen.
 
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But generally people don’t want the most realistic to the scene they want the best possible photo. If you want the most realistic photo using night mode for example is a waste of time.
Night. Which one do you choose? I tried to do it as realistic as it is possible with the photo app. Another is how iPhone 13pm think it is the best
 

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My pocketable Canon G7X, with its 1” sensor and 100mm zoom, defeats my iPhone 13 Pro in 99% of scenarios I ever tested.

I have a G7X and an iPhone 13 Pro (and 2 Canon true Mirrorless with a slew of lenses) and I agree with you. However the G7X is a camera, nothing more, and comparing it to a phone which does way more is not fair.
 
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ProRAW won't be of much help in recovering over-exposed area or objects, and comparing with others, such as Google Pixel, iPhone Pro 13 way more frequently over exposes. The only way shooting light box of Starbucks logo at night with the wide lens is to manually decrease the exposure level by 2 or more EV.

And don’t joke me saying iPhone plus ProRAW is a mirrorless. My pocketable Canon G7X, with its 1” sensor and 100mm zoom, defeats my iPhone 13 Pro in 99% of scenarios I ever tested.
Maybe when the G7X gives me the ability to play WoW on it I’ll stop joking:p
 

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Your argument makes no sense. People want photos that are not so overtly processed that they look fake. If people want realistic photos in the night time, they could just stare at a blank screen.

Look at the blind test result I posted, people just want unreal fake photos and iPhone is already too real and lose in that blind test.
 

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Look at the blind test result I posted, people just want unreal fake photos and iPhone is already too real and lose in that blind test.
I’m not one of those people and I’m pretty sure so are a lot of others. If I wanna get artistic with a picture I can edit it myself. Anywhere else I wanna save the memory without compromising its originality.
 
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I’m not one of those people and I’m pretty sure so are a lot of others. If I wanna get artistic with a picture I can edit it myself. Anywhere else I wanna save the memory without compromising its originality.
Apple does not want you to access the original photos and post it in Reddit saying it looks bad, so there is no real raw option.
 

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ProRAW won't be of much help in recovering over-exposed area or objects, and comparing with others, such as Google Pixel, iPhone Pro 13 way more frequently over exposes. The only way shooting light box of Starbucks logo at night with the wide lens is to manually decrease the exposure level by 2 or more EV.

And don’t joke me saying iPhone plus ProRAW is a mirrorless. My pocketable Canon G7X, with its 1” sensor and 100mm zoom, defeats my iPhone 13 Pro in 99% of scenarios I ever tested.
Yeah well if you don’t pay attention to the live histogram before taking a phot and the highlights go past 255 white, then yes raw can’t recover the highlights when processed.

….And you can’t compare a 1” sensor to the iPhone. I can compare my Sony A7RIII full frame 43mp sensor to your pocket camera. It will out perform your 1”
 

duck apple

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It looks to me like motion blur/camera shake on the second. Looks like it was shot at a lower shutter speed so it was brighter, but captured the motion. You can see that in the hand in particular.

EDIT: I suppose it could be the stabilizer, which shifts the sensor, or the motion is enough it can't handle it.
I don't think so.
Except blurry subject (his face and other objects at the nearby plane and yet we can't tell where the focus point gone to), the wall in the background was unnecessarily brighten up while the contrast on his face dumbed down.
 

duck apple

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Yeah well if you don’t pay attention to the live histogram before taking a phot and the highlights go past 255 white, then yes raw can’t recover the highlights when processed.

….And you can’t compare a 1” sensor to the iPhone. I can compare my Sony A7RIII full frame 43mp sensor to your pocket camera. It will out perform your 1”
It's somebody claimed iPhone shooting in ProRAW makes it a mirrorless. G7X happened to be the one of the best low end (and actually pocketable) mirrorless I have on hand and had done some competition test with my iPhone 13 Pro, oh, and my wife's 13 Pro Max.
 
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satanicinfiltration

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I switched from a Huawei P20 Pro to the new iPhone 13 Pro and it is a disaster. The camera is pants. It smart-edits all my photos right before my eyes and makes them worse. I also disabled the auto macro setting which was insanely annoying but now it will barely focus on a normal object in regular mode withouit switching TO macro.. even tho with the macro lens the photos look terrible. I am almost at the point i'm going to charge up my P20 PRO and keep that with me while i'm out shooting because my 13pro is so disappointing on so many levels. Attached is a photo of some pork belly, look at the spring onions and tell me they look real.. The photos look awful.

Also I noticed if you zoom in at all on the camera the photos look absolutely turd... it smart-corrects the background making it look like plastic.. Apple bragging this is their best camera ever, well, who decides this? Surely the customer should.
 

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I switched from a Huawei P20 Pro to the new iPhone 13 Pro and it is a disaster. The camera is pants. It smart-edits all my photos right before my eyes and makes them worse. I also disabled the auto macro setting which was insanely annoying but now it will barely focus on a normal object in regular mode withouit switching TO macro.. even tho with the macro lens the photos look terrible. I am almost at the point i'm going to charge up my P20 PRO and keep that with me while i'm out shooting because my 13pro is so disappointing on so many levels. Attached is a photo of some pork belly, look at the spring onions and tell me they look real.. The photos look awful.

Also I noticed if you zoom in at all on the camera the photos look absolutely turd... it smart-corrects the background making it look like plastic.. Apple bragging this is their best camera ever, well, who decides this? Surely the customer should.
Food is especially crappy on this phone. It's really disheartening.
What can we do about it? We're just complaining in a thread that nobody at Apple reads.

I'm trying to show my friends and family what an awful camera this is. I'm getting mixed reviews. It's really scary when I show them photos like the one you posted and they stand by the camera... This is an awful awful camera.

The rest of the phone is great so I'll keep it, but I lost all the enjoyment of phone photography that I had with my past 3 Pixels.
 

maybenotstig

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Call me crazy but I just updated to 15.2.1 this afternoon and the few photos I’ve shot since then look like a change for the better has been made… better detail, less sharpening, less oil paint.

Anyone else?
 

AlGardner

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Call me crazy but I just updated to 15.2.1 this afternoon and the few photos I’ve shot since then look like a change for the better has been made… better detail, less sharpening, less oil paint.

Anyone else?
Sometimes seems you’re right. But recently I’ve posted overprocessed evening photo with pink snow. So no. Not all photos.

This phone forced me to get back my gear. Now My Canon 5D markII is on, in case I want to take some pictures of my daughter at home, now I’m not taking my phone. No more. May be it’s for the best. But pictures remains in the camera for days or weeks until I’ll process them. That is not good, but better than crappy photos.
I was even trying to install 15.3 beta. Same ugly photos

It smart-edits all my photos right before my eyes and makes them worse.
Too bad. Like they are laughing at us, as photo uglify software works.
And before on other phones it was fine, when there was option to turn it off. Seems they just increased the level of this postproduction too much.
Some photos are definitely overprocessed with unsharp mask with big radius size (photoshop filter, giving white lines around dark objects, and stronger blacks and shadows)
 
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Hopefully, you are reporting this back to Apple by opening a case or through Apple Feedback. Apple does read this forum.
 
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