iPad Pro Returned M4 day after

[jazz1]

Apple wants you to buy both the Mac and iPad separately and in the process, both product lines are stagnating. iPad without a desktop version of Chrome can’t ever be a computer replacement and the Mac without a touchscreen can’t be a consumption device like the iPad. People are voting with their wallets. In terms of revenue, both the iPad and Mac have stagnated. The Mac sees slight increase here and there but they’re both stuck in the mud. Seems like Apple is going to rethink this mess when it gets a new CEO.

I did buy the the M4 13” iPad Pro. I was thinking about saving money and going with a MacBook Air, and just keeping my M1 iPad Pro. But the MacBook Air doesn’t have the new M4 iPad Pro’s new screen, nor does it have Cellular service. Nor of course no M4 on the chip (should that ever payoff)

 

[gusping]

I hear ya. I’ve been a Mac guy for years but bought a nice gaming rig with a gtx 4090 and it screams. My m3max 40 core gpu takes 20 secs in Lightroom to denoise a 50 mp image which is considered fast. takes 5 seconds on the pc. Now with the 13” ipad I wish I had not purchased the exp m3max.

Snap. 7800X3D and 4090. 5090 has my name on it too.... Another reason to not get an iPad. I can put that £1,300 to better use. I think i'll be able to use my 2018 12.9in iPP for another 18 months fairly easily. Not sure an M5 version will be out by then though. Mhmmm....

 

[fw85]

Yes nobody. I’m a MF expert level and you can’t compare to me. I canvas every detail for many years.

Tablets are held in the hands. The hands are resting on the display. A desktop OS makes tablets warm and annoying to use. They are bad for your eyes and they are not efficient with resources like memory. Everyone with two brain cells and two eyes knows this. There are literally thousands of complaints of Surface tablet heat and Cintiq all in one tablet heat.

So just chill and stop having mad fantasies about desktop OS on iPad. It is actually macOS that should become as efficient as iPadOS, not iPadOS that becomes as inefficient and crusty as macOS.

I mean, anyone wishing to see macOS on an iPad can go right ahead and try to remote into a Mac system from an iPad. That's it, that's the experience, minus the heat in your hands even. Have fun.

Except, you wouldn't have fun, you'd be miserable. And very quick to understand why there is a clear distinction between a touch-first OS and a mouse-first OS.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that one day, Apple merges its OSes into one that can do it all and dynamically adapt to any form factor, they got a solid H/W foundation to try that. Even then, I'd wager that it would lean more towards 'mobile' instead of 'desktop', as that seems to be the trend.

But today is not that day and slapping macOS onto an iPad would be an outright terrible idea.

 

[jbachandouris]

I ended up returning mine as I hadn’t owned one in over a year so I forgot how little I used it. Solid device though. iPad iOS 17 needs work though.

 

[Crow_Servo]

I agree iPad doesn't need MacOS, but I can also see the desire for it to do just about everything a Mac can do, considering its specs. I’d be happy with it being able to run the same apps as a Mac, and I look forward to the continued improvement of iPadOS.

I don’t want to get over-hyped for WWDC, but Apple did say they have a lot in store for iPadOS, if I’m not mistaken. We’ll see what that actually means pretty soon.

The inclusion of M1 in the 2021 iPad Pro is what truly convinced a lot folks that Macs and iPads were going to almost merge. Apple doesn’t seem to want to go that far, but the M chip inclusion in the iPad Air and iPad Pro definitely starts to blur the line between the product categories.

The Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro and Air also gives one the illusion that the iPad is a computer replacement (or a supplement, according to Apple). But one must understand the current OS and app limitations of the iPad to avoid so much frustration. It does a lot, but it can’t do everything…yet.

 

[fw85]

I agree iPad doesn't need MacOS, but I can also see the desire for it to do just about everything a Mac can do, considering its specs. I’d be happy with it being able to run the same apps as a Mac, and I look forward to the continued improvement of iPadOS.

I don’t want to get over-hyped for WWDC, but Apple did say they have a lot in store for iPadOS, if I’m not mistaken. We’ll see what that actually means pretty soon.

The inclusion of M1 in the 2021 iPad Pro is what truly convinced a lot folks that Macs and iPads were going to almost merge. Apple doesn’t seem to want to go that far, but the M chip inclusion in the iPad Air and iPad Pro definitely starts to blur the line between the product categories.

The Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro and Air also gives one the illusion that the iPad is a computer replacement (or a supplement, according to Apple). But one must understand the current OS and app limitations of the iPad to avoid so much frustration. It does a lot, but it can’t do everything…yet.

