Hmm ... I'm going to chime in as well. I haven't said anything as I upgraded from 12 Pro Max to 13 Pro Max ... yea yea I know ... but I was trying to convince myself that the photos I took on the 13PM are superior to the 12PM, but I'm no longer going to ignore the fact that indeed they're not.
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Thing is I initially ignored the fact that side by side photos were slightly "less" on the 13PM and gave myself a bunch of excuses why that could be; maybe I had a smudge on the lens, maybe I moved the phone while taking a photo, etc. etc. ... I really ignored it, but now when I inspect some of the shots I took with the 12PM looking great and compare them with some recent shots from 13PM I can't stop focusing on the little things. Be it the 13PM photos are sometimes slightly darker, slightly more smudged in areas where they were not before - even though lighting seems similar if not the same. I do take time to take a photo, think of lighting, shadows, etc. etc ... but I am not by no means a professional, very far from it. Makes me wonder though if my untrained eyes can notice these things and make me think of these shots are of less quality (to me) when the advertised camera is supposed to be "better" - what do others experience.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It kinda sounds like this meat grinder Apple calls HDRx may be the culprit. HDR3 vs HDR4 accounting for the differences you observed, maybe.
The iPhone is a Mirrorless camera!!! Do you see a mirror in it? I can outshoot most people with my iPhone Because its a camera & one that I’m very good with.
They would not care since making even more fake photos mean better sales number.
So your thing is just to complain on an open forum and nothing else? You believe the worst so why bother with reporting it.
Mirrorless cameras are defined as interchangeable lens cameras. Sure, phone cameras are mirrorless, but it's not really the same as calling it a mirrorless.
I have not seen any examples from you of bad photos. But if you experience so bad photos they all look fake, it sounds like the device would need to be exchanged.
I know we shouldn’t have to do this but the solution really is using Halide. And then you’ve got apples camera app for night photos/ video.
My halide is setup so i get the proper raw file and the computational one and i’m finding the raw file with a touch of editing using the photos app comes out great
My halide is setup so i get the proper raw file and the computational one and i’m finding the raw file with a touch of editing using the photos app comes out great
I Know, I have posted multiple of them. But even if there is a inconsistency in the photos, I would not call them fake. They are processed bad, sometimes. And often comes out over sharpened.
Nope. Mirrorless cameras can be fixed lens, such as the Fuji X100V or the Leica Q2.
No professional would call an iPhone a mirrorless camera even though they have no mirror. Canon ELPH cameras (their low end) don't have a mirror either but no serious photographer would refer to them as "mirrorless" either. Here is the Canon webpage for an ELPH; the word "mirror" is not mentioned.
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/...as/slim-stylish-cameras/powershot-elph-360-hs
In fact, all low end cameras have no mirror but that does not make them "mirrorless" in photography parlance. The term "mirrorless" is generally reserved for higher end DSLR-like interchangeable lens cameras that do not use a mirror (in contrast to DSLRs which do) like the Canon M or R series or the Sony A7Rs.
https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/...as/slim-stylish-cameras/powershot-elph-360-hs
In fact, all low end cameras have no mirror but that does not make them "mirrorless" in photography parlance. The term "mirrorless" is generally reserved for higher end DSLR-like interchangeable lens cameras that do not use a mirror (in contrast to DSLRs which do) like the Canon M or R series or the Sony A7Rs.
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FWIW, the Fuji specifications for their X100V do not refer to the camera as "mirrorless" and the word "mirror" is not mentioned:
https://fujifilm-x.com/en-us/products/cameras/x100v/specifications/
The Leica Q2 is also the same; Leica does not describe it as a "mirrorless" camera:
https://leicacamerausa.com/leica-q2-black-anodized.html
In contrast the Canon R is listed as a mirrorless camera as it should:
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-r-full-frame-mirrorless-body
I got an iPhone 13 Pro a few months back and was shocked at the photos too. They all looked over sharpened and over saturated, with too much contrast. Everything looked like bad HDR, but unlike my previous phone (iPhone XS), my new phone wasn't saving two photos, and there was no toggle in the settings to turn off HDR. I seriously considered returning the phone, but my XS was all out of space, so I really needed the upgrade.
But I fixed it!
What worked for me was doing as follows. Settings > Photos > HDR (HIGH DYNAMIC RANGE) > View Full HDR > Off. It's a toggle that's on by default. Once I turned it off, my photos all looked much better, as I was used to.