The intent does seem to be that iPadOS sits somewhere between iOS and macOS in capabilties and serves as a sort of touch-first hybrid between them.
And that idea is generally OK, I would say. With M-series chips under the hood, I think we can agree that it would be silly to expect it to just remain a simple tablet for content consumption.
It's the execution that is lacking at the moment.

The iPadOS needs to be easy-to-use enough, to remain practical and usable with your fingers alone - to remain a good tablet (which all of the 2-in-1 windows 'things' have failed at miserably). At the same time, iPadOS needs to house powerful features that allow professional workflows when needed, in as many areas as possible.

This is a very fine line to balance, requires quite a bit of work from both Apple and app developers and has the potential to produce an OS unlike anything we've seen before - but in my eyes, particularly Apple hasn't been dedicating enough development effort to truly make this a reality. They really need to step things up and make iPadOS into what it needs to become.

 

[Sheepish-Lord]

I don’t want to get over-hyped for WWDC, but Apple did say they have a lot in store for iPadOS, if I’m not mistaken. We’ll see what that actually means pretty soon.

Probably just going to be AI junk, they wouldn’t stop talking about it. If so it’s going to be unfortunate as I’m tired of Apple moving on when there’s still so much work to do on certain products especially the iPad.

 

[JaraCz]

Did you know that there is brightness setting?

 

[Coreymac84]

Apple wants you to buy both the Mac and iPad separately and in the process, both product lines are stagnating. iPad without a desktop version of Chrome can’t ever be a computer replacement and the Mac without a touchscreen can’t be a consumption device like the iPad. People are voting with their wallets. In terms of revenue, both the iPad and Mac have stagnated. The Mac sees slight increase here and there but they’re both stuck in the mud. Seems like Apple is going to rethink this mess when it gets a new CEO.

The Mac doesn't need to be touchscreen to be a consumption device. Is it more comfortable to not have an attached keyboard for doing some things? sure....but many people use their MacBooks for consumption otherwise. I don't think anyone is asking for a touchscreen on a Mac. People just want proper window multitasking and a normal file system on the iPad, you don't need full blown macOS for that. With the prices of these new iPad Pro's, I don't believe it would cannibalize MacBook Pro sales as people that need the extra ports will still have only one option. Would I have bought an iPad Pro instead of a MacBook Air as a secondary more portable device if that was the case? Probably... but my primary machine would still be a MBP.

 

[calikid78]

These iPads are a luxury item, most people should not be buying them in these fiscally tough times. You should only buy them if you are well off financially. I got mine today, pretty happy with it so far. Gave the M1 to my wife.

Was the entire point of your post to make sure that everyone here knows you are "well off financially" and that you can afford a "luxury item"? LOL. You literally preach to people about this purchase as if only the super wealthy can afford one in these, "fiscally tough times" and 2 sentences later brag about getting one. LOL. Dude, it's an iPad, who cares?

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

I mean, anyone wishing to see macOS on an iPad can go right ahead and try to remote into a Mac system from an iPad. That's it, that's the experience, minus the heat in your hands even. Have fun.

man speaking facts! They don’t do it because they don’t really believe in it. They just repeat internet garbage because they think it makes them sound like super advance tech influencers geniuses. The type of people who can’t get a toilet cleaning job at Apple.

 

[Rafterman]

man speaking facts! They don’t do it because they don’t really believe in it. They just repeat internet garbage because they think it makes them sound like super advance tech influencers geniuses. The type of people who can’t get a toilet cleaning job at Apple.

That's pretty arrogant of you. "I don't agree with you, therefore you are dumb and clean toilets." Wow.

 

[purplerainpurplerain]

That's pretty arrogant of you. "I don't agree with you, therefore you are dumb and clean toilets." Wow.

Sounds logical. Always seems to be the case.

 

[rb2112]

What type of psycho reads in the dark with light text on a black background? Do you just hate your eyes?

First I ever heard this take on it. Is this ^^ a serious comment? For years I have naturally felt it WAY easier on my eyes to have most of the screen dark with just the text light when reading in dark conditions. Until you made this comment, I assumed many others would feel the same as I. Maybe it depends on your personal eye sensitivity?

 

[okkibs]

lol 1000nits on the M4 doesn't make the M4 ipad usable in sunlight.

I am reading this in the morning sun with 1000 nits and it's usable. Turning the brightness down just a bit already makes it incredibly hard on my eyes. It should really be more but 1000 nits is the threshold where it's fine as long as there's some shade. Of course direct sunlight is a different beast but I wouldn't read a book in direct sunlight let alone a display. Way too bright even with sunglasses.

 

[DeepSix]

I would agree with this. The M2 Air is 90% of the Pro M4 but 60% of the cost. If I was getting a new ipad, this is what I would get.

 

[mtulman1]

Promotion equals 100% of the air if you asked me. Once you go pro, you can’t go back!

 

[pdoherty]

First I ever heard this take on it. Is this ^^ a serious comment? For years I have naturally felt it WAY easier on my eyes to have most of the screen dark with just the text light when reading in dark conditions. Until you made this comment, I assumed many others would feel the same as I. Maybe it depends on your personal eye sensitivity?

If you read my reply after that one you'd see I substantiated that "dark mode" reading is bad for your eyes. I wasn't just making things up.

 

[Kahnforever]

I agree iPad doesn't need MacOS, but I can also see the desire for it to do just about everything a Mac can do, considering its specs. I’d be happy with it being able to run the same apps as a Mac, and I look forward to the continued improvement of iPadOS.

I don’t want to get over-hyped for WWDC, but Apple did say they have a lot in store for iPadOS, if I’m not mistaken. We’ll see what that actually means pretty soon.

The inclusion of M1 in the 2021 iPad Pro is what truly convinced a lot folks that Macs and iPads were going to almost merge. Apple doesn’t seem to want to go that far, but the M chip inclusion in the iPad Air and iPad Pro definitely starts to blur the line between the product categories.

The Magic Keyboard for the iPad Pro and Air also gives one the illusion that the iPad is a computer replacement (or a supplement, according to Apple). But one must understand the current OS and app limitations of the iPad to avoid so much frustration. It does a lot, but it can’t do everything…yet.

You might be interested in this thread I started: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-an-ipad.2426906/?post=33150433#post-33150433

 

[rb2112]

If you read my reply after that one you'd see I substantiated that "dark mode" reading is bad for your eyes. I wasn't just making things up.

Maybe not making things up. Definitely exaggerating. "Is bad" is not the conclusion of the articles, rather "could be bad for some people, some of the time."

The articles have a lot of good info, from "may make it harder to focus on the screen" to "People who have myopia or astigmatism also may experience halation" I have both conditions but experience neither effects. Some people "may benefit from dimmed light mode." and "dark mode is just an effective way to provide more eye comfort when spending time on your electronic device" is what I personally have found to be true.

"Try it out and see if it makes a difference for you, personally." Which is what one of your linked articles suggests: Followed by "can make it harder to focus on the text and for some people cause a slightly blurry vision." Which is NOT what I personally experience.

Hopefully those who exaggerate or use words casually without regard to their actual meaning will be very understanding of when people misunderstand their meaning by taking what they say at face value. I would bet that NIH's estimate of actual "psychos" or the <1% of the population that experience psychotic episodes per year falls way, way under the % of people who read most comfortably in dark mode and have for years. In accordance with the articles you quoted. by the way thank you for that information.

 

[Dualica 01]

Yes, side to side with my previous IPad Pro I could see very little difference. My photos look the same, a tiny bit more saturated.

You don’t say which was your previous iPad. MY previous ipad is the 2018 iPad Pro 11inch and the difference to the M4 is HUGE!

 

[off3nc3]

I hear ya. I’ve been a Mac guy for years but bought a nice gaming rig with a gtx 4090 and it screams. My m3max 40 core gpu takes 20 secs in Lightroom to denoise a 50 mp image which is considered fast. takes 5 seconds on the pc. Now with the 13” ipad I wish I had not purchased the exp m3max.

the M3 Max 40 core runs at about 16 tflops, which is gtx 4070 range. So those times check out.

How can someone who owns an 4070/4090 make such a mistake of calling them GTX when the GTX branding has been discontinued and the nVIDIA lineup has been branded RTX since the 2000 series.

Redonkulous.

 

[Surfsalot]

11” getting returned tomorrow.

 

[sziehr]

11” getting returned tomorrow.

what was your finale reason to return it ?

I am trending towards that, as the display for TEXT is just not as sharp at the IPS i had, which sucks

 

[DeepSix]

what was your finale reason to return it ?

I am trending towards that, as the display for TEXT is just not as sharp at the IPS i had, which sucks

I’ve heard this too. Makes no sense and it would be a deal breaker for me as text sharpness would be a priority for me since my iPad is primarily a reading device. Have you tried exchanging your iPad in the hopes you got a bad copy?