Apparently, for the iPhone 13 series of phones, Apple doesn't let you choose to turn on/off HDR in the camera settings, and it doesn't display two images in your photo gallery. Instead, your phone will always take both, and you choose whether it displays the standard or the HDR version from the photos settings.
This applies to any photo you've taken with your iPhone 13 since you started using it. All the photos I took - which I thought turned out horrible and couldn't save - suddenly looked great.
It's still kinda troublesome if you might want HDR for some shots, but at least you have both.
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I do have a problem with the 3x photos, though. The iPhone 13 Pro will zoom, but it decides on its own whether it's using the telephoto lens or digitally cropping in on a wide photo.
The cropped images look pixelated and over sharpened, but it's difficult to tell which lens is being used from the live preview. The photo does state the camera used in the EXIF data, but it's usually clear enough from the image itself.
It's possible to frame things such that it'll trigger the telephoto camera, but it's very fickle and can snap back anytime. It's annoying, and I wish they'd add a toggle like they (kind of) did for macro photos.
But I fixed it!
What worked for me was doing as follows. Settings > Photos > HDR (HIGH DYNAMIC RANGE) > View Full HDR > Off. It's a toggle that's on by default. Once I turned it off, my photos all looked much better, as I was used to.
Apparently, for the iPhone 13 series of phones, Apple doesn't let you choose to turn on/off HDR in the camera settings, and it doesn't display two images in your photo gallery. Instead, your phone will always take both, and you choose whether it displays the standard or the HDR version from the photos settings.
This applies to any photo you've taken with your iPhone 13 since you started using it. All the photos I took - which I thought turned out horrible and couldn't save - suddenly looked great.
It's still kinda troublesome if you might want HDR for some shots, but at least you have both.
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I do have a problem with the 3x photos, though. The iPhone 13 Pro will zoom, but it decides on its own whether it's using the telephoto lens or digitally cropping in on a wide photo.
The cropped images look pixelated and over sharpened, but it's difficult to tell which lens is being used from the live preview. The photo does state the camera used in the EXIF data, but it's usually clear enough from the image itself.
It's possible to frame things such that it'll trigger the telephoto camera, but it's very fickle and can snap back anytime. It's annoying, and I wish they'd add a toggle like they (kind of) did for macro photos.
I’m not really sure this makes any difference other than viewing photos in the photo gallery. As in photos are shown as HDR or not.
If you turn it off, what photo is actually shared if you share to someone or backup it to a computer, if you mean two photos are saved?
What happens if you switch the toggle on/off and take two photos of same subject and transfer to computer? Is there any difference?
That does not fix anything, as discussed in another MacRumors thread the photos are still processed the same - on your own iPhone they look different, that's all that setting does, but to anyone else, photos posted online for instance, they see the HDR version. There is no true setting to turn HDR off on the iPhone 13 Pro.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/smart-hdr-missing-on-iphone-13-pro.2313150/page-2
I don't want this discussion to get off-topic, so I'll keep it brief. The distinguishing characteristic of a mirrorless camera is that there is no mirror to direct the image that passes through the lens to the viewfinder. Instead, the viewfinder reads the image directly from the sensor. In distinguishing this technology from a DSLR, it was more accurately called a MILC (mirrorless interchangeable lens camera). The Fuji X100V and the Leica Q2 don't have mirrors and the electronic viewfinder reads the image directly from the sensor. (The Fuji gives you the option to see use an optical viewfinder, but no mirror is involved.) If you read the dozens of reviews of these two cameras, the reviewer usually refers to them as mirrorless cameras. The marketing departments of Fuji and Leica probably don't use the term "mirrorless" because they want to avoid any assumption that you can change lenses on these two cameras.
As to the first sentence, every single digital camera in the world that is not a DSLR behaves that way, even the Canon ELPH I mentioned, and no one would call the ELPH a mirrorless camera (well, perhaps you).
As to the second sentence, the marketing departments of Fuji and Leica did not use the term "mirrorless" because they are not mirrorless cameras in photography parlance - look at mirrorless cameras at a big shop like B&H Photo and see what they display. But you can believe as you wish... ?♂️
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But iPhone has tons of AI in photos while true mirrorless does not, so it has better photo than real mirrorless sometimes, so call it mirrorless is acceptable.